Thread: Possibly the key to lucid dreaming?

Originally Posted by LucidFreedoM

research 'the secret'

it all has to do with the secret..everything in life

and this stems directly from the secret..trust me...watch the secret, and read the book, and it will CHANGE YOUR LIFE

I will say right now that I haven't read the secret, but I have seen a couple of reviews and the top 100 quotes from it. To put it simply, I am skeptical about it.

It is easy to draw connections within this video and the Law of Attraction that The Secret implies, although this video is more about using a different part of your brain and really focusing on tasks that you want to accomplish. At times, it does state things similar to the Law of Attraction (Example: Imagine a parking spot being there for you. Bam! It's there).

Although I pretty much agreed with the video series as a whole, the Law of Attraction is something that simply is not logical for me. Now, don't get me wrong. I do not, by any means, say that feeling good will not make your day good, which it will (to some extent), but according to the Law of Attraction, everything should be possible.

Consider this:

I have an enterance exam for a tough university to get into. I have not studied.

Will I ace the exam by just "feeling good"? Sounds a little unlikely to me.

Just my two cents. I really want to know what it is that makes people believe in the law of attraction (which really isn't even a law in this context).

There is no plainer way to say it, The Law of Attraction is complete pseudo-scientific nonsense.

Here is the premise of the Secret, as well as other systems that use the principle of the law of attraction. You can call it whatever you like, positive affirmations, the power of positive thinking, Bernie Siegal’s Love, Medicine and Miracles, Deepak Chopra, and on and on.

Put on your thigh high wader boots, and cover your ears, the bullshit meter is about to sound off loud and long:

Thoughts have an energy that attracts like energy (sometimes borrowed from Quantum Mechanics, minus any evidence). You must control this energy by practicing four things:

Know what you want.
Ask the universe for it.
Feel and behave as if the object of your desire is already with you, or is on its way to you.
Be open to receiving it.

Of course, if you think negative thoughts, the universe will manifest those negative thoughts in your life as well. So you must think positively at all times so that the universe will manifest all of your desires.

Before the Secret was around, there were plenty of other similar methods of thinking – positive affirmations and the like. As I’ve mentioned before, even though I was an agnostic in my late 20′s and early 30′s, I was very spiritual. I believed this bullshit 150%. I’d read books, learned from “gurus”, had a few college teachers, doctors and nurses suggest these techniques, and even had success with it. I taught others how to manifest their dreams, too. In a way it was the core belief of my spirituality.

When I fully embraced the fact that there is no god about 9 years ago, and acknowledged that there is no evidence of a benevelent creator or universal force that watches out for me, I still didn’t quite give up the positive affirmations. They had seemed to work in big ways in my life. But they started really messing with my head, too. And this is where I realized that they can be quite dangerous.

If you believe you have control over events and objects in your life based solely on your thoughts, you feel you are much more in control than what reality supports. While I believe we all must be responsible for our actions, thinking like this goes grievously too far.

Examples:

I developed this fear that my thoughts controlled my husband’s success or failure at driving to and from work. If I had a worry based on the weather conditions that he might have an accident, I would panic and had to tell him to drive carefully, and I had to think only positive thoughts while he was on the road. This became an obsession in which I had to tell him to drive carefully before leaving or he would crash. It didn’t have anything to do with his driving skill, the safety of our well-maintained car, or anything else. It was all down to my thoughts. The problem is, the more I tried to avoid thinking about accidents the more they filled my mind. If he did have an accident it would have been my fault entirely. It wouldn’t have anything to do with the stupid deer that stand in the road, the patch of black ice, or the idiot that stopped dead at a green light because he was texting his girlfriend.

This then led to other obsessive thoughts that seemed to be incredibly important for our happiness and safety. Innocent random thoughts became terribly important. Mild concerns harbored doom if they weren’t countered with positive thoughts. A mild and common worry about leaving the coffee pot on would lead to thinking of the house burning down, a brief worry that would turn into a horrid panic. I had just sealed my fate by having that flash in my mind. It doesn’t help that my mind is graphic and vivid in technicolored detail for such things. That only led me to believe I actually had power over such events.

Sure, I do have some power. I can remind my husband to check the brakes or replace the tires on the car. I can make sure I don’t leave appliances on that could overheat if left alone for a long time. But I do those things anyway, just like the rest of us. And sure, mistakes happen, which can lead to accidents and misfortunes.

But the idea that your thoughts alone are so powerful as to change physics, to affect physical objects and the will of other people is crazy. You use your thoughts to make decisions on what to say or what action to take. Nothing more. I’m happily surprised I didn’t start wearing a tinfoil hat to keep those pesky negative thoughts inside my skull.

tinfoil hat

A lot of people use this belief system to try to gain wealth and money. Of course I did it too. This is where it seemed that I had the most success. But like everyone else, I would cherry pick the results of all the thousands of times I controlled my thoughts and forced myself to repeat positive affirmations over and over to just those few that were amazingly, positively successful. That’s anecdotal evidence, my friends. It isn’t scientific. It isn’t reality.

Of course I felt I had full power over our finances, just by my thoughts. When I write that and read it, I see how insane it is. Our financial successes and setbacks had nothing to do with the economy, the job market, my husband working 2 jobs at one point, the housing market or anything else? No, it was all due to my thoughts. Yes, that’s crazy, I know.

Once I realized how far I’d gone with crazy thinking, I forced myself to do a test. For a week, I didn’t tell my husband to drive carefully when he left for work. If I had worries and negative thoughts, I tried to rationally remind myself that they were simply that: irrational worries. I didn’t force myself to repeat positive affirmations. And you know what? He didn’t get in an accident. I tried different mind experiments after that, every one unscientifically confirming that my thoughts were staying in my head and simply causing stress and worry. Nothing more.

Here’s another angle. If you get cancer, it’s your fault for being afraid of cancer and worrying about it. If you are a woman and you get mugged and raped, you were afraid of being attacked and you attracted it to you. Again, your fault. That’s the way that screwed up belief system works. Blame the victim because it strengthens the flawed and unproven system as “effective”.

But it’s completely unscientific and downright cruel to tell a cancer victim, a child with leukemia, or a rape victim that they did this to themselves just through negative thinking when there is absolutely no evidence to such bogus claims.

I used my personal examples to explain this insidious system of false belief, hoping you could learn from my errors. Even an intelligent nonbeliever can fall into the trap of the law of attraction. In fact, the reason I am writing this is because I hear people say “what you think about is what you attract to yourself” or some variation thereof, even within the atheist community.

It leads me to understand that not all atheists are critical thinkers or skeptics. But in this case, it’s a good idea to examine the evidence (NONE) for our thoughts controlling objects both near and far, physics, and the actions of others. Seems silly when you think about it. Your thoughts are in your head. So don’t fall into the same trap that I got stuck in. Think for yourself. You’ll be glad you did.

Originally Posted by Clairvoyance

I will say right now that I haven't read the secret, but I have seen a couple of reviews and the top 100 quotes from it. To put it simply, I am skeptical about it.

It is easy to draw connections within this video and the Law of Attraction that The Secret implies, although this video is more about using a different part of your brain and really focusing on tasks that you want to accomplish. At times, it does state things similar to the Law of Attraction (Example: Imagine a parking spot being there for you. Bam! It's there).

Although I pretty much agreed with the video series as a whole, the Law of Attraction is something that simply is not logical for me. Now, don't get me wrong. I do not, by any means, say that feeling good will not make your day good, which it will (to some extent), but according to the Law of Attraction, everything should be possible.

Consider this:

I have an enterance exam for a tough university to get into. I have not studied.

Will I ace the exam by just "feeling good"? Sounds a little unlikely to me.

Just my two cents. I really want to know what it is that makes people believe in the law of attraction (which really isn't even a law in this context).

haha, HAHAHAH, oh man-o-man. I got the perfect example that didn't happen too many days ago. I had to take STAR testing about 2 weeks ago. I had to sit in the room with other kids bubbling in answers and whatnot. I was almost done, I was at the last section. The MATH section. I looked through the problems and realized; I barely know any of this math... My teacher said that if I didn't get at least more than 90 percent of the problems right then I would have to redo the test in 2 days. I was a little worried but I was fiercely determined to get the answers right even though I barely knew them at all, because if I didn't I would have to do redo this, which would take FOREVER. I sat there stumped on almost all of them. SO, I guessed. 2 days passed and I didn't get a call. I met my teacher again and he seemed to not mention it at all and seemed content at how I was doing.

Also to doodle313, this doesn't really work on "thoughts". It's more like a "knowing" thing. Infact, the best way to use this technique that I have posted is by shutting off your thoughts and isolating that intent in doing what you want to do. I don't think I got 176 lucids because I was lucky. It was because I set my intent, KNOWING that I WILL lucid dream. Not thinking I will lucid dream, it's fucking KNOWING.

My teacher I just mentioned is a very spiritual kind of person, not in the sense of religion, but more in the path of knowledge that is outside the boundaries of the physical plane. He told me of a story that is pretty awesome. He was with these group of people that teach in this realm of knowledge. They showed him something amazing, what they did was lie him down on the floor and put a thick wooden board on the ground next to him propped up under his arm. They told him to relax and clear his thoughts. One person holds his arm up over the board. They told him to know that the board is not really there. After a long while of relaxing something in his mind clicked. He told them and they dropped his arm. It went straight through the board without even touching it and the board blasted apart. This is exactly what I'm talking about.

Originally Posted by Doodle313

There is no plainer way to say it, The Law of Attraction is complete pseudo-scientific nonsense.

I know what Clairvoyance and Doodle are thinking, we can't just control the laws of nature with our mind. You're missing the point. If you have a goal, rather than using your conscious brain, if you set your intent and know you will do it properly, it goes into your much more powerful subconscious or even superconscious. Your subconscious will pick out the smallest details that would normally pass right by you without you knowing, and ensure that your goal is successful.

Haha. My whole life is full of dealing with sceptics.

Clairvoyance, Doddle, I will say something to you and it will BLOW YOUR MIND. It will answer all your quetions. If you make post that long, it means you still believe, but you need encouragament.

What does LOA (or however you call it) ask?
IT ASKS YOU TO FEEL GOOD!!!! You don't have to believe in it, all you have to do is enjoy your life. You don't have to concentrate on one thing to attract it, just feel good and your subcounscious will attract what you want. What is the POINT of being sceptic, if all you have to do is feel good?

you didn't bother reading till the end ...
oh well.

Originally Posted by SilverBullet

haha, HAHAHAH, oh man-o-man. I got the perfect example that didn't happen too many days ago. I had to take STAR testing about 2 weeks ago. I had to sit in the room with other kids bubbling in answers and whatnot. I was almost done, I was at the last section. The MATH section. I looked through the problems and realized; I barely know any of this math... My teacher said that if I didn't get at least more than 90 percent of the problems right then I would have to redo the test in 2 days. I was a little worried but I was fiercely determined to get the answers right even though I barely knew them at all, because if I didn't I would have to do redo this, which would take FOREVER. I sat there stumped on almost all of them. SO, I guessed. 2 days passed and I didn't get a call. I met my teacher again and he seemed to not mention it at all and seemed content at how I was doing.

Also to doodle313, this doesn't really work on "thoughts". It's more like a "knowing" thing. Infact, the best way to use this technique that I have posted is by shutting off your thoughts and isolating that intent in doing what you want to do. I don't think I got 176 lucids because I was lucky. It was because I set my intent, KNOWING that I WILL lucid dream. Not thinking I will lucid dream, it's fucking KNOWING.

My teacher I just mentioned is a very spiritual kind of person, not in the sense of religion, but more in the path of knowledge that is outside the boundaries of the physical plane. He told me of a story that is pretty awesome. He was with these group of people that teach in this realm of knowledge. They showed him something amazing, what they did was lie him down on the floor and put a thick wooden board on the ground next to him propped up under his arm. They told him to relax and clear his thoughts. One person holds his arm up over the board. They told him to know that the board is not really there. After a long while of relaxing something in his mind clicked. He told them and they dropped his arm. It went straight through the board without even touching it and the board blasted apart. This is exactly what I'm talking about.

Proof or it didn't happen. Thoughts cannot change the laws of physics - fact. Whether you think it half-heartedly or know it deep within, it's impossible.

Originally Posted by Purebred

Haha. My whole life is full of dealing with sceptics.

Clairvoyance, Doddle, I will say something to you and it will BLOW YOUR MIND. It will answer all your quetions. If you make post that long, it means you still believe, but you need encouragament.

What does LOA (or however you call it) ask?
IT ASKS YOU TO FEEL GOOD!!!! You don't have to believe in it, all you have to do is enjoy your life. You don't have to concentrate on one thing to attract it, just feel good and your subcounscious will attract what you want. What is the POINT of being sceptic, if all you have to do is feel good?

The point of being skeptical is to find THE TRUTH, instead of delusionally thinking whatever you like.

Originally Posted by WhatIsX

Proof or it didn't happen. Thoughts cannot change the laws of physics - fact. Whether you think it half-heartedly or know it deep within, it's impossible.

Well, I'm not lying about my own story, I can assure you that. My teacher? Not 100% sure.
And that story about that test I posted, stuff like that always happens to me. It's pretty weird. Also if you truly want to find the truth in things you shouldn't go saying that something is impossible right off the bat. Listening to the majority of the world doesn't always lead to the truth. Did you know the majority of the world used to think that lucid dreaming wasn't even real in the first place.

The law of attraction has nothing to do with breaking the law of physics, is about changing your thoughts and by doing this your life changes because you see it from a different perspective. You can start seeing opportunities instead of absolute failures and this positive attitude can help you choosing between these opportunities. Let me explain it from the way I have experienced this. In the past I had negative thoughts about myself. I thought I was destined to be alone, that no one could truly love me, that I would have destroyed every human relationship, that I was destined to be unhappy. These ideas were so rooted in my belief system that I managed to lose all the friends I had. I had a terrible relationship with my family. When I fell in love with someone, all my relationships lasted few months and they were all incresingly difficult, problematic and made me suffer. Then after all this suffering I realised the reason why my life was going the way it was going. Even if I wasn't doing it consciously I was looking for the situations that could lead me to suffering, according to the mental image I created about myself that derived from those unhappy thoughts. Why? This is mad you may think. No one wants to be unhappy. I was attracting negative situations because believing I could have nothing but sadness I was unconsciously creating again and again the prerequisites to be miserable so the fault was MINE not my thoughts, and my thoughts were working at a subconscious level because I couldn't consciously change them. I thought I was my thougths. As long as you're identified with the voice in your head (your thoughts) you are not choosing anything, you are controlled by them. Something I can't deny though is instinct, inspiration, creativity or how you want to call it. This is something beyond thinking, beyond the mind, there's no way you can rationally explain it or describe it but this doesn't mean it doesn't exist. When I'm writing songs most of the melodies flash in my mind from nowhere when I have the clear intention to create music. They are not the result of a thinking process, many times I had them when talking to someone about the weather or lacing up my shoes. When I thought I couldn't go on writing no idea came in my mind, so I can't explain this but what I know is I can choose to follow these hints coming from nowhere or to discard them and somehow when I have a goal these coincidences happen on a constant basis. This doesn't mean they weren't there and that by thinking you brought them into being, just that if you are open and positive you are more likely to see them.
In any case I think the thread is deviating from the original message. We can discuss as long as we want about this subject applied to the physical world but the purpose of this all was about dreaming and I think it matches perfectly. Since lucid dreaming is not regulated by physical laws but only by the mind if you shape the mind to have lucid dreaming.... you will have lucid dreams because it ONLY depends on YOU.

My understanding is this:

Will feeling good and confident help me get more lucid dreams? Probably. There's no reason to doubt that.

Will it make me feel good about my life? Certainly.

Will it get me free parking spots, good marks on university exams I didn't study for, or billions of dollars? I don't think so. I just find that a little hard to believe.

I'm going to get some dog tags with one word on them and that should be perfect.

"Extractor."

I'm going to take a chance trying this today... i hope it can be my technique too, not much else works for me.

Wow, had an awesome lucid last night. I went to this restaurant and there was a bunch of other people there that knew it was a dream. They served food on these self heating pans that didn't need a power source. When I walked in there I could smell all the different food and hear the people talking. A man welcomed me and said that since this was my first time there, I had to help serve people for a little bit because everything was free of charge. He handed me one of those hot pans and I went around serving people until it was empty. I then went and got a plate and sat down, a waiter came up to me serving me fried rice with a bit of some kind of unidentified meat. I put a bunch of hot sauce on it. I started eating a little too quick cause the food was pretty hot xD. I blew on it a little and started eating. I was so amazed at how many different senses I was feeling at once, and so strongly. I could taste the food and the hot sauce made it pretty spicy. I sat there and ate looking around at what was going on for about an hour until I finished my food and I was full.
Right after that I woke up.

Originally Posted by SilverBullet

Wow, had an awesome lucid last night. I went to this restaurant and there was a bunch of other people there that knew it was a dream. They served food on these self heating pans that didn't need a power source. When I walked in there I could smell all the different food and hear the people talking. A man welcomed me and said that since this was my first time there, I had to help serve people for a little bit because everything was free of charge. He handed me one of those hot pans and I went around serving people until it was empty. I then went and got a plate and sat down, a waiter came up to me serving me fried rice with a bit of some kind of unidentified meat. I put a bunch of hot sauce on it. I started eating a little too quick cause the food was pretty hot xD. I blew on it a little and started eating. I was so amazed at how many different senses I was feeling at once, and so strongly. I could taste the food and the hot sauce made it pretty spicy. I sat there and ate looking around at what was going on for about an hour until I finished my food and I was full.
Right after that I woke up.

You are GOD. haha

Last night i tried this, o.o I did fully believe i would lucid dream, and i didnt really try that much, i just expected to become lucid, however, I didnt . . or maybe i did and i didnt remember, i kept waking up all the time. but i remember dreaming. idk.

When I started lucid dreaming, I was extremely determined to become lucid. I did not once doubt myself. It only took me 5 days to have my first lucid dream and from there on out I could lucid dream almost every night. People just said I was a natural, but that couldn't be further from the truth. I've managed to explain how to do this to friends who have managed to lucid dream in the same time span. I've also tried to help people who believe that they have some sort of reason as to why they can't lucid dream, and to this day they're still jealous of my ability to lucid dream whenever I want.

One notable quality that I found when believing in myself is that there were two levels of belief in my body. There was a conscious-thought belief, which feels like an idea. Then there is a deeper belief, which has strong emotional ties to it. Another way to explain it is you may believe in one thing, but deep down inside you, you know you believe in something else. That deep down belief is the true one your mind and body will make decisions based off of. You can tell which one is your true belief, because it brings out emotion in yourself. You will be very passionate about that belief, where the other beliefs are more or less just current desires. Think about it now; what are some beliefs that you have in your life? Which ones feel like a mental thought conjured up and you deciding how you want to believe, and which ones are unquestionable and draw emotion from you? Think about it for a second then look at your life and see how much of it is based off these true, deeper beliefs.

Now I'm not saying this is some magical power where if you believe in finding a million dollars on the ground that you will. But what these videos is getting at is that our subconscious is working for us and a lot of our actions go unprocessed by the conscious which are then left for the subconscious to process. How our subconscious decides to act on these inputs that aren't processed by the conscious are based off our beliefs. Our beliefs are basically a reference point for the autopilot that is our subconscious. If you strongly believe in being polite and treating people equally, when scenarios arise that require your interaction, you aren't going to process every little single detail for how you're going to react. Thoughts such as helping a friend clean up, saying please and thank you, offering a drink to guests, helping someone with yard work, etc. aren't all constantly held in a conscious thought. These ideas or opportunities to act pop into your conscious thought from the subconscious because your belief in being a good person was a reference for the subconscious, which then sent you a cue to inform you that such a situation has risen from the inputs it was processing based off your beliefs.

The fact that we then have the choice to act on a situation is our ability to shape our beliefs. This was the section of the video where he says "if an idea pops into your head, act on it immediately". What they mean is that your subconscious has prompted you for a response, sort of how your computer will prompt you when a file tries to install an update.

Lets say you feel lonely because all your friends have girlfriends except you and you're filled with self pity, believing you'll be alone forever. When interacting with others, maybe around some of your friend's girlfriend's friends, your subconscious may recognize the chance to interact and talk to them, but because you reinforced your belief that you'll be alone and were very emotional about it, your subconscious mind may skip the cue to your conscious that the opportunity to interact with them is there. Then lets say one day you're feeling great after working out lots and are feeling more confident. Your view on your dating situation has changed and you feel like you could get a girlfriend. You really believe in it because getting in shape really help reinforce it. This has effectively (re)programmed your subconscious; you changed a belief/view and are truly passionate about it. Consider a bar night later that week with the same group of friends. Your subconscious is processing all the inputs and recognizes a single girl you're interested in. Before, your subconscious was programmed to be evasive because you believed in being alone. But now that you have challenged that reference/belief, your subconscious needs your input. Instead of the normal 'stare at your feet and walk in the opposite direction' response, you decide to go up to the girl and talk to her. You have then told your subconscious "this is how to act in this situation", and being more social around females will become a reflex. Even if she says no or whatever excuse, if you hold it strong in your mind that your reaction was the correct one, being social will still become a reflex. This is where the video stated to never stop believing in your goals and that downturns happen for a reason to help you achieve your main goal.

Now what I'm really interested in is how lucid dreaming ties into all of this. Lucid dreaming feels real and can elicit strong emotions from a person. You are also freely interacting with your subconscious. I think lucid dreaming may hold the ability to be a more effective or a shortcut to programming your subconscious. It may be a more proactive approach to programming the subconscious. The normal person acts on the scenarios of life and this shapes their behavior, which would be reactive. One who recognizes how the subconscious works and how keeping goals in your mind programs the subconscious is more proactive, but still rely on the scenarios/opportunities to arise for them to act upon to truly set that belief into them. Someone who keeps goals in their mind to help start programming the subconscious, but who can also freely generate scenarios at will (lucid dreaming) and act upon them, could potentially program their subconscious more quickly.

Thoughts? And anyone who may have information on this idea contact me please.

Originally Posted by Rathez

When I started lucid dreaming, I was extremely determined to become lucid. I did not once doubt myself. It only took me 5 days to have my first lucid dream and from there on out I could lucid dream almost every night. People just said I was a natural, but that couldn't be further from the truth. I've managed to explain how to do this to friends who have managed to lucid dream in the same time span. I've also tried to help people who believe that they have some sort of reason as to why they can't lucid dream, and to this day they're still jealous of my ability to lucid dream whenever I want.

One notable quality that I found when believing in myself is that there were two levels of belief in my body. There was a conscious-thought belief, which feels like an idea. Then there is a deeper belief, which has strong emotional ties to it. Another way to explain it is you may believe in one thing, but deep down inside you, you know you believe in something else. That deep down belief is the true one your mind and body will make decisions based off of. You can tell which one is your true belief, because it brings out emotion in yourself. You will be very passionate about that belief, where the other beliefs are more or less just current desires. Think about it now; what are some beliefs that you have in your life? Which ones feel like a mental thought conjured up and you deciding how you want to believe, and which ones are unquestionable and draw emotion from you? Think about it for a second then look at your life and see how much of it is based off these true, deeper beliefs.

Now I'm not saying this is some magical power where if you believe in finding a million dollars on the ground that you will. But what these videos is getting at is that our subconscious is working for us and a lot of our actions go unprocessed by the conscious which are then left for the subconscious to process. How our subconscious decides to act on these inputs that aren't processed by the conscious are based off our beliefs. Our beliefs are basically a reference point for the autopilot that is our subconscious. If you strongly believe in being polite and treating people equally, when scenarios arise that require your interaction, you aren't going to process every little single detail for how you're going to react. Thoughts such as helping a friend clean up, saying please and thank you, offering a drink to guests, helping someone with yard work, etc. aren't all constantly held in a conscious thought. These ideas or opportunities to act pop into your conscious thought from the subconscious because your belief in being a good person was a reference for the subconscious, which then sent you a cue to inform you that such a situation has risen from the inputs it was processing based off your beliefs.

The fact that we then have the choice to act on a situation is our ability to shape our beliefs. This was the section of the video where he says "if an idea pops into your head, act on it immediately". What they mean is that your subconscious has prompted you for a response, sort of how your computer will prompt you when a file tries to install an update.

Lets say you feel lonely because all your friends have girlfriends except you and you're filled with self pity, believing you'll be alone forever. When interacting with others, maybe around some of your friend's girlfriend's friends, your subconscious may recognize the chance to interact and talk to them, but because you reinforced your belief that you'll be alone and were very emotional about it, your subconscious mind may skip the cue to your conscious that the opportunity to interact with them is there. Then lets say one day you're feeling great after working out lots and are feeling more confident. Your view on your dating situation has changed and you feel like you could get a girlfriend. You really believe in it because getting in shape really help reinforce it. This has effectively (re)programmed your subconscious; you changed a belief/view and are truly passionate about it. Consider a bar night later that week with the same group of friends. Your subconscious is processing all the inputs and recognizes a single girl you're interested in. Before, your subconscious was programmed to be evasive because you believed in being alone. But now that you have challenged that reference/belief, your subconscious needs your input. Instead of the normal 'stare at your feet and walk in the opposite direction' response, you decide to go up to the girl and talk to her. You have then told your subconscious "this is how to act in this situation", and being more social around females will become a reflex. Even if she says no or whatever excuse, if you hold it strong in your mind that your reaction was the correct one, being social will still become a reflex. This is where the video stated to never stop believing in your goals and that downturns happen for a reason to help you achieve your main goal.

Now what I'm really interested in is how lucid dreaming ties into all of this. Lucid dreaming feels real and can elicit strong emotions from a person. You are also freely interacting with your subconscious. I think lucid dreaming may hold the ability to be a more effective or a shortcut to programming your subconscious. It may be a more proactive approach to programming the subconscious. The normal person acts on the scenarios of life and this shapes their behavior, which would be reactive. One who recognizes how the subconscious works and how keeping goals in your mind programs the subconscious is more proactive, but still rely on the scenarios/opportunities to arise for them to act upon to truly set that belief into them. Someone who keeps goals in their mind to help start programming the subconscious, but who can also freely generate scenarios at will (lucid dreaming) and act upon them, could potentially program their subconscious more quickly.

Thoughts? And anyone who may have information on this idea contact me please.

Rathez: you have it all right. The idea you're putting forward that our emotional beliefs in our subconscious regulate our actions is absolutely correct. Simon Sinek: How great leaders inspire action | Video on TED.com
this ted talk relates quite well...
lucid dreaming and meditation being similar states of mind are both effective tools for reprogramming the subconscious... i've only had a couple lucid dreams, with no control however. both times my reality checks failed. they were DILDs... even though i feel emotionally that lucid dreaming is something i really wanna do, it doesnt seem to be fruitful. i need to meditate and remove mental blocks i think...

I agree with all you said Rathez. I thought too about using lucid dreaming to program the subconscious "from the inside". I think there's no better opportunity to get in contact with it because when you are lucid dreaming you are consciously immersed into the subconscious so, what I want to do is interacting with it directly, suggesting what I want it to do. To highten the chance of having lucid dreams I want to ask for a dream guide and ask him/her to be in all my dreams informing me I'm dreaming and to reality check. I want to use this for other stuff too and see the outcome. I think it could be even better than programming it while awake, from the "outside". I'm very excited about this

I agree that by doing this could make you feel better
but it still isn't going to change the world around you
also the world is limited to the laws of physics
not agreeing with or ignoring it isn't "Thinking outside the box"
if you don't agree with a scientific fact
it still doesn't change reality
Sorry for spelling mistakes and grammar
30+hr lack of sleep.

Well I tried this last night, and whilst it didn't work that time I know it will tonight or in the near future. Any tips for getting the balance of thinking about it enough to get it into my subconscious, but not focusing on it a lot when going to sleep, right?

Hey guys,

What you are discussing here used to be known as "Non Induction Technique". People stumble upon it just like they do with DEILD, which makes me think that it does have a solid foundation in reality.

It's great that you guys are experiencing it now and sharing your knowledge!

I practiced this technique in 2004, and there was even a tutorial here on dreamviews about it. I can't find it right now, even though it was around a few months ago. Here's one of the fre remaining links. http://www.dreamviews.com/f12/nonind...e-rules-27138/

The technique is indeed extremely effective. Back in August 2004 it was easier for me to count nights when I was NOT lucid. I ended up with something like 32 lucid dreams in a month by combining Non-inducting with DILD, dreamsigns and DEILD. When a LD ended, I simply reentered it with DEILD.


Now the hard part - to define this state of mind. I tried to re-create that mind set since then and failed. It is indeed something similar to Castaneda's Intent, and Castaneda's "The art of Dreaming" was my first lucid dreaming book.

I described this state as putting lucid dreaming completely out of one's mind, hence the "non - induction". The only thing that remained is a certain calm, subtle sense of confidence and certainty in success. It was "Matter of fact", "For granted", unquestionable, certain intent. Since there was no thinking about induction, there were no doubts arising to challenge that certainty!

After a few nights of success, the state simply reinforces itself - there's extra genuine confidence that it will happen.


At a risk of making a long post that may get skipped over:

We are never taught to recognize states of mind like the one that SilverBullet is explaining. They are personal experiences, as Rathez mentioned with strong emotional factors to them. And I do not mean sentimental emotions. For example intent. It is a 6 letter word, yet the emotion/state of mind behind the word is very deep. "I will park in that spot" is not the kind of intent that Castaneda was talking about.

I was reading a book not so long ago where the author had 25 lucid dreams the previous week. He isn't a natural, it took him many years to have lucid dreams regularly. He stopped writing in his dream journal for the next week and his lucid dream count had a sharp fall. He didn't neglect his dream journal activities after that. This made me think that lucid dreaming, at least for some, requires disciplined practice. The lucid dream I had this morning was very easily attained. I was in a building that I have been in many times in waking life but the layout of the building was completely different in the dream. I immediately noticed the peculiarity and knew that I was dreaming. If only noticing the peculiarity and absurdity of all my dreams was that easy. It can be I believe, and I am working with three methods to give me that power of discrimination. Intent is all well and good to discuss and absolutely fascinating. Carlos Casteneda's mentor, Juan Matus, describes intent in such a mysterious manner but I believe the solution to the problem lies in overcoming the resistance of our current belief systems that nail us to our dream worlds. For example I know from experience I can go to sleep forcefully convincing myself for an hour beforehand that I will have lots of lucid dreams that night and I have woken up with perhaps a dream fragment to put in my journal. I know that my failure has arisen not because of my intent but because my fundamental belief has been that my DILD's are irregular and have been for many years. How does one overcome this obstacle? Well I have been exploring two avenues - self-hypnosis and EFT. With regards to self hypnosis I have been using Dr. Robert Anthony's methods as they are very powerful. He has given a technique where a hypnotic trance state can be induced in literally less than two minutes but more importantly his unique instructions on how to address our subconscious minds with our intentions is priceless. With regards to EFT I have been working from Dr. Patricia Carrington's absolutely fantastic book on advanced EFT, 'How To Create Positive Choices In Energy Psychology'. I am, I believe, rapidly chipping away at removing the current beliefs that I have with regards to dream awareness and just as importantly replacing them with positive beliefs. This is not an easy task to overcome but with the expert advice from these two experts in their chosen fields I am noticing good progress to improve the regularity of my lucid dreams. The other method I am experimenting with has studiously been covered very well by Aquanina in the Beyond Dreaming forum using a natural intention amplifier. You can use crystals to encode and amplify your intentions. I am using a herkimer diamond and a regular quartz crystal. So far they have been hit and miss but the first attempt resulted in four automatically attained lucid dreams in the first hour of mostly N-REM sleep. I say automatically attained as in each dream it was blatantly obvious that I was dreaming.

SilverBullet
i really believe on what u say cus its real . and i will lucid dream tonight cus i know that i can and it will happen ;D.




thanks for videos and everthing.
karli

Damn, it's really hard to keep genuine intent and confidence going without results. I know it will work when I just let it come naturally, but it's really difficult to do.