Thread: 2 LD's every night for the past 6 nights...using this method

If you lie on your stomach won't your face be right in the pillow?

Sounds like a very good method. It gives me an idea. Thanks.

I tried sleeping on my stomach before, and it helped a lot with reaching the point of breathing slower quicker than lying on my back. I remember getting an LD doing it this way, but it was quite short. I'll try it out for a few days, since I always find myself lying on my back or side, and just remembering non-lucids.

Originally Posted by n00bf0rlyf3

If you lie on your stomach won't your face be right in the pillow?

You can always sleep with the side on the pillow, but that might cause neck problems. Maybe you can put a pillow under your chest and have the face resting on the mattress instead, and putting another pillow under your thighs or knees to prevent some potential back pain.

Nice! I've actually been meaning to try out something like this which another member mentioned. The difference is that when he does his routine, something random happens, which he did not visualize himself, and when he notices that happening, he lets it go on while still feeding the visualization and maintaining awareness in his routine. Soon enough, the dream totally forms and he reality checks to make sure. Ta-da!

Both of your techniques are great! Thanks for sharing.

Congrats! I have been saying for years at this forum that the reason visualization works to induce lucids is that we visualize and we dream in the same area of the human brain... the secondary visual cortices. This is not a theory but a scientific fact.

Originally Posted by faceonmars

Congrats! I have been saying for years at this forum that the reason visualization works to induce lucids is that we visualize and we dream in the same area of the human brain... the secondary visual cortices. This is not a theory but a scientific fact.

Active visualization is the only way I have been able to induce dreams in nREM. It is a shared portion of the brain, just like you say. That is also why I encourage everyone to develop their visualization skills while awake.

its ridiculous how easy it is

can you swallow or move your eyes while visualizing the routine ?

this position...;p

This is the same as Mancon's Simple Visualisation WILD technique. He says with practice that you can achieve a lucid within a few minutes, as shown here. I tried Mancon's method a few times without any unusual phenomena. Still, its good to see that for some folk it is easy to achieve. I like the door angle. I have tried having a WILD on several times with WBTB by imagining slowly walking down 100 steps with a door at the bottom of the stairwell. Every few steps I say that as I get closer to the bottom of the stairs my mind and body are increasingly getting closer to the perfect state to have a WILD. At the bottom I say that when the door opens there will be a dream scene on the other side which I will enter fully when I walk through the door. When I do open the door I experience sudden, very strong bodily vibrations and that's it. Perhaps an increase in the number of steps will help to deepen the trance state.

Originally Posted by Reza21

this position...;p

OH MY GOD

ROFL. Dat position.

Originally Posted by paigeyemps

OH MY GOD

ROFL. Dat position.

That's a photo btw :-)

Originally Posted by Reza21

3) During this routine I walk through a few doors - and the transition from visualization to my lucid dream always takes place when I walk through a door into the next room.

This seems important and has given me loads of things to think about

Originally Posted by mcwillis

This is the same as Mancon's Simple Visualisation WILD technique. He says with practice that you can achieve a lucid within a few minutes, as shown here. I tried Mancon's method a few times without any unusual phenomena. Still, its good to see that for some folk it is easy to achieve. I like the door angle. I have tried having a WILD on several times with WBTB by imagining slowly walking down 100 steps with a door at the bottom of the stairwell. Every few steps I say that as I get closer to the bottom of the stairs my mind and body are increasingly getting closer to the perfect state to have a WILD. At the bottom I say that when the door opens there will be a dream scene on the other side which I will enter fully when I walk through the door. When I do open the door I experience sudden, very strong bodily vibrations and that's it. Perhaps an increase in the number of steps will help to deepen the trance state.

I will have to give that a try. I use one where I climb a rope ladder until anything random happens, but adding a door or other goal to slowly get closer to sounds useful. Hmmm, got to try it. Thanks.

Originally Posted by sivason

I will have to give that a try. I use one where I climb a rope ladder until anything random happens, but adding a door or other goal to slowly get closer to sounds useful. Hmmm, got to try it. Thanks.

That's twice you've thanked me in a day, thanks man! It is one of my many little personal ideas I have experimented with. As I had no success with it I have kept it to myself but it would be interesting if you can do something with it

Originally Posted by Reza21

this position...;p

i LOVE sleeping in this position .... i always sleep like this

Reza21 Ive been pondering your method for days and it has given me a brillllllliant idea combing your technique, Mancon's technique and one of Nick Newport's techniques from his Lucidology 102 course.

Thanks, if it i wasn't for you I wouldn't have something to experiment with

Visualization does not have to be elaborate or difficult. You can use anything that easily comes to mind. I will normally use whatever memory or scenario happens to already be in my thoughts. It can be a memory from the day before, or something from the dream I just exited. I think the key is to really feel the visualization. Touch things, feel yourself moving, engage your environment. When it works, it is the smoothest transition. Like you said, you don't feel the wacky hypnagogia that can accompany WILD.

I usually use self hypnosis before going back to sleep and I've adapted it in a way similar to this. During the meditation part you walk down a stairs, as you reach the fifth step you must imagine there is water, as you move down you get more immersed. Usually by the end I expect to enter a dream if it doesn't happen I imagine swimming through the water until I see boxes, I open each one knowing that I will go further into the dream each time I open one. It actually works really well.

Hmm very interesting technique. Normally if I wake up early in the morning I would quickly chain another lucid through DEILD. The whole process takes no more than 30s, a minute tops but does take some mental discipline and practice to perfect. Your way seems very relaxed and easy. I'll give it a try.

Originally Posted by mcwillis

Reza21 Ive been pondering your method for days and it has given me a brillllllliant idea combing your technique, Mancon's technique and one of Nick Newport's techniques from his Lucidology 102 course.

Thanks, if it i wasn't for you I wouldn't have something to experiment with

are you going to share this brilliant idea?

Originally Posted by Reza21

are you going to share this brilliant idea?

I'll give it a test when I have the chance to get up and go back to bed. If I think it has any validity and usefulness I will slap it in the Induction Techniques sub-forum.

if you do this in the morning, how do you get 2 ld's per night?

I sort of did this this morning my own way. I don't know if I have the focus to do it every morning but yeah. It works.