Hi, I'm Zangetsu and I've been ghosting these forums for about a year now off and on. Finally decided to join so I could make this thread about trying Hukif's Gravity RC (if you don't know what that is, you should google it before reading on). |
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Hi, I'm Zangetsu and I've been ghosting these forums for about a year now off and on. Finally decided to join so I could make this thread about trying Hukif's Gravity RC (if you don't know what that is, you should google it before reading on). |
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Good luck man, and I read that it took a few months for Azul to start getting results. The Gravity RC, to me, is really an altered perspective of awareness. But of course you've already read up on that Im sure so you know what I mean. I will say though, it took me a month of practicing self awareness to start seeing results, so I can imagine since the Gravity RC is a type of awareness it should pull similar time. |
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"If we doubted our fears instead of doubting our dreams, imagine how much in life we'd accomplish." ~Joel Brown
"Your background and circumstances may have influenced who you are, but you are responsible for who you become." ~Darren Hardy
Goals:
-Become Lucid in every dream every night
-Perfect the time dilation watch
-Continue to have a dream plan for most of my lucid dreams
It does nothing in several weeks. Even for the king, it took him several months to get a lucid from it. |
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...and that's after 8 years of intense LD-training, while having dreams so vivid and realistic he couldn't otherwise tell them apart from waking. So if you have that as your starting point, yeah, maybe it'll only take 1-3 months... |
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Last edited by FryingMan; 08-23-2014 at 03:37 PM.
FryingMan's Unified Theory of Lucid Dreaming: Pay Attention, Reflect, Recall -- Both Day and Night[link]
FryingMan's Dream Recall Tips -- Awesome Links
“No amount of security is worth the suffering of a mediocre life chained to a routine that has killed your dreams.”
"...develop stability in awareness and your dreams will change in extraordinary ways" -- TYoDaS
Welcome to DV, Zangetsu! Great to have you here. |
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I don't have any illusions that I'll be daily LDing any time soon, but I'm still setting my goal at several weeks for the first result. Honestly if my goal was several months I'd probably get bored and quit. So maybe if I fall short I'll still keep at it with this goal. |
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I was reading on another site (which I found by googling Gravity RC) that Azul saw results after a month or so of practice. He said the practice was frustrating, but that the benefits now far surpassed the early frustration. Maybe it is possible for you to see results in 4-6 weeks as well? I've been paying more attention to the weight if my body now as well, though its by no means constant awareness. Maybe I will shoot for that 30% area hukif recommends elsewhere on the web |
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Yeah I think around 2 months is how long Hukif says it took him to get the first result. In mere mortal time that's approximately 2 years |
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"If we doubted our fears instead of doubting our dreams, imagine how much in life we'd accomplish." ~Joel Brown
"Your background and circumstances may have influenced who you are, but you are responsible for who you become." ~Darren Hardy
Goals:
-Become Lucid in every dream every night
-Perfect the time dilation watch
-Continue to have a dream plan for most of my lucid dreams
Nice! good luck with it and feel free to ask anything you may have doubts about. I'm not exactly the best writer out there, so I know just how confusing it can be to understand the thing. |
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Well in that case... |
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Good luck with this, I will say having prior LD knowledge and experiences will help out a bit. Don't get caught up with whether you're doing it "right or wrong" just do what feels natural to you. After while you'll find that you'll start to develop your own variation of Gravity RC. Since it's a different aspect of awareness it will take some to be learned, if you will. Side note: DO NOT USE LOGIC WHEN YOU RC! |
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DILD: 150 | DEILD: 8 | WILD: 20
Thanks for the advice! So this RC is more of an observation of your weight and the actual reality checking part is inherent to the process, right? I guess when you observe a strange gravity that should automatically clue you in that you're dreaming without having to think about it? I like the way that works! My least favorite part of traditional RCs is that you have to take the time to question everything in your head, so not thinking is fine with me |
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Just a quick aside: |
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As humans we use two things the most, our eyes and our hands so have you tried using your hands as a starting point for these no-touching times? But I would say more on how waking gravity is normal; the rest comes through instinct since it is "abnormal". |
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I know where they came from for me at least - from ETWOLD and Tholey's modified reflection-intention technique, where you do the RC, imagine everything is a dream and carrying out your goals. It did yield quick results for me, but was taxing my WL activities too much and killed my motivation (which led to my first drop off LDing), and also made me wonder about the nature of the LDs it produced as I felt I was dream incubating everything. |
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Last edited by dreambh; 08-27-2014 at 01:29 PM.
^^ I think there's nothing wrong with reflection/intention. In fact, I regard it very highly. It is closely related to the main day work of the Tibetan dream yogis, and the habits of natural/very frequent lucid dreamers who have a need to constantly evaluate their state (e.g., to determine if they're safe from nightmares). In fact, you could say that it currently forms my main day work, and I do it all throughout the day. My LD progress of late has skyrocketed, in large part I believe to my focus on mindfulness and all-through-the-day awareness ("ADA" has too much baggage as a short-hand, everyone takes it only to mean King Yoshi's precise approach). I think blaming reflection/intention for killing motivation should be a claim made cautiously. Maybe it truly is not for you based on your life particulars. But let me say that all-day type awareness activities take time to get used to. I started mine in November 2013 with ADA/RC-location, and have mostly kept it up since then -- while the target of my attention has shifted over time, I've maintained the day-long focus of maintaining a sense of my state. |
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FryingMan's Unified Theory of Lucid Dreaming: Pay Attention, Reflect, Recall -- Both Day and Night[link]
FryingMan's Dream Recall Tips -- Awesome Links
“No amount of security is worth the suffering of a mediocre life chained to a routine that has killed your dreams.”
"...develop stability in awareness and your dreams will change in extraordinary ways" -- TYoDaS
Actually I think I'm finally starting to understand what Hukif and Azul mean about not thinking with this RC. The goal is to constantly monitor your gravity, and that's all that's needed. You just keep a sense of "this is what my current gravity feels like" in your head all day. If something weird happens to your gravity, you will notice, and then you can begin to question reality and possibly perform other RCs if the change isn't drastic enough. I believe Hukif has actually said before (in another thread) that he doesn't really question "am I waking or dreaming according to my gravity?". He just knows that "normal gravity = waking" and "weird gravity = dream". |
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Sorry, probably I didn't express myself accurately enough. |
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Last edited by dreambh; 08-27-2014 at 07:17 PM.
Like I stated before, DO NOT use logic with this RC. Trust me I screwed myself when I did this, just get accustomed to waking like Gravity and you should be fine in the long run. |
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DILD: 150 | DEILD: 8 | WILD: 20
I think I've been falling for the same trap. It's hard to passively observe gravity without feeling like there is something I have to look for, but I'm starting to have a better grasp of the idea (at least I think so |
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Ohhhhh ok. The timer is definitely interesting (and definitely unnatural). I tend to dread things when they count down like alarms. Sort of a mild version of water torture I guess |
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It's fine to train yourself at first but try not to rely on it as much. Build up that awareness naturally and you'll be a lot more happy. |
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DILD: 150 | DEILD: 8 | WILD: 20
I guess I left out the fact that I only have been using the timer for an hour each day. Don't think I could handle much more than that. |
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