Thread: (N)REM barriers - the reason of not achieving lucidity

Originally Posted by Sageous

It may be impossible for you to stay conscious during NREM, but that does not make it so for everyone; "our" minds are by no means all turned off during NREM (I have a feeling yours is not either, BTW). Consciousness is a fairly persistent condition, regardless of our state. I think that your theory may presuppose something that is simply not true, Nfri, and that thought is based on personal experience as well as the experiences told to me by others; all anecdotal, sure, but enough when combined to imply that there is evidence of consciousness during NREM, or at least its potential. It might be a good idea to keep that in mind as you do your research,

You know Sageous, I surely agree with you that light sleep and possibly deep sleep stages are accessible by conciousness exploration, but I don't simply know how to do it... And also I don't know anyone who reliably can.

For me and the rest of us NREM barrier seems like stage without thoughs, memories nor dreams, just nothing...

since ignoring or summarily dismissing evidence that contradicts your hypotheses is never a good idea.

I would NEVER do this! I don't care about my theory, I just care about the truth. And the truth seems like if you're having long unconscious light sleep or deep sleep before aimed REM period for lucid dreaming, it significantly reduces chances to achieve lucidity.

Since we seem to categorically disagree on this subject, I'll try not to post here anymore (though I will still follow your thread with interest).

On the contrary I categorically agree.