Thread: Dreams + Law of Attraction= bringing people to you In Waking Life

Originally Posted by ZeraCook

So I have had Dreams of people who I haven't seen in weeks. After these dreams the people will just randomly decide to stop by my house and visit me, or we would randomly bump into each other in public. I was wondering if anyone else has experienced this and if so what they have thought of it. Oh and If anyone here understands the Law of Attraction

I have these dreams once in a while, just normal dreams of people I rarely see and within a day or two I 'bump' into them. In the last year or so I have had random thoughts about people and within a few hours they either unexpectedly call me or I bump into them as I am out and about. This isn't the law of attraction at work per se as you haven't consciously tried to manipulate these occurences with your unconscious resources, instead it is just straightforward precognition.

Oh I see, I was under the impression that the law of attraction was that any thought we had or anything we visualised affected the universe. I'm gonna have to study up on it better.

Originally Posted by ZeraCook

Oh I see, I was under the impression that the law of attraction was that any thought we had or anything we visualised affected the universe. I'm gonna have to study up on it better.

I replied in the way that I did because there wasn't any mention of this in your first post. The law of attraction has other very important components apart from just visualising for it to be successful.

Sigh.

There is no law of attraction. That was an idea presented in a pop-culture book, "The Secret," a couple of years ago. All it attracted was serious income for its otherwise forgotten author. Don't delude yourselves with the idea that if you just think really hard about a thing, it'll happen -- if that were true, we'd all be lotto millionaires today.

Is there real harm in being amazed by coincidence, or that these people would have turned up anyway, and something in your awareness or unconscious sent you a signal that that "anyway" was going to happen? Why does an unusual occurrence always need to be explained with new supernatural "laws," rather than simple, if boring, explanations like coincidence?

Sorry. I should not comment here. We should all be allowed to dream.

I actually have no idea what "law of attraction" refers to. If Sageous is correct that you mean a certain modern pop-culture thing, I am guessing it is just a re-hash of all the 'creative visualization' stuff from the 80s. I think in all likely hood my take on the world is far far more fanciful than Sageous, but that is good. It does not hurt to get the opinion of two educated men, who do not always agree. Certainly if we always agreed, what would be the point in talking with both of us.
Two items exist here. First, precognition in dreams. I have had obvious cases of this in my own life. I had a dream one morning of broken structures like floor drains, then I was laying on a blank white field and everything was violently shaking. I sat bolt upright in bed and then fell forward, gashing my fore head on a widow sill. I could not wake more than just enough to shove my hand under my forehead. About 8 hours later the giant earth quake that collapsed the Oakland Bridge happened. Clearly a case of precognitive dreams. Or,, a coincidence,,, but I have never gashed my head open from any other dream. I will go with pre-cognition. I have had plenty of smaller dreams like this.
The second issue is that of creating the world by thinking about it. I believe this is largely true, as I also believe the universe is actually composed of dream matter (E=mc2.) The problem is that it does not readily respond to people with little yogic development. It is a formula of required energy. How much energyt is human thought worth in balancing real life physics problems. That depends on the person. By developing the inner-self a person gains much greater power to use in this way.
As far as Sageous commenting on the lottery, it is actually very easy to explain. In this shared reality, every sentient being gets a vote composed of their thought energy. Beings with more energy get more votes. However, in matters of gambling, every person wants to be the winner. If every person devotes their energy to the concept of them winning, then even being massively powerful would still leave you no better off than if you had bought a few dozen extra tickets. Even if you could increase your chance of winning by 100 fold, you are still at direct odds with many millions of other sentient beings. Of course we can not all win the lottery. Of the hundreds of millions of players there have only been a few thousand huge prizes given in history.

Well Sageous you have you ever studied the Law of Attraction, because even if it doesn't exist I think that if we all believed in it the world would be a better place, because it teaches you to think only good thoughts, and that would make the world such a better place. Sivason is correct about your lottery statement, if the law of attraction is true, then we all use it and were all challenging each other for the lottery so No if it was true not all of us would be lottery winners. I for one am a believer of the law of attraction, or at least that our thoughts are sent out to the universe and do affect it, because every night for two weeks while going to bed I thought of a white dog with fluffy hair laying at the foot of my bed, after a couple weeks A stray dog starving and dirty, with long white hair wondered past my house, and came to me when I called it. Guess what sleeps at the foot of my bed now?

Okay, okay... Sorry! Have your beliefs, and listen if you will to Sivason. I should not have spoken, as that was not my place.

In truth, I agree that if we all believed in a Law of Attraction, even of it does not exist, the world would be a better place!

No Need to apologize, I appreciated your comment, and we are all entitled to our own opinion and beliefs. Thank you for your input I hope what I had to say didn't upset you.

Originally Posted by Sageous

Okay, okay... Sorry! Have your beliefs, and listen if you will to Sivason. I should not have spoken, as that was not my place.

In truth, I agree that if we all believed in a Law of Attraction, even of it does not exist, the world would be a better place!

Keep up the good work Sageous, your opinions are balanced and wise. I need you to speak honestly, so I can learn from interaction with a peer. I speak in a way, that some people may be attracted to, but we all need to hear what your current take on issues really are. Glad to have you as a member on this site.
http://www.dreamviews.com/f96/i-foll...k-site-127646/
Here is a link to an older thread that has a very long discussion that me, Sageous, and Mcwillis talked in great detail about a the idea. Mcwillis even teaches a basic energy exercise to help build this skill.

Here is a cut and paste of one of my comments, just in case it intersts anyone. ------
Shadowofwind, good observation. I was not trying to teach anyone anything, so didn't put much thought into the wording. Not only would that type of thing be creepy and wrong, it would not work, and would harm yourself on a inner level. What I was refering to is creating a force that you release into the world with a thought attached. Basic reality requires everything that happens to be measured as a form of energy. Energy is required to cause any effect, from walking to lighting a match. So as far as getting a girlfriend, the lonely man would create a large force of his own energy, then attach a general thought to it "I don't want to be alone anymore" or "Help me meet the right girl for me." The energy then works in its mysterious ways to enhance the likelyhood of such things happening. Perhaps a friend's sister has a friend over and they get along. Perhaps he starts having less acne and a brighter smile, or a hundred different things. As I made no attempt to teach anything I am probably not responsable for explaining basic morality to everyone. But, thanks for pointing out how it may have sounded. Also, in getting a job, you would be fool hardy and cause yourself inner damage by wishing someone loose their job so you can have a specific job. However, if you create a large flow of energy, and attach the thought "I need a job" the person may get a promotion and leave that job open. Or, maybe your dad's friend would hear about a great job, mention it to your dad, and so on.

Originally Posted by ZeraCook

No Need to apologize, I appreciated your comment, and we are all entitled to our own opinion and beliefs. Thank you for your input I hope what I had to say didn't upset you.

Thanks, and don't worry -- I have a pretty thick skin, and wasn't really upset; just tossing in my two cents where maybe it wasn't needed. I'll keep reading the thread, though, and maybe'll throw in a few more cents if you guys start discussing the potentials of thought energy...I can't resist that conversation, and trust me, I'll be on the "pro" side!

Well I'm interested now, what do you mean by thought energy?

Sounds like a precognitive dream to me, or by chance!

What ever It is I appreciate it because it gives me a one up on my life every now and then.

Originally Posted by Sageous

Sigh.

There is no law of attraction.

Sigh.

But there is a law of attraction.

Originally Posted by Sageous

Why does an unusual occurrence always need to be explained with new supernatural "laws," rather than simple, if boring, explanations like coincidence?
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I feel Unusual occurrences should always be explained, because if i learned anything so far my life its that any effect we see was caused by something cause will always lead to an effect. But I also believe there is no one law. the law of gravity was proved wrong to me up near Glacier Park Montana. There is a place called the house of Mysteries. when you walk in gravity literally shifts and you feel like the house is slanted. the support beams that hold the house up can be stood on due to gravity pulling you diagonally to the house, and there are ramps all over where when you put the marble on them they roll up the ramp. Once you go all the way through the house there is a spot where two people stand and look at each other, then switch spots. the two spots make you seem taller and shorter. its kind of freaky looking up at your little sister.

Originally Posted by ZeraCook

Well I'm interested now, what do you mean by thought energy?

That's a bigger question than it sounds...


First, for the tl;dr crowd: thought energy is the unique energy produced by a conscious thought. It is not to be confused with the electromagnetic energy involved in firing neurons, but it may be related to the energy fueling many of the activities we call supernatural.

Now the long version: At the risk of being lazy, I’ve torn a chunk from the chapter on thought energy from my last book and paraphrased it below. It’s a little out of context, and I might have shredded it a bit too much to be properly understood, but hopefully some of it’ll make sense. If not, just ask:

What is thought energy? Before we go there, we should clarify quickly what thought energy is not: it is not the same as the electromagnetic forces produced by the activity of neurons. That kind of biomechanical energy is generated by all animals to some degree, regardless of sentience. Though it is quite real and has great value to science, it is not what we are talking about here, and it should not be confused with thought energy. That said, we can ask more readily: what is thought energy?

In the simplest of terms, it is the force created from nothing more than the event of a conscious thought. In the most complex of terms, it is the force created from nothing more than the event of a conscious thought. That there is no complexity, and that thought energy fails to conform to mathematic analysis, pretty much bars it from any lexicon of modern physics. That is fair, because by any measure, and by all the rules as provided by nature itself, thought energy cannot exist. Unless, for those theoretical physicists out there, thought energy hasn’t been discovered yet – could the Higgs Field, for instance, simply be God’s thought energy?

What can thought energy do? Quite a bit, thanks to its unique nature. Because it exists outside of the laws of physics, thought energy is both exempt from those laws and able to affect them dramatically. Like a pin popping a balloon, thought energy can jam itself into the matrix of any physical system and can potentially disrupt or change that system simply by being present…sort of like adding a new letter to E=mc2.

Being thinking beings, humans can provide this pin, and they indeed do so, on a regular basis. To date, however, this wielding of “thought-forms” has been accidental. This is because it is currently not possible for humans to consciously form a thought whose corresponding energy might influence the exact thing that the human wanted to influence: thought energy does not speak our language. That does not mean that influence doesn’t happen; it means that wielders of thought-forms (specifically shaped ‘pins’ that pop the otherwise well-established balloons of natural physical events) have no idea what they are wielding. For instance, a person might inadvertently create a thought-form whose energy signature is just right for, say, changing the specific gravity of a nearby pencil. The pencil floats into the air, and the person sees it happen. Instead of acknowledging that his thoughts had generated just the right energy key to erase a pencil’s mass, the thinker decides that he has just experienced a bout of telekinesis. If the thinker remembers exactly what thought crossed his mind at the moment the pencil rose, he might be able to repeat the action in the future, preferably before an audience. The thinker fails to realize that his thought energy moved the pencil, because the thought he had formed while moving it was likely not about the pencil. Telekinesis will be the chosen phenomenon because there is an available mythology to support an explanation, so the action of the pencil is easier to describe using popular telekinetic terms rather than thought-form terms. It could be that most if not all of what we term supernatural events are directly related to though-forms randomly influencing physical reality.

This influence is exerted by humans all the time, but those who are doing the influencing have no idea that they tapping their own thought energy. They instead blame their influence on fate, luck, God, magic, the Law of Attraction, supernatural forces, or whatever other clever explanation their imagination can conjure. The explanations might approach the absurd, but the forces their thoughts create are real, as are the changes in the universe they might be making.

Another interesting aspect of thought energy is that a though-form exists everywhere in the universe, instantly, thanks to the fact that it is not governed by rules like the Standard Model, which includes the e=mc2 speed limit.

As each thinking person generates a unique thought energy signature – wavelength, as it were, though there is no physical evidence of how the stuff works – they accumulate a pool of thought energy that will exist forever. This pool glows with all the accumulated thoughts of the person who created it, in a tangible and potentially organized manner. In other words, over their physical human lifetime every thinking person creates his own eternal soul, and the quality of that soul is defined by the quality of the thoughts that accumulate in that pool. As it exists without consciousness or awareness, this soul is essentially a bundle of energy whose signature uniquely matches that of the individual who created them, but it is not sentient on its own. Upon the death of our physical bodies, we have opportunity in our last living moments to dive our consciousness into that pool, and preserve our selves, in energy form, forever. This potential has long been known but always misinterpreted by religions, parapsychologists, and others seeking definition rather than truth. Indeed mystics from every religion have reached conclusions that point to thought energy instead of things like prayer or miracles.

That we can activate, perhaps occupy, or at least make sentient the accumulated pool of our lives’ thought is the reason that we need to be nice to each other, and try to avoid creating hateful or angry thoughts. This is because not only will the energy from those bad thoughts be with us forever, they will help provide the makeup of who we are for all eternity. A lifetime’s accumulation of good, self-aware, and creative thought will generate a far more powerful eternal soul than a lifetime of evil, narcissistic, or empty thought (apparently watching reality TV doesn’t help much either). So, eternal life is indeed ours, but it is defined not by a judging God, but by how we lived our corporeal lives.

That’s what I got. There’s more, as this is a category about which books could – and should – be written, and the few hundred words spared here are simply not enough. But hey, you asked, and I answered as best as I could in this format!

Originally Posted by Sageous

Being thinking beings, humans can provide this pin, and they indeed do so, on a regular basis. To date, however, this wielding of “thought-forms” has been accidental. This is because it is currently not possible for humans to consciously form a thought whose corresponding energy might influence the exact thing that the human wanted to influence: thought energy does not speak our language.




As each thinking person generates a unique thought energy signature – wavelength, as it were, though there is no physical evidence of how the stuff works – they accumulate a pool of thought energy that will exist forever. This pool glows with all the accumulated thoughts of the person who created it, in a tangible and potentially organized manner. In other words, over their physical human lifetime every thinking person creates his own eternal soul, and the quality of that soul is defined by the quality of the thoughts that accumulate in that pool. As it exists without consciousness or awareness, this soul is essentially a bundle of energy whose signature uniquely matches that of the individual who created them, but it is not sentient on its own.

Thanks Sageous, all good stuff. I have just a couple comments to add. First, While most of this is going on undirected and randomly, the goal of many Yogas is to learn to have control over this. So, we could debate or speculate on how much a person can learn to control thought energy, but the attempt to learn this control, is one of the yogic paths I personally am following.

The second, is in reference to your part about a pool of thought energy. It has a strong tie in to the idea of Karma. Karma is basically explained by your ideas. The record of all those angry thoughts gets woven up in who you are. On a light and interesting note, a trained yogi can have some luck at erasing some of the past thought energy. Basically if it is like a tangled ball of yarn holding the record of past anger, then the yogi can work on loosening the ball and try to comb out some of the chaos left over by the past.

Originally Posted by sivason

First, While most of this is going on undirected and randomly, the goal of many Yogas is to learn to have control over this. So, we could debate or speculate on how much a person can learn to control thought energy, but the attempt to learn this control, is one of the yogic paths I personally am following.

The second, is in reference to your part about a pool of thought energy. It has a strong tie in to the idea of Karma. Karma is basically explained by your ideas. The record of all those angry thoughts gets woven up in who you are. On a light and interesting note, a trained yogi can have some luck at erasing some of the past thought energy. Basically if it is like a tangled ball of yarn holding the record of past anger, then the yogi can work on loosening the ball and try to comb out some of the chaos left over by the past.

Good additions, I think; and I feel I must explain:

I tend to avoid using words like karma (and prana, and nirvana, and clear light of the void, and etc) for two reasons: first, because I was "coming up" with all this stuff long before I knew there were terms for them (I thought I was very bright and original when I was around 20!) and I always forget to include the "official" terms; and second, because even when I remember the terms I worry that using them might turn away seekers who want to know more about the cool bits of ancient knowledge but aren't interested in what they might see as religious dogma (or, in the case of karma, they might be bothered by the term because of all the misinformation that's been attached to it over the years). So my own bias, I guess... I'm also usually confident that a knowledgeable soul like you will chime in with the "facts" when necessary...I am so lazy!

Yes, control over thought energy has been a goal of a "thoughtful" few for many centuries; as I said, this is nothing new. That the yogis have generally not succeeded in gaining control to any degree is very telling, though... in other words, pay attention to what they said, not what they did, and seek your own path for control. Or not.

I like your mention of yogic efforts to mend their mangled souls. It makes me think, though, of the practice of "right-mindfulness," where you set your mind and character in a spiritual direction that avoids those tangles in the first place. I think that is a much better way to go, mostly because I question the yogis' ability to unravel the tangles of their soul post-facto, simply because those tangles represent their very nature, and would be difficult indeed to identify, much less rectify.

...And yes, I also know that the yogis would never use a term like "soul" in the first place, but it works for me.

Thanks for sharing, and adding... the validity of your knowledge likely trumps my humble opinion, so it was worth adding!

Originally Posted by Sageous

Good additions, I think; and I feel I must explain:

I tend to avoid using words like karma (and prana, and nirvana, and clear light of the void, and etc) for two reasons: first, because I was "coming up" with all this stuff long before I knew there were terms for them (I thought I was very bright and original when I was around 20!) and I always forget to include the "official" terms; and second, because even when I remember the terms I worry that using them might turn away seekers who want to know more about the cool bits of ancient knowledge but aren't interested in what they might see as religious dogma (or, in the case of karma, they might be bothered by the term because of all the misinformation that's been attached to it over the years). So my own bias, I guess... I'm also usually confident that a knowledgeable soul like you will chime in with the "facts" when necessary...I am so lazy!

Yes, control over thought energy has been a goal of a "thoughtful" few for many centuries; as I said, this is nothing new. That the yogis have generally not succeeded in gaining control to any degree is very telling, though... in other words, pay attention to what they said, not what they did, and seek your own path for control. Or not.

I like your mention of yogic efforts to mend their mangled souls. It makes me think, though, of the practice of "right-mindfulness," where you set your mind and character in a spiritual direction that avoids those tangles in the first place. I think that is a much better way to go, mostly because I question the yogis' ability to unravel the tangles of their soul post-facto, simply because those tangles represent their very nature, and would be difficult indeed to identify, much less rectify.

...And yes, I also know that the yogis would never use a term like "soul" in the first place, but it works for me.

Thanks for sharing, and adding... the validity of your knowledge likely trumps my humble opinion, so it was worth adding!

We think a lot alike on the subject of words! I hate to wrap things up in these catchy phrases like karma. It is clumbsy for all the reasons you mention. Oddly enough, the one of the words I do enjoy using is soul. The term soul may not be used in traditional yoga, but it works very well for me, so we see eye to eye there.

Originally Posted by Sageous

That’s what I got. There’s more, as this is a category about which books could – and should – be written, and the few hundred words spared here are simply not enough. But hey, you asked, and I answered as best as I could in this format!

Thank you for that, It's not wasted. It also has shown me that my efforts to control my thoughts and keep them on the positive are not useless, even if there is no such thing as the law of attractions, and makes me feel even better that I have been making the choices of good over bad no matter what.

Law of Attraction

I watched the DVD once or twice a day for about 8 weeks. I didn't like parts of it but suffered through what I didnt't like. Then after watching it I would catch the 6am bus to Henley Beach Square. Then I would walk from Henley Beach Jetty to Grange Jetty saying:

"Everything is perfect"

I would talk to the noisy ocean. It represented god or the universal unconscious or subconscioud to me. I would explaine to the noisy waves that the reason "everything is perfect" is because "Everything" is the Universe loving and serving me ... ultra-peronally.

I would have a rest and eat a breaky that I brought with me and think about the Law of Attraction. Then I would walk back down the beach from Grange Jetty to Henley Beach Jetty. Saying:

"I am always prepared"

Then I'd catch the buss home and be home by about 8 am.

And after about 3 months The Law of Attraction began kicking in BIG time.

Originally Posted by debrajane

Law of Attraction

I watched the DVD once or twice a day for about 8 weeks. I didn't like parts of it but suffered through what I didnt't like. Then after watching it I would catch the 6am bus to Henley Beach Square. Then I would walk from Henley Beach Jetty to Grange Jetty saying:

"Everything is perfect"

I would talk to the noisy ocean. It represented god or the universal unconscious or subconscioud to me. I would explaine to the noisy waves that the reason "everything is perfect" is because "Everything" is the Universe loving and serving me ... ultra-peronally.

I would have a rest and eat a breaky that I brought with me and think about the Law of Attraction. Then I would walk back down the beach from Grange Jetty to Henley Beach Jetty. Saying:

"I am always prepared"

Then I'd catch the buss home and be home by about 8 am.

And after about 3 months The Law of Attraction began kicking in BIG time.

Wow. That is a lot of devotion to the ideas you must have found in the DVD. I am not aware of what any one is talking about, so I assume it is a spin on 'positive affermation' ie. "I am not a horrible speller!"
I am thrilled you have tapped into a mystical aspect of life. Can anyone fill me in on details about "The Law of Attraction"? Debra, care to give an example of what you have experienced with it?

I have the book, I'll give you some good details and quotes on it once my friend is finished with it. Unless someone else fills you in first.

Dear sivison

Since the server swap I have not been getting notifications.

I only just realised that when I pressed my book mark for this and another thread that I put a post. I found your "Like", (always thrilling) but then I realised I didn't get a notification for that, "Like recieved".

I had better hunt around in case people think I am being rude not replying when they talk to me.

Bye the way, sivason, after remembering doing that Law of Attraction beach thing, (waaaaay-back in 2007) I decided I do it again. Yesterday, Thursday 3/May/22 I bussed down there and did a mini walk. I just-now got back from my second mini beach walk.

My experience, in 2007, was that is took 3 to 5 months for the Law of Attraction to kick-in and to work.

Originally Posted by sivason

Wow. That is a lot of devotion to the ideas you must have found in the DVD. I am not aware of what any one is talking about, so I assume it is a spin on 'positive affermation' ie. "I am not a horrible speller!"
I am thrilled you have tapped into a mystical aspect of life. Can anyone fill me in on details about "The Law of Attraction"? Debra, care to give an example of what you have experienced with it?