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      Deja Vu

      This basically goes into the realms of dimensional travel/multiple time lines. I apologize ahead of time if this gets hard to understand, or I have trouble explaining something. This also may be unorganized, but I will do my best to make it comprehensible.

      This has been happening to me for years, but until this year I never understood what was going on. I've been having really intense Deja Vu's for a few years, sometimes SO often that a whole day will be a constant string of them. The more time goes on, the more these happen to me, and the more I feel I am living in multiple places and bodies simultaneously. Most of these deja vu's stem from dreams, not memories from this current waking life.

      Let me start by trying to explain one of these events for you. I walk into a situation, the deja vu feeling hits, I realize what I am doing has happened, and most likely multiple different ways. Sometimes my brain only remembers one outcome, or maybe there were only 2 outcomes (two versions of myself, different dimensions or time lines), one of which I would be living at that moment. More recently, I have been getting some with so many outcomes I physically forget where I am for a moment. So much information comes flooding in; visuals, voices, sounds, feelings, words, etc. They all correlate with what I am doing and where I am, but in different time lines, because each outcome has a different variable then the other. I was at work one day, and the strongest deja vu I have ever had came in. Consciously, I registered roughly 5 time lines running together. I was seeing and hearing my boss move and say different things in different manners all simultaneously. This is very hard to explain verbally, let alone in text. Think of a couple video cameras with long exposure, taping the same thing from different angles and then cramming all of that video into one feed. Very messy, and very hard to decrypt.

      A lot of the time I think I just cross paths with another time line, seeing things through another self, or vice versa. Usually they are small, quick, and easy for my brain to handle (two time lines crossing verses 5 or 6 time lines intersecting). They last from a split second, up to a few minutes, sometimes longer.

      I have also had situations in my dreams, play out in reality days-months later. I can feel when people are stressed out or have life troubles through dreams. I had an ex keep popping out over a period of a week, so I finally got in contact with her to see if anything stupid was going on and... sure enough her and her boyfriend had been fighting and ended up breaking up.

      My mind is a bit tangled right now, so I will continue later.


      Does this happen to anyone else? If so I would like to hear your experiences and chat
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      I have had few situations where i got the deja vu feeling and said out loud what would happen next and it happened. It was mind blowing experience. Once i was at school and we were playing football not the american. I saw something that triggered the deja vu feeling i told the team player who were against (he was my friend) what was going to happen. I make the names up. Jack is going to pass to Mike and Mike is going to do this silly trick then shoot it left upper corner and that what happened. My friend was like wtf i just told it was deja vu. I was then 12 years old. I dont have explanation for this. I used to be so logical thinker back then but that and one other experience opened my mind little more.
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      I've had occurances like this before. They've been much more frequent now.

      Every month or two, I'd see a snippit of a dream. It only lasted a few seconds, and I soon exited it to enter another dream.

      2-4 weeks later, that dream ends up happening in waking life. I can never seem to remember them until they start happening, however.

      It started when I was 12, and has become more frequent over the past 5 years.
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      I can never remember them until that moment either.. I find that interesting. Its like they are hidden somewhere but at the same time easily accessible. I have always been very intrigued by deja vu.

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      Quote Originally Posted by System View Post
      Consciously, I registered roughly 5 time lines running together. I was seeing and hearing my boss move and say different things in different manners all simultaneously.
      This has happened to me in dream, with just a couple of alternatives going at once. In waking life, it seems to me that being conscious of the several different alternatives implies that they don't merge neatly back into a single unified outcome, since you're left with incompatible memories from several 'histories'. I've had a few experiences like that, but I was only aware of one 'path' at a time while it was happen. I found this frightening, and I flatter myself to think that I don't get frightened easily.

      I speculate that what's going on here doesn't really fit the 'alternative histories' paradigm very well, but its the best idea we have for it. Maybe its a special case of a larger set of bizarre experiences that would be possible for us if we had more sophisticated sci-fi ideas.

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      2-4 weeks later, that dream ends up happening in waking life.
      That's interesting. I've had delays as long as 13 years, but the event almost always follows within a few hours. I think the fact that you have a several week delay compared to my several hours should tell us something about how it works, if we knew how to interpret it.

      My premonitions are highly symbolic, not like a literal film of the event. Its more like a story generated from a highly detailed feeling of the event. Mine are usually accurate, but can be wildly wrong also.

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      Quote Originally Posted by shadowofwind View Post
      This has happened to me in dream, with just a couple of alternatives going at once. In waking life, it seems to me that being conscious of the several different alternatives implies that they don't merge neatly back into a single unified outcome, since you're left with incompatible memories from several 'histories'. I've had a few experiences like that, but I was only aware of one 'path' at a time while it was happen. I found this frightening, and I flatter myself to think that I don't get frightened easily.
      I concur for the most part about them not merging into one unified outcome, but I also believe that we could get them too. To me, it seems like this is a presented choice for us, one of which we could take any of the the paths, or none at all. I might be simply observing these paths as they are presented, instead of seeing them, choosing one, and going with it. I usually just try to take in as much info as I can from each situation.


      Quote Originally Posted by shadowofwind View Post
      I speculate that what's going on here doesn't really fit the 'alternative histories' paradigm very well, but its the best idea we have for it. Maybe its a special case of a larger set of bizarre experiences that would be possible for us if we had more sophisticated sci-fi ideas.
      Could you elaborate more on this?

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      That's interesting. I've had delays as long as 13 years, but the event almost always follows within a few hours. I think the fact that you have a several week delay compared to my several hours should tell us something about how it works, if we knew how to interpret it.

      My premonitions are highly symbolic, not like a literal film of the event. Its more like a story generated from a highly detailed feeling of the event. Mine are usually accurate, but can be wildly wrong also.
      Mine seem to be very sporadic in terms of when they show up in waking life, anywhere from minutes to years. Theses situation really boggle my mind, I can never wrap my head around it when it happens, or what it even means. The only thing I know is that I am remembering outcomes, but that is about all I have come up with so far.

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      Quote Originally Posted by System View Post
      I concur for the most part about them not merging into one unified outcome, but I also believe that we could get them too. To me, it seems like this is a presented choice for us, one of which we could take any of the the paths, or none at all. I might be simply observing these paths as they are presented, instead of seeing them, choosing one, and going with it. I usually just try to take in as much info as I can from each situation.
      I'll try to clarify what I meant by a unified outcome. In current physics theory, all alternative histories that lead to the present moment are equally real. Your memory is a part of the current state of the world. So if the histories really lead to the same, coherent point, then you have no picture/sound/tactile/thought kind of memory of the experience, because all the paths are indistinguishable in terms of what is preserved. You might be able to get a deja-vu kind of sense that something bizarre has happened, provided that your feeling is not a part of 'nature', but you would only have the vague feeling. To get an actual memory like you described, the different 'paths' would have to join in an inconsistent manner, so that you have memories from several mutually exclusive events. That's what I meant by the outcome not being unified, though that was a poor choice of words, since the outcome is unified, even though its unified in a messy way. I think these 'consistent' kind of mergers of alternative histories probably happen all the time, but we don't know it since there's no objective evidence. Its only the inconsistent ones that really catch our attention.

      Quote Originally Posted by System View Post
      I speculate that what's going on here doesn't really fit the 'alternative histories' paradigm very well, but its the best idea we have for it. Maybe its a special case of a larger set of bizarre experiences that would be possible for us if we had more sophisticated sci-fi ideas.

      Could you elaborate more on this?
      I don't think that gnostic/new-age/vedic thoughts about higher worlds are quite right, because they don't seem to be quite reconcilable either with my experience or with known physics. So we try to develop these alternative ideas using more recently developed science fiction ideas about alternative realities, and we get experiences that fit those better. But it seems unlikely to me that these new sci-fi many-worlds ideas are suddenly right where the past mystic ideas failed, and I think that as we learn more they'll stop making as much sense to us. Also, I have a sort of internal dialogue with the muse that helped create my 'alternative histories' experiences, and it seems to tell me that there's a lot more to the picture than what I've experienced, and seems to agree with my thought that the alternative history idea isn't quite right. For instance, my dreams on this subject are fairly strange, and I have a sense that the underlying experience is not being captured by my dream metaphors at all well. If it were simply a 'many worlds' kind of thing, I'd experience it that way, and it would feel like it all fits. Since I don't have a better way of thinking about it, I can't say very clearly why I think it doesn't fit though.
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      Quote Originally Posted by shadowofwind View Post
      If it were simply a 'many worlds' kind of thing, I'd experience it that way, and it would feel like it all fits. Since I don't have a better way of thinking about it, I can't say very clearly why I think it doesn't fit though.
      All of what you said makes complete sense, but most of all you hit the nail on the head with this one.. Although I have experienced the many world type situations, I agree with you, because it would at least make sense in some way or another. One of my other selves would bring in enough knowledge from past histories that I would at least get a good idea of the other lives. I honestly feel like there is some sort of "Task," "Message" or "Idea" that I am supposed to put together and set in motion, but I'm not quite sure what it is. I know at least the basic gist of the message, which is to spread Love and Evolution and let people know there is more to reality then what they "see." But I can tell there is more to it then just this simple message for those who choose to hear it.

      Thank you for your replies, I am very grateful to have someone to discuss this with!

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      Something to keep in mind maybe about the 'many worlds' of quantum physics: There isn't a collection of distinct 'parallel worlds', instead there is a fractal-like tangle of closely interconnected worlds, which are bunched up in groups that might be crudely thought of as individual worlds. What we think of as 'our world' is actually one of those bundles of infinitely many very similar worlds. If it were just one world it would be nothing, there would be no chemistry or anything.

      My experiences have been produced in part by a demon-like muse of sorts. One when I asked it about its identity, it said 'you claimed to have created me for communication between worlds', or something to that effect. Make of it what you will.

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      I am so happy to find someone else this happens to!!!

      I have a slight variation on this, it kinda goes back AND forward, like not only do I have the feeling that this has happened before, and perhaps in other forms and other ways but it feels like I can predict allot of the time what will happen next. I used to find this very disorientating but now I just go with it - it puts me into a nice trance like state where I feel some aspects of myself are heightened - and then see where this takes me...

      Quote Originally Posted by System View Post
      This basically goes into the realms of dimensional travel/multiple time lines. I apologize ahead of time if this gets hard to understand, or I have trouble explaining something. This also may be unorganized, but I will do my best to make it comprehensible.

      This has been happening to me for years, but until this year I never understood what was going on. I've been having really intense Deja Vu's for a few years, sometimes SO often that a whole day will be a constant string of them. The more time goes on, the more these happen to me, and the more I feel I am living in multiple places and bodies simultaneously. Most of these deja vu's stem from dreams, not memories from this current waking life.

      Let me start by trying to explain one of these events for you. I walk into a situation, the deja vu feeling hits, I realize what I am doing has happened, and most likely multiple different ways. Sometimes my brain only remembers one outcome, or maybe there were only 2 outcomes (two versions of myself, different dimensions or time lines), one of which I would be living at that moment. More recently, I have been getting some with so many outcomes I physically forget where I am for a moment. So much information comes flooding in; visuals, voices, sounds, feelings, words, etc. They all correlate with what I am doing and where I am, but in different time lines, because each outcome has a different variable then the other. I was at work one day, and the strongest deja vu I have ever had came in. Consciously, I registered roughly 5 time lines running together. I was seeing and hearing my boss move and say different things in different manners all simultaneously. This is very hard to explain verbally, let alone in text. Think of a couple video cameras with long exposure, taping the same thing from different angles and then cramming all of that video into one feed. Very messy, and very hard to decrypt.

      A lot of the time I think I just cross paths with another time line, seeing things through another self, or vice versa. Usually they are small, quick, and easy for my brain to handle (two time lines crossing verses 5 or 6 time lines intersecting). They last from a split second, up to a few minutes, sometimes longer.

      I have also had situations in my dreams, play out in reality days-months later. I can feel when people are stressed out or have life troubles through dreams. I had an ex keep popping out over a period of a week, so I finally got in contact with her to see if anything stupid was going on and... sure enough her and her boyfriend had been fighting and ended up breaking up.

      My mind is a bit tangled right now, so I will continue later.


      Does this happen to anyone else? If so I would like to hear your experiences and chat
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      Quote Originally Posted by System View Post
      This basically goes into the realms of dimensional travel/multiple time lines. I apologize ahead of time if this gets hard to understand, or I have trouble explaining something. This also may be unorganized, but I will do my best to make it comprehensible.

      This has been happening to me for years, but until this year I never understood what was going on. I've been having really intense Deja Vu's for a few years, sometimes SO often that a whole day will be a constant string of them. The more time goes on, the more these happen to me, and the more I feel I am living in multiple places and bodies simultaneously. Most of these deja vu's stem from dreams, not memories from this current waking life.

      Let me start by trying to explain one of these events for you. I walk into a situation, the deja vu feeling hits, I realize what I am doing has happened, and most likely multiple different ways. Sometimes my brain only remembers one outcome, or maybe there were only 2 outcomes (two versions of myself, different dimensions or time lines), one of which I would be living at that moment. More recently, I have been getting some with so many outcomes I physically forget where I am for a moment. So much information comes flooding in; visuals, voices, sounds, feelings, words, etc. They all correlate with what I am doing and where I am, but in different time lines, because each outcome has a different variable then the other. I was at work one day, and the strongest deja vu I have ever had came in. Consciously, I registered roughly 5 time lines running together. I was seeing and hearing my boss move and say different things in different manners all simultaneously. This is very hard to explain verbally, let alone in text. Think of a couple video cameras with long exposure, taping the same thing from different angles and then cramming all of that video into one feed. Very messy, and very hard to decrypt.

      A lot of the time I think I just cross paths with another time line, seeing things through another self, or vice versa. Usually they are small, quick, and easy for my brain to handle (two time lines crossing verses 5 or 6 time lines intersecting). They last from a split second, up to a few minutes, sometimes longer.

      I have also had situations in my dreams, play out in reality days-months later. I can feel when people are stressed out or have life troubles through dreams. I had an ex keep popping out over a period of a week, so I finally got in contact with her to see if anything stupid was going on and... sure enough her and her boyfriend had been fighting and ended up breaking up.

      My mind is a bit tangled right now, so I will continue later.


      Does this happen to anyone else? If so I would like to hear your experiences and chat
      Psychologists say, deja vu is a error in brain memory handling- Maybe.
      But I would also like to have an explanation of some of my deja vu- where I remembered things a little different than they happened in reality. Or the ONE where I remembered multiple ends of what I was doing... Multiple deja vu of the one action. Like it is described by you. I had only one of such deja vu experienced.
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      Quote Originally Posted by shadowofwind View Post
      Something to keep in mind maybe about the 'many worlds' of quantum physics: There isn't a collection of distinct 'parallel worlds', instead there is a fractal-like tangle of closely interconnected worlds, which are bunched up in groups that might be crudely thought of as individual worlds. What we think of as 'our world' is actually one of those bundles of infinitely many very similar worlds. If it were just one world it would be nothing, there would be no chemistry or anything.

      My experiences have been produced in part by a demon-like muse of sorts. One when I asked it about its identity, it said 'you claimed to have created me for communication between worlds', or something to that effect. Make of it what you will.


      I very much agree with the "fractal-like tangle of closely interconnected worlds." I had an interesting thought one day that relates to this.. I was looking around outside, searching for various new perspectives, looking at all the geometry and fractals within nature. When I looked at the ground, all the grass and little bugs popped out to me, they are in their own world down there, and we are walking all over it. Then I looked up at the big tree's, houses, people and thought... We are NO different from then, honestly we probably ARE them, but with a slight variable. I have had the immense feeling that everything we experience truly IS the ENTIRE Universe... at once. But our brains perceive things on an individual manner, in order to make "sense" out it, considering we usually think about things Logically.
      Kind of like this:


      As for the "demon" thing, I don't believe in demons considering everything we see is based off of numerics (a digital matrix). "Demons" are no more then a Viral Code, like a virus on a computer. It takes over the conduit, and does what it pleases with it. That being said, just like on a computer, the user has to activate something in order to let the viral code in.

      In my opinion you are not dealing with a viral code, but a created version of yourself to act as a "gatekeeper" per-say.

      Just speculating!
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      System,

      This is a good Mandelbrot generator, if you haven't seen it yet: Fraqtive | Mandelbrot family fractal generator If you try it, be sure to change the settings to maximize the iterations. The default doesn't seem appropriate for modern computers. You may want to change the color too.

      As a software developer and scientist (electromagnetics), I'm 100% certain that nature is not a digital matrix, though maybe I'm assuming too much about what you meant by that. Although people who know a lot about computers often try to use computing ideas to understand everything else, it only sort of works. I agree that the world is like a digital matrix in the sense that its a sort of self-contained, dynamic logical structure, without any real substance besides math. But its not a digital logic, even though some things are quantized, for reasons that are understood. In other words, I don't think there's an underlying computer, it is its own computer, and as such it is not a digital computer.

      I think your description of a 'demon' is sort of accurate, though I don't see why that makes it any less real, just because it moves fluidly between hosts rather than having its own body for a fixed lifespan. When I say "demon-like muse", I probably don't mean what you guess I mean though, and there's no way to correct that without me writing pages and pages of explanation. I use those words because they're the best fit I have, but they really don't fit very well.

      Anyway, best of luck.

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      Quote Originally Posted by shadowofwind View Post
      System,

      This is a good Mandelbrot generator, if you haven't seen it yet: Fraqtive | Mandelbrot family fractal generator If you try it, be sure to change the settings to maximize the iterations. The default doesn't seem appropriate for modern computers. You may want to change the color too.

      As a software developer and scientist (electromagnetics), I'm 100% certain that nature is not a digital matrix, though maybe I'm assuming too much about what you meant by that. Although people who know a lot about computers often try to use computing ideas to understand everything else, it only sort of works. I agree that the world is like a digital matrix in the sense that its a sort of self-contained, dynamic logical structure, without any real substance besides math. But its not a digital logic, even though some things are quantized, for reasons that are understood. In other words, I don't think there's an underlying computer, it is its own computer, and as such it is not a digital computer.

      I think your description of a 'demon' is sort of accurate, though I don't see why that makes it any less real, just because it moves fluidly between hosts rather than having its own body for a fixed lifespan. When I say "demon-like muse", I probably don't mean what you guess I mean though, and there's no way to correct that without me writing pages and pages of explanation. I use those words because they're the best fit I have, but they really don't fit very well.

      Anyway, best of luck.
      I used to use Apophysis and Chaotica to create fractals (not a fractal generator so to speak), but I crashed my computer so many times by pushing its processing capabilities, I had to stop. If you want to check out some of my art I can send you a link.

      If you are into electromagnetism, then you and I have a lot in common and will probably get along well . Although I am not a "scientist" by the conventional meaning, I do my own research and experiments with nature by magnetic interaction. I.E. My field, connecting with the field of a plant or tree, etc. I would like to chat through PM with you if you are interested, I would love to hear what you have learned about magnetics.

      From what I have found, Earth is definitely its own computer of sorts, I would say it relates more to a quantum computer then what we are using right now. If you look into how things are designed and created here, everything is code based, shaped through vibrational frequencies. I mean think about our DNA code.. Even nature has a specific mathematical code which it follows. Like I said, I have only done my own research, so like anything you could call it "just a theory."

      As for the demon thing:
      They are definitely real, but it is your THOUGHT of it which makes it what it is. If you realize its just a code, then your belief of it shapes what it is. So if you are a strong minded person and know it cannot attach itself to, or harm you, then you have taken all of its power away from doing so. These codes are strictly fear based, so if you are afraid of it, or believe that you can be effected by it, then you are opening yourself up to an attack by one.

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      Quote Originally Posted by System View Post
      They are definitely real, but it is your THOUGHT of it which makes it what it is.
      Sure. My 'demon' and I both know that, and are on friendly terms. My thought isn't the whole of what makes it what it is though. The fractal analogy applies well here, its a personal manifestation of something a lot larger than my own mind. It actually doesn't exhibit the characteristics of a demon any more for the most part, by mutual consensus, its integrated fairly well into other aspects of my life and destiny. My earlier point was mostly just that I got a bit of a push from something that was more than just my own subconscious self. And even now all of my telepathetic experiences are like that, I'm not really doing it. Maybe sort of like how I don't consciously control digestion and other processes in my body either, except in the case of my dreams the 'body' involved is more than just me.

      Let's talk later. I think I'll head off to shop for toys for my kids though, this weekend is my last convenient opportunity.

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