Thread: How to share dream?

Lol... To be honest, it seems that it is you who should be telling US how to summarize it up.

Look at the thread Man Of Shred made. He tells you how to share a dream when lucid. The way you view how to share a dream is how he views it

Originally Posted by DawnEye11

Look at the thread Man Of Shred made. He tells you how to share a dream when lucid. The way you view how to share a dream is how he views it

Or how he viewed it before he decided we are all being deceived by evil spirits anyway.

tP97: Last night I dreamed of a guy who was interested in sharing a dream as a possible demonstration for skeptics. I couldn't see his thought, because he was veiling it pending the experiment. But I got the impression that there was a question in his thought, and that the answer to his question is that he's trying to do too much of the shared dreaming himself, and not leaving enough to providence, so to speak. I don't think that this person is you, my mind doesn't work that way. But I think this is nevertheless at least a partial answer to your question.

Two nights ago I dreamed of being on a large jet. The jet was almost empty, except for a few asian people sitting up front, and a stewardess berated me for not having my seat-belt on yet. This dream reflects an underlying feeling of being about to be transported somewhere. I needed to pee, so I got up and did that, then went back to bed. I then dreamed of being in China, in a place I haven't been before. I was visiting people who I hadn't met before, but who welcomed me like a friend. That night (day in China) one of my wife's Chinese friends was getting married in China, so she was thinking about being there with them. My wife has almost no dream recall, so we don't "share dreams". But I think I shared her experience a little bit in my dream. I wasn't her in my dream though, or me, it was sort of a blend of both of our experiences. I guess there are two points I'm trying to get at here. One is that the experience is like a wave, I don't create it 'on the fly' while dreaming. It is set in motion from beyond me, and I just sort of ride on it. My other point is that the important things in a relationship are things like honesty, treating the other person right, respecting their freedom, and empathy. If you just do that, you don't really have to expect the shared experience to take any particular form. It just takes the form that is naturally is on who both of you are. I'm not saying you can't desire a particular experience like a shared dream, just that it happens easier if you leave it freedom to be what it wants to be. It seems like I'm mostly just echoing back what you're already thinking though.

So , basically I shouldn't try too hard to share dreams and let it happen naturally? I should just wish to connect with the other person and not think "how" I would connect ? I have been doing just that and I think I've been having shared dreams with her . About two weeks back , I had a dream , unlike any dream I had ever had . In it , me and another conscious were gods and were making stories with the dream and talking telepathically. We were discussing our inner problems and trying to solve them. I was sure it was a shared dream since I could feel the presence of the other person , it wasn't that of my dream guide and the moment I woke up , the first thought that came into my mind was that it was her whom I had share dreamed with. I couldn't confirm it though since she woke up like 6 hours after that dream and couldn't recall. I think I have had many more such shared dreams with her , but I can almost never figure out when it is her in the dream or is it a dream character. She has been in my dreams too often :p I guess I'd ask her to increase her recall so that we can share dreams and confirm experiences , she is interested in sd'ying

Thanks for help ^_^

Originally Posted by DawnEye11

Look at the thread Man Of Shred made. He tells you how to share a dream when lucid. The way you view how to share a dream is how he views it

Who exactly is the Man of Shred ? Can you give me a link?
Edit: Nevermind I found him :p

Lol... To be honest, it seems that it is you who should be telling US how to summarize it up.

Hehe...Well I ain't that much of a pro :p I am a 16 y/o who got super excited when he got to know of shared dreaming last november and then went on to try it with a friend :p There are people like shadow0fWind and WakingNomad who are super experienced in sd'ying ^_^ I would surely summerize it in a new thread when I have done enough research and gained enough experience , probably in 3-4 months.

I was thinking of this last night and what I think is Shadowofwind's method of shared dreaming and have been intending to post this in one of these threads asking how to share dreams.

I think what needs to happen to share a dream is to let something of that person flow into you are if you are en empty bucket waiting to be filled. A type of focus is required on a feeling-based level towards a certain person. The mind and any desires/emotions of the self, including the desire to share dreams has to be let go of because this requires a void inside the self. What fills ur bucket is an emotion that is significantly linked to the person you are focusing your attention on. As the focus is maintained there can come visions, and in my experience, images having to do with this other person may start filling the mind. I'm not sure if this is the same mechanism as shared dreaming but I think there's a good chance. I suspect that as focus is maintained a shared field is imagined/created then we can release the void of self and start bringing in self-awareness in the process with goal of sharing the self and establishing links that further progress into future shared dream experiences!

For this practice it helps to be in a darkened room because the images have to do with Melatonin production but I think is not required to establish links on a feeling-based level only.

Oh. I didn't know that he changed his view on it. ^^' sorry.

Interesting way to induce shared dreaming... Clearing mind and focus on the feeling to targeted person. To make way to each other.

Seems like a good approach to me...

What about different approach. Clear mind first. Then make emotional bridge to target person. Then create dream through imagination. Person should be included, but only as shape. Without forcing target person into any frame(or task, or assignment?). English is not my mother language, I'm not sure of that word. I feel all of them could fit.
Because- what if target person is in deep sleep? Therefore with blank mind. Therefore there is nothing to attach for our mind. While dream could be timeless theoretically, it would lead to added difficulty to try to connect through mind connection not only through space, but also through time.

I tried something yesterday morning... I imagined target person home, and so I projected a dream close to target person. I saw her and then it somehow made me to run to her and to hug her. Target person was looking somewhat shaken, somewhat indifferent. Then after a few moments she vanished. I don't have confirmation... either it was only a dream, or it could be real sharing which she doesn't remember, or she remembers, but for some reason she doesn't mentions it. I don't want to ask about it because it could ruin experiment.

It still seems to me that there's something a bit off about how we're thinking about this. Imagine we're discussing our hobby of stalking people until we see them yawn or get a glimpse of them raising an arm. Isn't that a little bit creepy? I don't mean to spread fear about yawning or warn of the dire dangers of armpits. It just seems more appropriate to knock on the front door, just talk to a person.

Shadowofwind, it is not about forcing... It is about communication. How are you dealing with beings in astral or dreamworld? With respect or without care? If they don't know you are in their dream you are probably not there either. Much simpler explanation is: you have normal lucid dream.

I was dreaming of this thread today. hah. For some reason I was dreaming of posting in this thread and showing a picture of a worm who eats an apple.. Coulden't find the damn image in my dream tho. Real life internet is so much easier to use than the dreamnet.
Another thing that stood out is that a male figure not unlike the characteristics of Psionik was briefly trying to make contact with me. By virtue of this thread.


Look. This guy even has an astral chord!

As for sharing dreams and experiences, I really think my method works. Has anyone tried it yet? I know it is not yet complete and even think it is slightly flawed the way I put it . But close enough though.

I have had the feeling of hearing Sageous thinking' "Hmm. Interesting" just after I made my post.
And had some dreams of hanging out with slightly younger kids than usual. It might be Dawneye11.
Shadowofwind is on my mind in another way, for some reason we are sometimes thinking the same thoughts. Judging by some of his forum posts posted at the time I was conjuring up the same ideas. (For example; Egomaniacal lucid dreaming power-tripping as opposed to the more Windly Shared dreamers). Hard to convey this meme in one sentence.

Fearing armpits is another one of those scary things. I think there is a set-back mechanism for shared experiences that are forced or creepy. These things happen al the time in my opinion and it is really a matter of opinion wether things are creepy or not. But sometimes it helps not to share your dream experience for fear of the experience being misinerpreted for obsessive or creepy by someone unknowledgable about dream sharing. I do agree though, these things should be talked about and not done in secrecy. It feels much healthier in my opinion.

Why should I fear armpit? Is it some cultural thing of western world ???

As I wrote elsewhere, I don't fear of anyone of invading my dreams... They would be for big surprise if they turn malevolent, otherwise I'm harmless.

I tried your method but was unsuccessful to induce lucid dream.

I actually kind of like armpits. Unless hairy. Blehh. But that is probably the western culture operating on my brain.

I have to tell you a little secret. I have been secretly touching ur feet with a feather each time you fall asleep to make you jolt awake.

But my method is not for inducing a lucid dream. It is simply a waking exercise for creating a kind of connection or gate for future reference. The dreams happen spontaneously, I hope. The way I do it for myself is to think of a shared memory or an impression I have of someone. Ofcourse, another person might do it differently I literally pictured this connection as a wormhole between two people. My theory of why this would work is because I think shared dreams happen in this way all the time. We are simply not aware of actually doing it in this way.

I think it helps when you are focusing on your aura or have this kind of astral energy awareness. That's how it worked for me. You can try this while astral projecting. I did it while on shrooms. I focused on someone I know. The sensation I got is that warmth entered into my heart and the rest of my body as I literally started feeling like I was becoming that person for a time and soon enough almost all of my closed eyespace became littered with images and symbols and even colours having to do with that person.

Ach... Well I believe that this way is not functioning then. I tried to create connection in past for many years. None of targeted person did remember dream with me... And I had only a few dreams with them. I believe therefore, the way is through lucid dreams or OBE if I can take targeted person out of body(I'm doubtful I would manage such feat... But I try from time to time with my wife, children... or friends I have).

When I focus on person who is deeply connected to me, I also feel like that person is with me. I can even "speak" with person I concentrate on. But target person is unaware. Even if I try that when that person is next to me.

Lucid dream could function much better since the body is not material... only a thought. And there is a thing of lucidity... Best lucidity I feel by OBE.

I find it interesting that a girl from school that I barely know commented on having loads of dreams with me. I have about 2-3 dreams with her in it including one lucid dream where i had a conversation with her about her life that I know nothing about

Some lucidity is a big help. The nice thing about my method what works for me is that I can get to know things about people that I coulden't have known. Usually simple personality traits not really personal stuff or passwords or anything. But the person I interact with acts suprisingly much alike the person in real life. I don't think it is expectation. But indeed, these things have been really hard to confirm.

Maybe you have really strong talent for empathy on long distances.

Lol x D That worm's face. It's a cute pic though. Its funny that you say it might be me cause lately I've been having lots of dreams I'm hanging out with people who are younger than me or around my age. Its so populated its like there's a party in my head - w -

Originally Posted by Psionik

Shadowofwind, it is not about forcing... It is about communication. How are you dealing with beings in astral or dreamworld? With respect or without care? If they don't know you are in their dream you are probably not there either. Much simpler explanation is: you have normal lucid dream.

My yawning and saluting analogy doesn't seem to have connected, since I said nothing about forcing. So I'll try a couple other analogies.

My 6 year old son likes to hug people. There's nothing wrong with hugs. But he does it when people aren't asking for it and it makes them uncomfortable. I've told him that he can hug me whenever he wants to. But his mom and teachers are trying to get him to ask first with other people.

At my office, there are two system engineers who are engaged in a frantic passive-aggressive power struggle. They're friendly with each other, and always smiling and laughing, but meanwhile they're maneuvering to undermine the other person's work, and they say nasty things about each other when the other is out of the room. So they have made two largely disconnected worlds, a friendly one and a nasty one, and they live in both of them. These are both physical worlds, and there are also two emotional worlds. But how many worlds are there really?

The distinction between astral and dreamworld is specific to your paradigm. I've had experiences that are very strongly 'astral', in the most standard New-Age/Theosophical/astral-travel sense, and I've had experiences that are like other people's lucid and non-lucid dreams. But few of my sleeping mental experiences fall into either category. We were talking about sharing dreams with people who have physical bodies. I don't see that the distinctions between astral and physical are relevant to the point I was failing to form and communicate.

Why do we try to share dreams, when we already have a really, really powerful shared dream called waking life? One reason we do it is to try to prove that its possible. But you and I know its possible, so that's not our motive. Another reason is to try to connect in ways where we are blocked in waking life. But why are we blocked in those ways in waking life, what blocks us? Often the dream life is an evasion, a way of trying to have something that we want despite our own karma. Its like the two waking life worlds I described for my coworkers, that switch off depending on who is in the room. Often the obstacle is something in the conscious intent of the other person. That's often why we can't have the transcendent shared experience while talking to them directly while awake. My idea, which I'm developing for myself, and trying to share with you also, since I learn by talking with people, is to care more about the rightness of the relationship itself, and let the mundane psychic results fall where they may. I think an awful lot of our activity on this site, and I'm including my own, is confused in much the same way that my six year old son is confused about hugs. Sure you and I may be comfortable with hugs, but that doesn't mean that its always cool to sneak up and non-coercively hug people while they're distracted by something else. Sure they'll resist or not if they recognize what's happening, but most people aren't that lucid while asleep, they get confused about their feelings and can't tell what's them and what's someone else. One way to try to avoid such misunderstandings is to deal openly with people, and with disembodied spirits, though whatever channels are available. I tire of deception, of people treating other people like objects, and people trying to avoid things they don't want to admit by changing other people's words into what they want to. ("Hands all over"). I try very hard not to do that. I guess I've got other hangups though, same kind of crap in a different form.

I'm pretty much convinced now that the 'astral', 'mental', and 'spiritual' realms, by whatever names, are attempts to understand spirit in terms of ancient Greek ideas about the physical world. They are ideas, but they are ideas that can be touched and felt and experienced because they are imaginative, emotional, tactile ideas, and a lot of minds have added to them. I think the modern physics ideas we've tried to augment or replace them with are similarly suitable to the physical world, then imaginatively applied to transcendent matters. I guess we must try to understand spirit using physical metaphors. Even 'spirit' is a physical metaphor. But for me recognizing something of the extent to which we are doing this has been important.

If you think you don't agree, or don't understand, and don't want the hassle or discomfort of argument, I hope you just leave it alone. I think I don't have very much energy left for this. I'd hoped to make just one quick comment, and take it or leave it for what it is. But you responded as if I said something about forcing, and brought up the old astral vs non-astral controversy. I had time, so I tried to clarify. It seems that nothing I say this last month or so clarifies anything though, so more than not I'm inclined to just stop.

Thank you for your view on this thing. I mostly share your opinion.

My motives are mostly concentrated around the proof of possibility of extrasensory perception, real moving out of body. I have partial proofs, but that proofs are not irrefutable. And that is creating some feelings of doubts. I feel too atheistic... even if I believe through my experiences in possibility of transcended beings. I don't like the uncertainty.

I try to communicate through dreams or OBE with my wife(unbeliever), 2 friends(rather believing in possibility) and of course there is my brother whom I tutored in OBE induction. I tried it also with my daughters. For sake of experiment I can't mention what I experienced to people who I feel are easily influenced, I feel I can only share with my wife... Because I know her best and I know for sure she is not easily affected by imagination.

Dthoughts suggested to use emotional connection. So I created a strong feeling of being with friend... I opened myself and with that feeling in my being I created lucid dream where I succeed to place myself in front of her house. That running to friend and hugging her was probably induced by preparation for shared dream(that emotional bridge). Emotions are very strong... And I induced quite strong one. Her disappearance could mean two things. Either it woke her up, or it is my work (of my mind)- I stopped to concentrate on emotions and let everything go and I dropped to more or less emotionless state like I usually use by OBE and LD and therefore closed connection... I don't find the second possibility too probable, because things, characters in dream and OBE are not disappearing once I see them, much less when I hold them. She didn't mention anything therefore she probably doesn't remember anything.

I did less emotional more physical holding of my wife in hug while we went to sleep a few months ago. I successfully dragged her in hug into quite romantic LD(from my point of view) but she didn't remembered a thing. You can try it too Hold your wife in hug fast and induce an LD. (I did it through imagination of flying through simple tunnel composed of rings)If your wife knows how to induce an LD it could be more successful experiment.

That forcing thing- it come out of context. I'm not too good in understanding English even if I read nearly everything in it. As I read your reaction I heard in my mind like you are trying to say: "You can't share a dream, it is private thing. It is wrong to step into others dream." When I think about shared dreaming, or OBE meeting or simply on looking on people from astral to physical world I feel that it is alright, no damage or anything wrong is done. State of mind doesn't allow to do anything bad. The closest intimate thing I saw was sleeping friend. There was nothing else in my mind than being here and now with her. If she would be naked or what not, there would be the same thing. Being there and now. Observer state. Look on picture of triangle for example. Clear your mind, and simply observe it. It would be very close to what I would feel even if I see full sexual orgy. If not, it would cancel my OBE.
And there is also thing of reality. There is no affirmation that the meeting was real and not imagined.

I'm dimensional traveler, I like to walk... The pathway is my destination!

Thank you for elaborating, you are obviously coming from a more suffistocated perspective than most of us, Shadowofwind. So your opinion is greatly appreciated. Simply reading and interpreting your texts motivates me to change my behaviour with friends and other humans in the physical world.

I think you hit the nail with your points on what motivates us to share dreams in this fashion. I think that the scientific method for proving shared dreaming stems from a western viewpoint in which Shared dreaming is considered unreal but if proven would open the door for a whole can of other spiritual practices. Yet, the scientific method of shared dreaming is hauntingly cold and void of the spiritual essence which is supposed to be so vibrant in shared dreaming. The traditional usage of shared dreaming as far as I am aware is a shamanic practice for a teacher-student relationship in the spirit world.

Another reason for wanting to share dreams is because the dreaming mind experiences less inhibitions than it does so in the physical world. Physical/karmic consequences are less threatening. I think the impermanence of dreams are part of what motivates us to behave so uninhibited during the dream-state. Humans in the Astral/Dream-plane exhibit different guidelines and social rules than humans have in their Physical bodies. Who woulden't prefer this type of dream-sharing compared to the limitations of waking life?

But then you have Non-physical disembodied-spirits in the Astral/dream-plane and they have in my experience even more alienated Social rules and guidelines. Moral standards are much more different than in humans. And I think part of the goal of shared dreaming is to experience first-hand the differences that humans have over these Non-physical beings. I think one is not less than the other. But honestly, I think there is a certain jealousy on the part of Astral beings and likewise for us to them and I think that this realization is part of an important lesson that has consequences for the entire animal kingdom and applies to all beings of the human race. Just to elaborate on my point, I think that being a human in the dream plane is a practice for after-death experiences. And meeting humans in the dream plane and comparing those with astral inhabitants is important to find different flaws and pros for each "race" of beings.

Not sure if i am making perfect sense here but I am basing this on an experience I have had last week which was my deepest journey into other worlds thus far. My interactions with beings in there and humans amounted in the sudden remembrance ofpast dreams. But still, I am just scratching the surface of this rich and vibrant spiritual world.

I am reminded though of my first experience with Dream-sharing. In which I put so much intent in dream sharing with a certain girl from school. I talked about it with her. Interested her, even though she would not believe it. But I was so convinced of this being real there was just a slight thing that I am missing. At some point I simply took a single mushroom and had a thought that switched a link in my mind. And as if someone was watching over me and "gifting" me this experience I experienced myself Dying. Felt spiritual essence literally leak out of the top of my head (crown chakra) as I began to notice thousands of minds dreaming and speaking with other dreaming minds. and finally experienced my heart melt into her heart as our minds merged and an entire new energetic world started to form around the two of us.

The next day I got suprised because she literally tried to declare her love for me and maybe slightly disconcerned I failed to tell her of my experience. I think this experience would be infinitely more beautiful if we knew beforehand what we where getting into. If i had hold her at that moment in physical and could confirm this experience in person that would be great. But part of what spurred this was the apparent distance, I think. These days I am more looking forward to having shared experiences with people in my immediate surroundings. There's just a barrier of communication that I am trying to overcome.

Sorry if my post is overtly ambitious. I may have sidetracked a little bit in the last two paragraphs. But I think it connects with the point you where trying to make. Is that the waking dream is already a shared experience. We might as well connect on this plane and let all the other psychic remnants fall into place naturally. I think I now understand the point you where trying to make. And these subconscious meaningful experiences in dreams may be more useful if we let them happen naturally to facilitate our waking life experience as opposed to inducing them artificially. I think part of this has to do with our immature approach to spirituality. Thank you for sharing this, I think I understand now what you meant. Otherwise, correct me if i'm wrong!

I felt absolutely guilty for not talking to you Shadowofwind, by the way. As if I could feel that you thought there was something missing here. Hope i cleared up some of the air with this post.

*Presses post button reluctantly*

Could you ask for me when you meet someone on your walk, why I have astral world(to lesser degree also lucid dreams) without animals and almost without beings? It looks like I can't find answer on that question. No pressure, I know how it is hard to remember things I wanted to do before I do OBE and LD. I concentrate on being and forget almost everything else.

Originally Posted by Dthoughts

I think you hit the nail with your points on what motivates us to share dreams in this fashion. I think that the scientific method for proving shared dreaming stems from a western viewpoint in which Shared dreaming is considered unreal but if proven would open the door for a whole can of other spiritual practices. Yet, the scientific method of shared dreaming is hauntingly cold and void of the spiritual essence which is supposed to be so vibrant in shared dreaming. The traditional usage of shared dreaming as far as I am aware is a shamanic practice for a teacher-student relationship in the spirit world.

I was accused on other server that I'm shaman The way of travel out of body, the type of experiences I experience... I read very little about that practices and I prefer to go my way. But it is good to hear other opinions and about other methods. Worst time on spiritual voyage is when one becomes stuck somewhere.

Originally Posted by Dthoughts

I am reminded though of my first experience with Dream-sharing. In which I put so much intent in dream sharing with a certain girl from school. I talked about it with her. Interested her, even though she would not believe it. But I was so convinced of this being real there was just a slight thing that I am missing. At some point I simply took a single mushroom and had a thought that switched a link in my mind. And as if someone was watching over me and "gifting" me this experience I experienced myself Dying. Felt spiritual essence literally leak out of the top of my head (crown chakra) as I began to notice thousands of minds dreaming and speaking with other dreaming minds. and finally experienced my heart melt into her heart as our minds merged and an entire new energetic world started to form around the two of us.

The next day I got suprised because she literally tried to declare her love for me and maybe slightly disconcerned I failed to tell her of my experience. I think this experience would be infinitely more beautiful if we knew beforehand what we where getting into. If i had hold her at that moment in physical and could confirm this experience in person that would be great. But part of what spurred this was the apparent distance, I think. These days I am more looking forward to having shared experiences with people in my immediate surroundings. There's just a barrier of communication that I am trying to overcome.

Nice. It resembles one of my walk. I emerged from body into something I identified as budhic dimension(according some to internet page). That is certainly inconsequential. It was deepest spiritual experience I ever had. It is hard to describe feelings, timelessness, peacefulness... State of mind is hard to describe. I lived there for eons. I saw stars/souls. I was one of them. The universe looked light grey, stars were white dots. I had full 360 degrees sight. I saw also myself. I got to fly to one of stars and be one with it. After whole eons my resolution to fly had been built to extent I started to move and accelerate to that particular star. I didn't manage to do that before experience ended. I can't forget on this experience... I should fly again... Maybe something similar like you experienced is waiting for me.

Originally Posted by Dthoughts

Sorry if my post is overtly ambitious. I may have sidetracked a little bit in the last two paragraphs. But I think it connects with the point you where trying to make. Is that the waking dream is already a shared experience. We might as well connect on this plane and let all the other psychic remnants fall into place naturally. I think I now understand the point you where trying to make. And these subconscious meaningful experiences in dreams may be more useful if we let them happen naturally to facilitate our waking life experience as opposed to inducing them artificially. I think part of this has to do with our immature approach to spirituality. Thank you for sharing this, I think I understand now what you meant. Otherwise, correct me if i'm wrong!

I felt absolutely guilty for not talking to you Shadowofwind, by the way. As if I could feel that you thought there was something missing here. Hope i cleared up some of the air with this post.

*Presses post button reluctantly*

Touch the Sky

A million footprints, many without goal
Seeking wild adventures, ways to unknown lands
Don't make the same mistake and use the common path
Don't only dream about, but reach out for the stars

If you don't dare to climb the mountain
You won't ever touch the sky

If you don't dare to climb the mountain
You won't ever touch the sky

If you don't dare to go the wrong way
You will never start to climb
If you don't dare to climb the mountain
You won't ever touch the sky

If you don't dare to cross the ocean
You won't ever get to know
If you don't step beyond your boundaries
You won't ever touch the sky

You won't ever touch the sky

Thanks for your replies Psionik and Dthoughts. I'd have responded but I've been busy with work and family.

Dthoughts, maybe you understand what I meant. I'm not sure that I understand what I meant.

I'm motivated largely by a dissatisfaction with the status quo, the way we live by preying on each other, and on other animals. Is an alternative even possible? Most people who share these concerns look to spirituality as a solution, and I think that's part of the answer. But I also see our spirituality as being another facet of the same general problem, and that without adjustments, our spirituality leads in big cycles to where we are now, not to something better. My spiritual problems and my job and family problems are pretty much the same kind of thing, in different forms. So I look for what else is possible, the key to something better. Dream phenomena arose naturally for me as a part of this, but it only helps my goal if approached the right way. So I look and interact and try to find what that right way is.

I don't have time to complete this thought or answer you better, I have to work today. But here's a couple of quick images to share from my dreams these past couple of days. Both of these are parables relating to my spiritual questions, which I guess must be at least obliquely related to what you guys are dreaming about too.

I dream of seeing the moon, and although the moon is rough with craters and whatnot, it is reflecting like a perfect mirror, and I can see my wife and daughter reflected in it. I try to walk closer to see better. But of course when you walk towards the moon it seems to move away, since it is so far away and you see it move relative to things close to you.

I dream of being in a CD store, and seeing some rare Black Sabbath live albums. I want to know who is singing, since the band had four vocalists that I know of, and I want to buy one that has Ian Gillian. But the CD inserts unfold into huge pages packed with text, more than I can read in a short dream, and I don't see a band member listing anywhere. It occurs to me at the end that I could just ask to put the CD on the player and see who it is that way. [Edit: Since I know the voices. This image might make more sense if I also mention the Gillan also starred as Jesus in an Andrew Lloyd Webber production. One meaning is to take the most direct route possible when seeking answers to existential questions, because even if you get an answer some other way there's no way to tell if its right or not.]

Yesterday while bored at a Padres/Marlins baseball game (my sons were in the choir that sung the national anthem), my 6 year old son asked me what or who made the big bang happen. Later before he went to bed he also asked me what makes me happy. I told him that if he could find what made him ask those two questions, then he would have the answer to the question about the big bang. The second question about happiness seems to me to be important also. Of course everyone tries to be happy, but finding the answer to that is like finding the answer to the first question also I think.