Thread: Who is the dreamer when you are not lucid?

Are dreams real, even if they are not experienced with lucidity?

I mean all dreams, lucid or not are both real and not real, it depends how you apply the definition of the word.

If you mean real by the persistent waking reality that we experience outside of the dream state, then no. As far as modern science is concerned dreams have no perceivable impact on the waking world. (You could be pedantic and say they do in the sense of possibly affecting your brain, not any major effects.) If by real you mean real by the standards of your personal consciousness, perceptions and memories, then yes, dreams are very real.

A lucid dream might feel more realistic, in that through using dream stabilization or simply being lucid in the dream and able to choose how to interact with it can make the experience more vivid and lifelike.

Thanks.

Yes - I suspect non-lucid dreams are just as real as lucid ones.
Subjectively, anything which one experiences can be considered to being real.

One audio book I listened to described a study that was done that included weight lifters becoming lucid and working out in there lucid dreams which led to a 13% increase in muscle mass in waking life, some sports men and women use lucid dream to perfect movements or skills which translate to physical improvement and confidence.

Lucid dreaming is also being used to heal mental disorders by some psychiatrists so even if you conclude dreams aren’t real there is a cross over into the real world.

Spoiler for Lucid dream:

I am not asking whether lucid dreaming is real or not. I am being specific to non-lucid dreaming re the OPQ.

Originally Posted by VVilliam

I am not asking whether lucid dreaming is real or not. I am being specific to non-lucid dreaming re the OPQ.

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Dreams are a universal human experience that may be described as a state of consciousness characterized by sensory, cognitive, and emotional occurrences during sleep.
Non-lucid Dreams may be characterized by primary consciousness, bizarreness, and cognitive deficits, lacking metacognition.
I can go on, but this is like jumping down a rabbit hole because as much research on neurology or psychology, we are only scratching the surface of how our brain truly works. But, suspect that Non-lucid is real but, real all dreams are hallucinations.. (imo)

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Originally Posted by Lang

Dreams are a universal human experience that may be described as a state of consciousness characterized by sensory, cognitive, and emotional occurrences during sleep.
Non-lucid Dreams may be characterized by primary consciousness, bizarreness, and cognitive deficits, lacking metacognition.
I can go on, but this is like jumping down a rabbit hole because as much research on neurology or psychology, we are only scratching the surface of how our brain truly works. But, suspect that Non-lucid is real but, real all dreams are hallucinations.. (imo)

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Thanks for moving this thread to the right spot.

My question is open to anyone.

My answer currently is that anything I experience is real, whether it is the experience of lucid dreaming, or just normal dreaming where I have been interacting even that I have snippets of having consciously done so.

Those snippets are real.

What we call "Dreaming" appears to be the way in which one interacts with the vaster aspect of our self - our subconscious "team mates" who are doing things behind the scenes and we can connect with these in many ways as well as dreams... such as lucid dreaming, OBE, NDE, Certain plant ingestion, Chemicals, Theism, Message Boards, Message Generation systems, et al and none are more relevant or any better or different in achieving connection and interaction with the Dream Team than any other. ALL are valid in relation to anyone's subjective reality experience.

Hallucinations? It has not been established that consciousness solely emerges from brains. We do not even know if we exist within a created thing or not let alone be able to make positive claims that we and our experience is only a hallucination we call 'real' because we are experiencing it as such.

Obviously in relation to dreaming of any type, such can be seen [re opinion] through nontheist filters as well as theistic ones.

I am open to either interpretation, but based upon the evidence so far, I am more inclined toward the notion we are experiencing real things, be they in dreamland or wakeland, makes no difference. {also imo}