Thread: 5000 year old WILD technique. Very easy, and very effective.

A small update on the technique: to concentrate on the pineal with sending energy to it by controlled breathing. I found that when i was exhaling slowly the energy was going from my belly down to the spine and then up the spine to the head. The whole process somehow creates a feeling of a closed circle. When exhale the power goes to the head and with inhaling the power goes back to the belly but somehow the energy is emitted from the head and reaches the belly through the air. At least thats how i felt it.

Question connected to the technique in this thread which i wanted to ask for some time but i was forgeting about it. Now i remembered so here it is.

Anyone ever tried to point a knife at the spot in between the eyes? Or any kind of sharp object? I prefer knifes
Anyways the feeling is the same. Very strong vibration in the area there and the longer i do it the stronger the feeling. I start with the knife on the skin then i move it away but still pointing to that area. Then just slowly move it back and forth. I was doing that plus increasing the distance between the knife and the skin. After a while i was able to feel the knife from quite a distance as the length of my arm allowed. I was able to put the knife back on my skin from whatever distance with closed eyes just using the strong feeling as guide. Weird stuff but ... works Unfortunately then i was not thinking about connection to pineal gland or dreams. Have to try it again and will report Still it may be that it stimulates the pineal in some way.

i tried something like this last night, and got to a stage where there was a white circle in the middle of the blackness. i moved it towards me a little, but it was tricky to maintain and it eventually faded out

yeahhh!! I did the DEILD technique again last night! just woke up from it! wanted to share! this is a GREAT technique! i totally had an "almost" convincing false awakening, but it happened in the WRONG house, i was sort of unsure if it was a dream or not (at first) so i pretended to sleep walk. then i was staring at the sunrise and thinking (wow, this dream is REALLY convincing) haha!

I'll definitely try this out. Just to get it straight: what you do is concentrate on the spot where the third eye is located while falling asleep/WILDing? (I already knew of this meditation technique and used it, but I never imagined it to be this usefull O.O Ty for posting it)

Only one problem in this...
As the time goes we loose concentration over our third eye...

I tried using this technique for hours but instead of a lucid dream, I just got a headache.

Originally Posted by bakbaba

I tried using this technique for hours but instead of a lucid dream, I just got a headache.

Yes this happens to me too. I am wondering if my 3rs eye is already too open already so I moved on to others.

Really good post chaybaChayba ! However, it seems similar to the Suneye method by Joe Russa .

i completely agree with ChaybaChayba. focusing on that point and your breath while clearing the mind is a great way to open your third eye(pineal gland). you can also practise the soham mantra for a while to help focus your attention inwards. look it up on google if you havent heard of it.

Originally Posted by ChaybaChayba

Dreams only occuring in rem-state is nothing but an urban legend.

ahhh! Yes thank you finally someone who thinks this like I do. XD I believe dreams just happen when your spirit is out of your body, and then dreams are translated by the subconscious/unconscious mind in split-seconds as you are awakening back into your physical body.

Originally Posted by ChaybaChayba

Yeah indeed good point, the center of your mind is more accurate, but It's easier to locate the center of your forehead instead of the center of your mind IMO. Concentrating on the center of your forehead, between the eyebrows, will also activate the center of your mind. It's the same thing.

I find that simply focusing energy on my head generally, not specifically on my forehead, and on numbing my body does the trick. I used to use this method for channeling attempts and tried it for WILDing at bedtime and I almost got it! Maybe instead of trying to shift my attention somehow onto having a lucid dream and questioning how will it feel etc I should simply continue to focus energy on my head.

I find that I have done this technique my whole life, after I realized when I was about 8 that if I focused on breathing I could control my awareness. Honestly it is a natural process I go through every night, I will focus on breathing for a bit to put my attention inward, that alone stimulates my pineal gland. Dont ask me how, but I just assume its from lots of conscious focus on my pineal gland while learning astral projection. Another thing that I have noticed that I do is I will squint alot to keep my attention on my forehead. This does two things that are important to me 1) Focuses my attention on my pineal gland and 2) shuts down my visual center, which allows me to relax and have my intuition in control. I feel like this is something I can do every night that should show results and without too much effort either.

Sorry for bringing up an old thread but I just tried this technique and my eyes keep vibrating/flickering is that normal? and i am getting vibrations but only in my head not the rest of my body then after that i dont really know what to do :l

I just tried this like an hour ago, after reading just the original post, I put on my headphones, blasting Metallica (Black album for the heavy beats), sat back on my couch and closed my eyes. I notice when my headphones are on with music playing, that my mind naturally won't race around or anything, it actually just gets silent, which is really nice. But after a while, multiple things happened using visualization (or at least close to it since I don't see clearly when I visualize).

1. I pictured rubbing the skin off the area of my forehead where my third eye is, not bloody or anything, but like the skin fell off like paint. I had a little success with doing this.
2. I imagined a strong beam of light coming down to that area and more or less pulsating against the area as if to try and break through my skull to the center of my brain, where the actual gland is. I had a little more success with this.
3. I imagined a bird with its feet on my eyes (or claws, whatever birds' feet are called) and it pecked at the third eye area similar to how the crow did to Eric Draven's tombstone in The Crow. This helped out a bit.
4. Then out of no where, it was like I was looking down on my physical body, and I was hovering over it, and I took two really long nails, smiled at my physical body and drove them through my temples with a harsh force, so that the tips would be at that gland. When I did this, it felt as if I were going into a seizure, but I've never been scared of SP or anything, so I went with it. Then my "spirit self" took two more long nails, drove one through the base of my skull (like they do in The Matrix I think) and then I just floated there for a bit, smiling down at my physical body, and then with the final one, I drove it through the third eye area. When I did this, I went into another type of mini seizure where my whole body was shaking and it felt as though the center of my brain became alive and aware. My "spirit self" floated back and stared at my physical body, smiling as usual (guess I smile a lot) and then the ends of the nails lit up like huge balls of light. This is where I came out of it and opened my eyes.

Any ideas what was going on with the last one? Was I where I needed to be? Should I have done something else at that point to enter the dream world?

Wow Gan, that's fascinating. Was it like you were experiencing both "Bodies" at the same time in sort of a paradoxical way? You should describe this in detail more. I'm really interested.

Just a quick note after reading on the first page here...

The Third-Eye chakra is like a flower made of energy which opens in the middle of your forehead, between and just above your eyes, but it actually does have roots in the upper area of your spine. I forget the exact name - somewhere where spine connects to the head. I'm still learning about this. For beginners (like me!) it's usually easier to focus on where the energy blooms outside or on the body instead of the root in the spine.

You can also use the 6th and 7th chakras, seeing the one you choose as a sort of door, to leave the body. I imagine you could use the 7th chakra to also consciously enter an LD.
- DreamBliss

Originally Posted by DreamBliss

Just a quick note after reading on the first page here...

The Third-Eye chakra is like a flower made of energy which opens in the middle of your forehead, between and just above your eyes, but it actually does have roots in the upper area of your spine. I forget the exact name - somewhere where spine connects to the head. I'm still learning about this. For beginners (like me!) it's usually easier to focus on where the energy blooms outside or on the body instead of the root in the spine.

You can also use the 6th and 7th chakras, seeing the one you choose as a sort of door, to leave the body. I imagine you could use the 7th chakra to also consciously enter an LD.
- DreamBliss

Brainstem is what you're looking for Tibetan dream yoga believes that the brainstem and base of throat are the centre of creativity chakras.

Originally Posted by Ajna

I've also entered dreams through meditation but more often than not (since I can't achieve a full lotus posture) my head drops forward and I wake myself up just as I'm immersing into the hypnogogic imagery... I think its better to maintain yourself in the altered state at the threshold of theta and sleep... at the threshold of the veil.

I do something similar on a regular basis. Usually in the morning when I get up unless I have to go to work or something and also before I go to bed. What is weird when I do it though is I never get the hypnogogic imagery and I don't remember ever getting it even when I was a child. It is like I start to fade out and it is kinda like putting on an old television. The thing turns on, you start to hear voices and see the outlines of images and as the tubes warm up the images get brighter and clearer until finally they are a full blown dream. Generally I do it in Full Lotus posture, but i find corpse position (laying down) works just as well when that is not an option (like when I am camping and I don't feel like doing it in the mud or on the wet floor of the tent). Generally what I do is let the energy run up and down my spine for a bit and then decide what chakra to "stop" it at. I find that using different chakras creates different imagery (for example anahata (heart) or anja (pineal gland) often creates a projection of myself for me to walk through...kinda like a self psychoanalysis while activation of swadisthana (stomach) or muldahra (groin) often creates things of a shall we say "red hot" earthy nature .

I'm going to try this tonight. I wonder, though, does this bypass Hypnogogic Hallucinations?

Originally Posted by MissLucy

I'm going to try this tonight. I wonder, though, does this bypass Hypnogogic Hallucinations?

It will probably induce more vivid hypnagogia, it's what I find anyway.

Flip. I HATE hypnagogia. With a passion. Hmph, guess this one isn't for me after all, then. Sorry guys. I'll get over my fear of them first, and then try this.

Hey guys, I posted my situation on a separate post here, but nobody answered anything. I said I can get the area tingling, sometimes up to the point of hurting a little, even right now as I write this lines it's happening again.

I have yet to have my first LD, so far no success. But thinking about this, is this a path to more lucid daydreams? I guess I could use that for now. Last week, when I seated cross-legged, hands on my knees and closed eyes concentrating in that area (It was already tingling) I started to visualize myself (in first-person) awakening in a swimming pool looking up on some palm trees (I guess Miami or LA style). I was weird, It wasn't really daydreaming, it was something else, but the excitement and other distraction (Neighbour's noise) got the best of me and I haven't been able to get there again. (Of course, I've only done this 2 more times, and not that long or relaxed, so I have faith).

But then is good I can induce this state almost everytime I try (and sometimes withouth trying)?

I have a little fear also, since I've read something about awakening the third eye being something that could gave you more than you're bargaining for...

Thanks.

Please don't necro-post in an old thread. It would be much better to start your own new thread.