Thread: Gemstones & Crystals for Dreaming

Nice.
I have a bunch of such stones as well. Used to collect them. WHo didn't?

I have a tiger's eye, 2 stones that COULD be Danburite, and serveral others I cannot identify.

Under the pillow sais you? I guess it wouldn't kill me to try.
Maybe I'll try it with the Tiger's eye tonight as that's the only one I can positively identify for now.

Oh god if you really beleive in this.. I hate the fact that the human brain is Hard-Wired to think theres a deeper meaning in everything.. Theese things are just stones, pretty stones, very pretty.. But they have no special property other than looking fine and having a slight psychological effect, and some of them pulsing out small electrical currents..

It would be fun if it actually worked..

A lil edit:

Maybe they work, in the psycological way, even though i beleive in Jesus i got a wooden figure of a brazillian equalivent of god (Enkanga or something), and i feel safe and protected by having it.. But i know that there is no such thing as special super duper paranormal cosmic ray stone of might, only in Roleplaying games like Oblivion..

Could be fun to try one though.. I am always drawed by the mystic..

Originally Posted by Onforty

Oh god if you really beleive in this.. I hate the fact that the human brain is Hard-Wired to think theres a deeper meaning in everything.. Theese things are just stones, pretty stones, very pretty.. But they have no special property other than looking fine and having a slight psychological effect, and some of them pulsing out small electrical currents..

It would be fun if it actually worked..

A lil edit:

Maybe they work, in the psycological way, even though i beleive in Jesus i got a wooden figure of a brazillian equalivent of god (Enkanga or something), and i feel safe and protected by having it.. But i know that there is no such thing as special super duper paranormal cosmic ray stone of might, only in Roleplaying games like Oblivion..

Could be fun to try one though.. I am always drawed by the mystic..

Hey I never said I believe it. I also can't say I don't believe it.
The truth is I don't know. And neither do you. if you'd be honoust.

The only way to know is to try. Too bad my Insomnia is tearing me a new one lately and I didn't get to sleep once again last night. I'll try again tonight if I will be able to sleep.

You know Onforty. You shouldn't rule out the possibility that it may actually work just because it sounds/feels unlikely. You'd be surprised how many pehomena which I deemed unlikely and purely symbolical I found to be litterally true when I stopped dismissing the possibility and went to find out.
We( you and I and other sceptics) simply don't know so let's find out.

Originally Posted by Onforty

Oh god if you really beleive in this.. I hate the fact that the human brain is Hard-Wired to think theres a deeper meaning in everything.. Theese things are just stones, pretty stones, very pretty.. But they have no special property other than looking fine and having a slight psychological effect, and some of them pulsing out small electrical currents..

It would be fun if it actually worked..

A lil edit:

Maybe they work, in the psycological way, even though i beleive in Jesus i got a wooden figure of a brazillian equalivent of god (Enkanga or something), and i feel safe and protected by having it.. But i know that there is no such thing as special super duper paranormal cosmic ray stone of might, only in Roleplaying games like Oblivion..

Could be fun to try one though.. I am always drawed by the mystic..

Eh, I don't really care if it's real or not, if it helps me dream I'm for it.

Anyways, I found 3 pieces of amethyst. Hopefully they'll help me. I also have a bunch of random quartz. I guess I'll have to take the time to try and identify them.

I normally wouldn't post something like this at risk of being called a troll, but I'm just too damn curious.

I've never heard of anything like this outside the context of a videogame/fantasy environment. Can somebody explain what this whole crystal thing is?

In a more general sense:

• Is this in any way scientific? Or is this based on religion/astrology/superstition of some sort?

More specifically:

• What do you mean by Energy? I don't imagine you are saying that these crystals are radioactive(if they were, I definitely wouldn't want to put them under my pillow)
• You are extremely specific on the capabilities of each of these stones. Where did this information come from? Case studies? Anecdotal?

The further I read, the more confused I become(healing powers? negative energy?) Hopefully somebody can elaborate.

Originally Posted by Dew

• What do you mean by Energy?

Think of it this way, everything is energy. Everything has a vibration/frequency to it. Think of human brain waves - our brains run within a certain range of frequencies. And so does our body for that matter. The belief is that stones, all stones, also radiate a type of frequency/energy. Which interacts and effects our own.

Hey Aquanina

I don't know if you already know this but if i were you i would get myself a Rhodizite crystal they are the master crystal It becomes quite obvious how they earned their title when you work with these incredible stones

Its energy enhances visionary ability, distance viewing, telepathy, and other psychic abilities by 'blowing open' the visionary center at the third-eye. It is an excellent stone to use in meditation, particularly if you desire out-of-body experience, astral travel, of interdimensional viewing.

Rhodizite's energy can be intense, even though the crystals are often quite tiny. When used in combination with grounding stones, this ally will help to ground your Light body into the physical, at the cellular level. It enhances dream work and can assist with lucid dreaming. Rhodizite is also helpful in viewing past, future or alternative lives while remaining emotionally seperate from them.

These crystals have the remarkable ability to amplify the energy and properties of any stone by over ten-fold. Rhodizite has a very unique & strange property. When paired with another stone they exhibit a noticeable magnetic attraction. Even though there is no magnetic minerals in this stone, they will almost attach to other stones on their own. This can only be explained metaphysically when you understand the main property of Rhodizite as a Master Teacher and an amplifier of other crystals' energies.

I can't believe no one's mentioned kyanite.



Kyanite is one of those rare stones that do not require cleansing, as it doesn't retain negative vibrations. The stone can be used to aid in dream recall and stimulates healing dreams. Blue kyanite also promotes lucid dreaming.

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My philosophy: as far as placebos go, gemstones are pretty harmless. Of course, this rationalization limits their effectiveness as a placebo in my case. I try not to think about it too much.

Thanks for pulling up this thread Today I will be visiting my parents, where I left all of my crystals/minerals when I moved some years ago. So this came up just in time to remind me to check for what might be waiting there for me (except for coffee and cake )

I have to ask, where are you all getting your information? I'm open to the ideas but it all sounds untested and unfalsifiable. The first thing that comes to mind whenever I hear people making claims like the ones in here is, "how do you know?"

Originally Posted by Xaqaria

I have to ask, where are you all getting your information? I'm open to the ideas but it all sounds untested and unfalsifiable. The first thing that comes to mind whenever I hear people making claims like the ones in here is, "how do you know?"

Look nobody is asking you to believe anything if you want to know where this information can be found a simple search wouldn't hurt? it wouldn't take more than 15 mins but instead you will spend 15 seconds asking everyone else where is the proof? you have to seek knowledge out it doesn't slap you in the face

I asked the same question a few posts up, so I'll jut in here...

While I understand how you might interpret such a question as an attack on your beliefs, it is quite the opposite.

I(and I believe Xaqaria) did not intend to disrespect or offend anybody by asking; rather, the question is asked with an openness and genuine curiosity about wanting to understand your beliefs.This sort of attitude is pervasive among these boards, and should warrant nothing but positive and informative communication.

I actually did search around for an hour or so before posting my question; Most material I found was similar to the content on this page, but did not provide the answers I was looking for. It is a strength of forums-based discussion that we can communicate personally with individuals like yourselves with innate knowledge of the subject matter. Your input is valuable, and that is why we asked for it.

Originally Posted by SLiCeR

Look nobody is asking you to believe anything if you want to know where this information can be found a simple search wouldn't hurt? it wouldn't take more than 15 mins but instead you will spend 15 seconds asking everyone else where is the proof? you have to seek knowledge out it doesn't slap you in the face

I find his question legitimate.

Sure, there are a dozen sites which states the properties of the stones, but how did they get the information? He would not be seeking knowledge out, but just beliefs in this case. For it to be knowledge he would need personal experience with it.

Personally, I think the stones are not magical in any way. They are just used to focus the intent of the consciousness that uses them as a tool. It's just a tool to focus intent. Consciousness is the active ingredient, not the stones. If a belief system is created and certain attributes are given the the stones, it will just be a tool that is limited to those attributes given by the belief system. For example, there could be a community on a remote place without internet who uses the same stones, but the properties given to the stones are practically reversed. What happens here? Are they wrong? Are you wrong? Wrong question, neither is wrong or right, because it is the consciousness that is important, not the stones.

The same applies to astrology, do you think that the position of the heavens and dates really matter? No, they do not. When the astrologer looks at these "parameters" there is a lot of uncertainty and therefore a lot of wiggle-room for interpretation. It is in the interpretation of the heavens one can gain information, not in the heavens themselves. It is the consciousness that interprets something with the intent of gaining some information, the heavens is just the tool for the mind to focus that intent.

I'm going to have to go with Specialis Sapientia on this one.

It's all the power of belief.

If you believe these stones will work without questioning it, it probably WILL work for you. Same thing with herbs, charms, sigils, praying to jesus, or whatever.

Why pay big bucks for these stones, when you can achieve the same effect by going into a deep trance/hypnotic state and imprinting the suggestion or intent into your subconscious for the free.

Ooo this thread just reminded me that I had a pretty amazing dream about this stone the other day...I really want one. It is Larimar, the Dolphin Stone. It's so beautiful! In the dream I was in the sea and I discovered this gorgeous stone on the ocean bottom.

I understand why some people think that gemstones and crystals are just placebo or a matter of focusing intent and such, but I am quite sure that there is a little something more to it than that. If you spend a bit of time for yourself researching how and why crystals work like they do, you might get a better understanding as to why nearly every culture throughout history has used crystals and stones in ceremonies and healing.

Here is some information I have found when researching about crystals for myself. I encourage anyone who might be interested in such matters to do their own research though.

The reason why crystals and gemstones are powerful healing tools is because of what science calls its piezoelectric effect. Piezoelectric means that the crystals have the ability to constantly resonate/vibrate as a specific electro-magnetic frequency. This specific vibration can be harnessed and used for electical out put (this effect can be observed with modern quartz watches). Crystals and gemstones respond to the array of electro-magnetic frequencies that are coursing through our body, and if the energy is out of balance, the constant electrical vibrations of the stones will help to harmonize, balance, and stimulate these energies.

A natural crystal by definition means it has a very consistent arrangement of atoms. In quartz these atoms vibrate at a stable and measurable frequency. These characteristics make quartz an excellent receiver and emitter of electro-magnetic energy. This is why quartz is commonly used in radios, watches, and numerous electronic technologies. One interesting characteristic of quartz crystal (known as the piezoelectric effect) can be observed when electricity is applied. The quartz crystal will produce a small electrical current and is taken advantage of in the workings of a typical quartz watch.

The conversion of quartz crystals into silicon chips has transformed the world, allowing us to use technologies such as computers, mobile phones and radios. Silicon chips allow for the precise storage of specific information computers and other electronics. An early pioneer of silicon chip technology was Nobel prize-winning scientist Marcel Vogel. He made an important discovery while working as a research scientist for IBM that questioned the belief systems of his scientific peers. Vogel noticed that not only can crystals be programmed as silicon chips in a computer, but they also can be programmed with the energy of our consciousness. When a person uses a computer thoughts are directed by pressing on a keyboard. That information is stored in the computer's silicon chips via the medium of electricity. Vogel reasoned that like electricity, thought is a form of energy, which can be given direction by our intention. He concluded that crystals could also be programmed without the need for electricity, by using just thoughts as the informational energy. Vogel designed various experiments to validate his quantum theories. Like all groundbreaking alternative scientists (such as Reich or Emoto), the mainstream scientific community disregarded his findings.

The ability of quartz crystals to transform energy and be programmed by clear thought patterns is recognized and used by many reiki masters, spiritual teachers and healers to assist individuals in their pursuit of a healthy and happy life. Quartz crystals are truly unique, there is no question that they have the ability to learn and reproduce simple, yet powerful patterns, as demonstrated by today’s digital technology. In some circumstances it might be perceived that quartz crystals are magical. But the power within quartz crystals has been substantially demonstrated using simple science.

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We’ll deal with some of the scientific possibilities first. The first and probably most up to date theory comes from the realms of quantum physics and is to do with vibrational energy and space. Science has now proven that everything in the Universe is in a constant state of vibration. Even apparently solid and inanimate objects are moving down at the atomic level. If you took an electron microscope and looked into anything, however solid to the naked eye, you would find lots of space within, much more space than matter in fact. It seems that really the world and everything in it is made of energy which is in vibration.

Because of their crystalline lattice structure crystals are very good at holding a stable vibration. We, on the other hand, are an incredibly complex mix of vibrations and they can get easily disturbed and go out of balance, which is when we get ill. Lots of things can affect our vibration, from external influences such as electromagnetic and geopathic stress, to internal ones such as constant negative thought patterns and suppressing emotions. When a crystal therapist places a crystal on a client or in their aura they are trying to find the right healing vibration for the client. When the right crystal is placed its steady vibration helps the body reset itself. Sometimes this comes along with an emotional or energetic release and there can be tears or shaking. This is a good sign!

Colour theory is closely allied to the model outlined above. Visible light can be refracted into a spectrum of rainbow colours. Each colour has its own vibrational frequency and wavelength. Colours can be used as a tool for rebalancing the energies of the client, introducing the client to a light frequency that brings their energy back into harmony. As crystals have colour they can be applied as colour healing tools. Quartz and other clear crystals can be viewed as like working with white light.

Another theory is based on the crystalline structure. There are seven crystal structures and each crystal forms according to its structure. Sometimes we can see the structure externally in the shape of the crystal, for example in the hexagonal structure of beryls such as aquamarine, or the cubic structure of iron pyrites or fluorite.

There are several theories about how different structures of crystals can be healing. Some link the structures to the chakras. Michael Gienger has probably evolved the most interesting theory which he explains in his book Crystal Power, Crystal Healing: The Complete Handbook. He argues that just as there are seven structures in crystals there are seven corresponding personality types in humans and we all have a dominant one. He then uses crystals on a ‘like heals like basis’. My students generally rather enjoy placing themselves and people they know into crystal structure types!

We are moving into rather more esoteric territory. Think of this. Crystals are part of Mother Earth and help connect us back into our Earth Mother. We tend to live lives that are rather divorced from Nature and using these beautiful stones can remind us that we are part of this planet. Many think that our disconnection from the natural realms is the underlying cause of many of our ailments whether they be physical, emotional, mental or spiritual.

Most crystals formed millennia ago. They are stable and enduring whereas our lives are full of turmoil and brief in comparison. Our spirit however is eternal and most crystal healers believe we are reborn many times. Holding a crystal can remind us of our eternal nature and steady us. Crystals can also link us to ancient times and ancient wisdom. Healers are often drawn to healing with crystals because they have done so before. For many it is more a remembering than a learning when they start to use them as healing tools. Some crystals, such as record keeper quartzes are believed to hold secrets of ancient knowledge imprinted within them.

Many healers believe that crystals are co-creators with us. Although modern humanity may view crystals as ‘lifeless lumps of rock’ traditional peoples saw them as having their own form of consciousness. Native Americans refer to crystals as the ‘Stone people’. When you get to know your crystals at this level it is possible to communicate with them. They have lessons to teach us, and because crystals don’t run around with ‘to do’ lists they have never lost their contact with their inner wisdom. Some people ‘channel’ knowledge from their crystals. Stones Alive! (More Crystals and New Age) by Twintreess lets the crystals do all the talking.

Many crystal healers believe that crystals can have their own devas, spirits with their own consciousness that care for and enliven the crystal. Shamanic journeying techniques and meditations with crystals are the easiest ways to make contact with these spirits. Often they have wisdom to convey and will communicate or show you things, but sometimes they don’t want to be disturbed. Please be respectful, you are a visitor in their world.

So whether you are a dyed in the wool scientist or a mystic you can see that there are many possible ways that crystals can bring about a healing response. I know they do beyond any reasonable doubt and look forward to the day that they are accepted as a healing modality just as valid as herbalism or homeopathy.

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Each crystal also has an energetic vibration. The energy of a crystal again varies depending on what type of crystal it is. Citrine is a yellow crystal and when we look at the colour yellow we feel happier and energised. Citrine’s energy also is light, positive and energises us, allowing us to feel more positive and recharging our zest for life on all levels. Darker crystals such as obsidian, bloodstone (heliotrope), brown jaspers and black tourmaline have a slower, grounding vibration and so when we wear one of these crystals we feel more centred, grounded and our behaviour tends to be quieter and not so up in the air. We also have an energetic vibration, our bodies are made up of energy and matter and a large proportion is water. When we hold, wear or have crystals placed on our body, the energy of the crystal attunes with our individual energy and works at creating the best possible balance at that time. You can wear more than one crystal at a time, when having a crystal therapy treatment many crystals are placed on and around the body at the same time. Some crystals are good to place under your pillow to help you sleep better, some crystals are good to hold and meditate with and others are great to wear in your pockets or around your neck. Crystals can work on emotional, spiritual, mental and physical levels, shifting and subtly changing our energies. Sometimes the change in our energies can be obvious e.g if a person was in shock their energy would be all over the place, erratic and floating about in the ether. By holding a piece of black tourmaline or black calcite their energies would be pulled back down to their feet, helping them to feel grounded and more with it. Other crystals we can wear for a couple of weeks and notice only fine, subtle changes. Crystals can help us to change rigid mental patterns, emotionally level and calm us so we can move forward on our path in a balanced manner, and spiritually connect us to higher universal energies, angels, guides and our own inner knowing deep inside our soul.

In Castaneda's book, Don Juan told Castaneda to tape a quartz crystal to his solar plexus for dreaming purposes. I don't recall the specifics, just throwing it out there.

I once Taped moldovite to my third eye. I had the most intense nightmare i ever had...

But not surprising since it comes from outer space.

Originally Posted by Xaqaria

I have to ask, where are you all getting your information? I'm open to the ideas but it all sounds untested and unfalsifiable. The first thing that comes to mind whenever I hear people making claims like the ones in here is, "how do you know?"

You mean, "How do you know that people from the random internet sites you're getting your information from aren't just making shit up?" We really, really don't. If it makes you feel better, they're all plagiarizing each other.

I agree with Specialis, though. Stones are used to focus intent. It's less important what the general consensus is than the properties that you ascribe to the stone as an individual.

Originally Posted by Specialis Sapientia

Personally, I think the stones are not magical in any way. They are just used to focus the intent of the consciousness that uses them as a tool.

This.

Why pay big bucks for these stones

Because they're pretty and I like collecting them.

The only thing I don't like about those articles you posted, Nina, is that they mix fact and hearsay and misinformation together and present it all as the same. For instance, it calls Masaru Emoto a "groundbreaking alternative scientist" that the mainstream scientific community has disregarded; no doubt referring to the emotion water crystal project of his. The fact is though, he himself recognizes that it is not scientific and is merely interesting art.

The first one relies heavily on the piezoelectric effect to give it credibility, but piezoelectricity doesn't have to do with crystals vibrating at a certain frequency directly. The piezoelectric effect is an electrical charge given off by some crystals when stress is applied to them (squeezed) and inversely, a change in shape when an electrical current is applied to them. The other thing is, not all crystals exhibit piezoelectricity, only ones with a certain crystal structure do.

The specificness of the frequency at which the crystals resonate is not due to piezoelectricity at all, and is just inherent in every uniform material. A piezoelectric crystal is not constantly giving off a particular electromagnetic frequency. Only when it is squeezed and then released does it do this. Pyroelectric crystals, on the other hand give off electromagnetic energy when heated.

It is interesting, and we still don't really know a whole lot about the properties of crystals from a scientific perspective but it is hard to say. I'd say its definitely possible that crystals could interact with the electromagnetic field of the body in some way, and since states of consciousness are associated with certain wave patterns in the brain, crystal resonators could be associated with very specific states of consciousness that coincide with those particular frequencies.

Does anyone here have concrete personal experience apart from incidental anecdotes (like, this one thing happened this one time when I had a crystal near me)? Something that you are convinced goes beyond confirmation biases and placebo effects?

What everyone is saying about crystals being tools to focus intent, that is not what I am interested in, and people who believe in this stuff would definitely say that the crystals have esoteric properties that are independent of our beliefs about them. I personally don't have much need for an object to focus my intent, I am just interested in the natural world and all of the things we don't fully understand about it. Are you saying that crystals definitely have no inherent properties that affect consciousness?

If you take a big salt crystal (I only tried with a big pink Himalayan Salt crystal) and place it in your palm, or on the table, or any flat surface, and take your other hand and wave it over it slowly, you can feel it in your hand and the crystal will rock, or move as you pass your hand over it. I have tried to "feel" other crystals and only came up with subjective results, but this was objective. I urge anybody to try it. A big himalayan salt crystal.
I was doing it at a New Age crystal tradeshow where all these people come to trade and sell their crystals. It was labeled as "Nirvana Quartz" and I was experimenting with it. The guy tried to sell it to me for $200. I didn't buy it. Later I found out it was himalayan salt and was worth maybe $15. New Age huckster!
But it works!!! You can make it rock drastically back and forth while you wave your hand over it! And you feel the electro-magnetic push and pull in your palm. Try it!

Selenite is great!!! It actually amplifies the effects of other crystals. Selenite comes in a flat sheetobject with a 'grain' that goes in one direction, like a bunch of little lines. It conducts light in a linear fashion. You can place your dreaming stones in a mandala or geometric polygon on the sheet of selenite and program it and it will amplify it.
I slept with a chunk of selenite under my pillow, unfortunately it was too big and bulky and oncomfortable. But as an amplifier under your bed, it works great.
Herkimer diamond!!! For lucidity. But don't wear it during the day, too spacey.

I really want a Herkimer diamond as well. But I need to get my paws on some Larimar first...the stone...she calls to me...

...the stone...she calls to me...

Heh...


"My Precious...."

Originally Posted by Aquanina

I really want a Herkimer diamond as well. But I need to get my paws on some Larimar first...the stone...she calls to me...

Ha ha ha you really want that stone dont you? why don't you ebay it? i found a few cheap larimar stones a couple of days ago here's a few links that just came up with a search.


http://cgi.ebay.com/9-POLISHED-ROUGH...item2eac0bd2ea

http://cgi.ebay.com/5-16-3-LARIMAR-R...item35a85b3f76

http://cgi.ebay.com/LARIMAR-cab-poli...item5d28a0b483