Thread: BD Tasks

Originally Posted by BigFan

The only problem that I see with this is that by telling someone everything that they will find, unless dream sharing is really taking place, they will likely create it according to what you told them instead of discovering what is there themselves

Which is why you use the beautiful hiding of facts!

Mea...even nomad said the shared dream should be verified by both DJs. It's not about testing dream sharing, that's just how you get credit for the task. If that bothers you, then maybe you should stick to Deep Dreaming or something. Also maybe try to be a little more open minded, you might not mean to be, but you're coming across as if you are some kind of authority on the matter. Which would be unwise for anyone to do, considering the extremely subjective nature of the topic.

But like I said, it's still open for discussion of course! But let's try to keep it constructive and avoiding making statements about what is right or wrong when that likely only pertains to you own experience. I think almost everyone here has knowingly shared dreams, and we all have good input from each of our experiences. We should learn from one another, not tell them that their way us wrong, just because it worked differently for them.

Originally Posted by Man of Shred

Mea:

Nomad built his tower and temple on the moon in one of the first nights he made it there: without even trying. Me and raven created hotsprings in the bio dome over night. All three of us built a snow castle, Only I remember it. ALL THREE of us built a theme park on the moon, and neither of us remembered it. They all seem pretty stable to me.

Yeah, that is alright.

I apparently misunderstood the concept. I guess I assumed that this BD task place, was about consciously creating an energetically solid place.

Stable I understand, to stabalize things, for lucid dreams.

But I was considering it as Beyond dreaming. My mistake.

Originally Posted by Aquanina

Regarding the DV island carnival, this would be a month long event for people to try and meet up with other DVers and share dreams. Each month, if you guys want, we can have a different meeting place. So basically the BD task would be to dream share with another DVer at this island resort. And this will be for the whole month. You can come back as often as you are able and meet as many DVers as you can. Perhaps special recognition will go to the person who is able to meet the most DVers.

The dreams should NOT be made public or posted in you dream journals, but instead please PM them directly to me...and I will post all dreams from the same night at once, so we know that one persons account is not effecting anothers. We will all be able to look through the dreams and decide as a group if genuine dream sharing took place. That is the only way to get credit for this task.

I have many ideas for BD tasks, so there's no need to have this on go on any longer than a month. Next month, it will be something entirely new, but extremely cool. =)

Regarding the specifics for the meeting place...the DV tropical resort carnival is on an island in the middle if the ocean. It doesn't matter what island or what ocean, so long as you know where you are intending to go. If you come from air...you will see the island as you are flying over the ocean. If you come by portal or teleport...just know telepathically where you are going...to the DV island. If anyone has any other suggestions for how to get there, or about the task in general go right ahead. But let's have this ready to start April 1st

That is a great idea about PM'ing you!

I suggest it being a specific island in the middle of a specific ocean. It seems to be easier to meet people at a dreamscape that is created on a dream version of a physical place.

Originally Posted by WakingNomad

That is a great idea about PM'ing you!

I suggest it being a specific island in the middle of a specific ocean. It seems to be easier to meet people at a dreamscape that is created on a dream version of a physical place.

Ok cool, I figured you'd have good input on that issue. Any other suggestions for where it should be? The Maldives are amazing, Figi just seems like a great place cause everyone is familiar with the name, that bay on ouahu is really gorgeous too. I was hoping to find an entire island dedicated to just this purpose though. There are many gorgeous islands out there, feel free to suggest one, or let ne know which you'd prefer.

Sometimes, aquanina...if I am speaking about things, and they maybe come across as an authority way of speaking, when I am just speaking about what I know...

Perhaps, that is because I know about them.

If it offends you, or steps on your toes in some way because it is your pet project? Then maybe deep dreaming would be a better place for it.

I have a feeling that no one will back me up on this, and I probably won't get any thanks for saying it. But if you had actuslly read the posts of many who wrote here, they have said themselves that they would either like the project to go on longer, even to become a more permanent place...and some have said that a month is not long enough.

In the end, it does not really matter to me how you do it. Because as I said, I would not be doing it anyways, as in creating it, with the others here.

All I am doing, is writing some things I do know on it, and you all can take it or leave it.

Even though you are using the things I have written, it still seems to make you uneasy that someone may actually have more experience, and know things about it.

Claiming your authority by doing your passive aggressive circle talking at me, does not change what I know about creating solid places, shared dreams, or going into other peoples dreams. It also does not change that I already dreamt this place, three years ago. Which I put into my DJ, a 4-6-2007 entry...if anyone feels to read it.

I just waited to see when the wagons would come around...and they have.

I am not interested in dreaming cliques.

i like the idea of the time for the party occurring over a three day period.

Originally Posted by Aquanina

Ok cool, I figured you'd have good input on that issue. Any other suggestions for where it should be? The Maldives are amazing, Figi just seems like a great place cause everyone is familiar with the name, that bay on ouahu is really gorgeous too. I was hoping to find an entire island dedicated to just this purpose though. There are many gorgeous islands out there, feel free to suggest one, or let ne know which you'd prefer.

How about an uninhabited island? That way we know all the people we see are either dreamers or DC's (in case someone OBE's there)?

Originally Posted by Mea

I have a feeling that no one will back me up on this, and I probably won't get any thanks for saying it. But if you had actuslly read the posts of many who wrote here, they have said themselves that they would either like the project to go on longer, even to become a more permanent place...and some have said that a month is not long enough.

You seem to fail to understand the concept of a monthly task...I'll attribute this to you being new here. But every month we have a Task of the Month...it changes...from month to month. You see...despite your assumptions, I did indeed read every post carefully and take them into consideration. The reason this is only going on for a month, is because...it will be...the task of the month! And next month, there will be a new task. However, if the consensus is to create a more permanent shared dreaming space and hold parties or whatever...then that would be an entirely separate thread, as it would probably be separate from the BD monthly task. We are not going to have the same BD task every month...that would become boring, and there are so many other great BD tasks just waiting to be taken on.

Originally Posted by Mea

Even though you are using the things I have written, it still seems to make you uneasy that someone may actually have more experience, and know things about it.

I'm sorry but, I just don't know what you're talking about. How are we using anything you have written? The concept for the DV Island Retreat is something completely and enitrely separate from anything you have even mentioned here. Yet you keep saying you've been there...but it wasn't even created yet. It just...makes no sense. It's like you're trying to claim credit for something new that we are all trying to do right now...because you did something similar 5 years ago. That doesn't really work logically.

Originally Posted by Mea

Claiming your authority by doing your passive aggressive circle talking at me, does not change what I know about creating solid places, shared dreams, or going into other peoples dreams. It also does not change that I already dreamt this place, three years ago. Which I put into my DJ, a 4-6-2007 entry...if anyone feels to read it.

Again, I think you are failing to understand that what we are talking about here has absolutely NOTHING to do with the place that you created and have visited. You will not get credit for doing a task 5 years ago. It's not even the same task. This task involves members of THIS community...which you were not a part of back then...who want to try and meet up on a DV island of their creation and dream share.

Originally Posted by Mea

I am not interested in dreaming cliques.

This is not a "dreaming clique". Anyone is welcome to join in. You've said at least three times now that you're not interested in participating.


Right then...let's plow forward guys...this has been derailed enough.

First question...would you all prefer the "BD Tasks" to be moved to Deep Dreaming? I guess they'd need a name change if they were.

Second...do you want to create a separate thread for a permanent shared dreaming space, independent from the BD Task of the Month? Or do you want to continue with what we have, and keep it as this month's task? Do we want to try to have a new place to meet up every month? Do we want to go with the party idea? And how will any of that relate to the BD TotM or should it be separate? Need your guys opinions and feedback on this.

edit: just saw nomad's post...yes exactly! An uninhabited island...that's what I was hoping for....something ONLY for dreamers. So we can build whatever we want there. I love that Bay that you mentioned, I looked at pics and it was so beautiful, but there are also a lot of tourists and such, and I'd prefer to have an island all to our selves. We should hunt for our perfect island.

Originally Posted by Aquanina

First question...would you all prefer the "BD Tasks" to be moved to Deep Dreaming? I guess they'd need a name change if they were.

I think I would like this to be in Deep Dreaming. It might be annoying to have nay-sayers spoil the fun when they start barking that our monthly task isn't even possible for this or that reason

Second...do you want to create a separate thread for a permanent shared dreaming space, independent from the BD Task of the Month? Or do you want to continue with what we have, and keep it as this month's task? Do we want to try to have a new place to meet up every month? Do we want to go with the party idea? And how will any of that relate to the BD TotM or should it be separate? Need your guys opinions and feedback on this.

I kind of like the idea of creating a permanent dream space. But, maybe it's not meant to be the carnival on the island? Maybe this should just be our ToTM for now, and we can see how it went . Besides, I am interested in your other ToTM ideas! So if we do make it a permanent thing it should be a different project than the ToTM.

'nother idea: Go into a DV members dream (with their permission). Tell them to do a reality check or try to make them lucid in someway. And have that person Remember it.

Originally Posted by Man of Shred

'nother idea: Go into a DV members dream (with their permission). Tell them to do a reality check or try to make them lucid in someway. And have that person Remember it.

I've gotten DV members Lucid before but not with them remembering it.

Twoshadows Moonbeam and PJ. Oh, And I remember seeing Mark and telling him it was a dream once, but he was not interested at the time.

That would be awesome if someone remembered it.

Caradon It worked on my twice. Where I specifically Remembered Raven Knight telling me to do a Reality check.

Originally Posted by Man of Shred

Caradon It worked on my twice. Where I specifically Remembered Raven Knight telling me to do a Reality check.

Cool!

Originally Posted by Walms

Which is why you use the beautiful hiding of facts!

Exactly what I had in mind

Originally Posted by Man of Shred

'nother idea: Go into a DV members dream (with their permission). Tell them to do a reality check or try to make them lucid in someway. And have that person Remember it.

Nice idea, would love for someone to come into my dreams and remind me to do a RC or I call it a DC(Dream Check)

Originally Posted by juroara

I think I would like this to be in Deep Dreaming. It might be annoying to have nay-sayers spoil the fun when they start barking that our monthly task isn't even possible for this or that reason

I agree with this. I loved BD because of the different ideas but having nay-sayers really spoiled it

Originally Posted by juroara

I kind of like the idea of creating a permanent dream space. But, maybe it's not meant to be the carnival on the island? Maybe this should just be our ToTM for now, and we can see how it went . Besides, I am interested in your other ToTM ideas! So if we do make it a permanent thing it should be a different project than the ToTM.

Didn't Nomad already create a biodome on the moon for that specific purpose? Personally, I think it should be on earth instead because of problems that people have of going to the moon

Originally Posted by Aquanina

I'm sorry but, I just don't know what you're talking about. How are we using anything you have written? The concept for the DV Island Retreat is something completely and enitrely separate from anything you have even mentioned here. Yet you keep saying you've been there...but it wasn't even created yet. It just...makes no sense. It's like you're trying to claim credit for something new that we are all trying to do right now...because you did something similar 5 years ago. That doesn't really work logically.

Agreed

Originally Posted by Aquanina

First question...would you all prefer the "BD Tasks" to be moved to Deep Dreaming? I guess they'd need a name change if they were.

Yes, please, although, since I'm still only had 3 LDs and working on getting more, I'm not sure if a month will be enough for me at least

Originally Posted by Aquanina

Second...do you want to create a separate thread for a permanent shared dreaming space, independent from the BD Task of the Month? Or do you want to continue with what we have, and keep it as this month's task? Do we want to try to have a new place to meet up every month? Do we want to go with the party idea? And how will any of that relate to the BD TotM or should it be separate? Need your guys opinions and feedback on this.

Well, Nomad has the biodome on the moon which is considered as a dream sharing place for anyone to visit anytime.

Originally Posted by Aquanina

edit: just saw nomad's post...yes exactly! An uninhabited island...that's what I was hoping for....something ONLY for dreamers. So we can build whatever we want there. I love that Bay that you mentioned, I looked at pics and it was so beautiful, but there are also a lot of tourists and such, and I'd prefer to have an island all to our selves. We should hunt for our perfect island.

It will take sometime to find the perfect island due to many of them having tourists or occupied by people

You seem to fail to understand the concept of a monthly task...I'll attribute this to you being new here. But every month we have a Task of the Month...it changes...from month to month. You see...despite your assumptions, I did indeed read every post carefully and take them into consideration. The reason this is only going on for a month, is because...it will be...the task of the month! And next month, there will be a new task. However, if the consensus is to create a more permanent shared dreaming space and hold parties or whatever...then that would be an entirely separate thread, as it would probably be separate from the BD monthly task. We are not going to have the same BD task every month...that would become boring, and there are so many other great BD tasks just waiting to be taken on.

I don't fail to understand it, we are just having two conversations. I do understand the concept of a task for the Month...and to bring the two conversations together here, it could possibly be something, where for BD tasks, which unlike LD tasks, could sometimes grow over longer time periods...what if when that month is up, when a new task is begun...the current task could be left in the wings, in it's own area for whomever would like to work on it more, or has not had the time to really get into it? Then it becomes both...a task of the month, and a longer term BD event.

Because there are those who would become bored without continuous new things given to them to do...and with subjects that go into areas beyond regular and lucid dreams, there are those individuals who have a more indepth approach.



I'm sorry but, I just don't know what you're talking about. How are we using anything you have written? The concept for the DV Island Retreat is something completely and enitrely separate from anything you have even mentioned here. Yet you keep saying you've been there...but it wasn't even created yet. It just...makes no sense. It's like you're trying to claim credit for something new that we are all trying to do right now...because you did something similar 5 years ago. That doesn't really work logically.

Dreaming, is not logical.

PMing you, the carnival, and various other things, are things I have mentioned here, and then it suddenly becomes part of the plan...along with a few other things. Which I don't mind.

Something you misunderstand though, is that you think I have said I created the place. I didn't say that, and I did not create it. But you apparently did not read the dream. It was three years ago.

I dream things beforehand. They are not my dreams, and I would not want credit for them, or the places they happen in. However, what has been decribed here, by nomad in his list, and some others, describes the place I went to, un-logically, before it happened.

I have that happen often, so I don't find it odd, or just something similar I did before. That is like saying, that when people meet in a dream, they did not really meet, it was just in their mind.

The cool thing to me, is that you are all speaking about creating, somewhere I have been, beforehand. Which shows me that you all may actually create it now in the past.

That intrigues me, but it is not something I could, or would take credit for. But time, is not linear.


Again, I think you are failing to understand that what we are talking about here has absolutely NOTHING to do with the place that you created and have visited. You will not get credit for doing a task 5 years ago. It's not even the same task. This task involves members of THIS community...which you were not a part of back then...who want to try and meet up on a DV island of their creation and dream share.

Well, I will say again...I am not looking for credit. The ways I go into things, don't require credit points, or approval from others, or any of that. It was not someplace I created, and if you chose to look at it, you would see that.

This is not a "dreaming clique". Anyone is welcome to join in. You've said at least three times now that you're not interested in participating.

'This task involves members of THIS community...which you were not a part of back then...who want to try and meet up on a DV island of their creation and dream share.'

Unfortunately, it is a dreaming clique. And unless people would like the inner circle tat, what they say, or contribute, tends to just get shot down, or ignored...

Have fun with that.

I did say I am not interested in being involved with creating it. I have my own things I am working on. But I cannot help that I dreamt of this place beforehand.

Take it, or leave it. In the end, it does not matter to me.


Right then...let's plow forward guys...this has been derailed enough.

First question...would you all prefer the "BD Tasks" to be moved to Deep Dreaming? I guess they'd need a name change if they were.

Second...do you want to create a separate thread for a permanent shared dreaming space, independent from the BD Task of the Month? Or do you want to continue with what we have, and keep it as this month's task? Do we want to try to have a new place to meet up every month? Do we want to go with the party idea? And how will any of that relate to the BD TotM or should it be separate? Need your guys opinions and feedback on this.

edit: just saw nomad's post...yes exactly! An uninhabited island...that's what I was hoping for....something ONLY for dreamers. So we can build whatever we want there. I love that Bay that you mentioned, I looked at pics and it was so beautiful, but there are also a lot of tourists and such, and I'd prefer to have an island all to our selves. We should hunt for our perfect island. [/QUOTE]

I have to agree that these kinds of tasks would belong in DD instead of BD.

The reason being--BD allows debate. I don't want to have a thread or sticky in BD which I have to tell people that the rules don't apply in it and they aren't allowed to bring up points of debate.

DD exists as a place to explore and do some of these kinds of things without debates or derailing of the original purpose. I don't want to exclude newbies or people who are unaware of DD, but it does seem like the proper place for this idea.

We could have the first BD task be to create this place, and then it can continue as a long term project and the monthly tasks go on to do different things. I like the idea of having parties, but I'm thinking maybe a week long party once a month would be better than three days... That's just a personal preference though.

See, in dreaming, in the art of dreaming there are many facets, many vibrations of awareness.
A problem that comes up with groups that try and do dreaming tasks, is when they want to just plow forward without any real understanding of what they are doing, they want to experiment, to find out if it is really real.

If that was tempered with an ability to hear people outside of your frame of reference, then it may actually do something for you energetically.

But that rarely is the case, and it is not here. Because already the organizers are talking about it, as derailing the project.

I have been in Mea's place several times on other sites, and the general resolve is like it is here. Where the organizers really just want to hear support and ideas to further the stated direction.
Either we are for them or against them.

I know about dreaming, I know what will happen if it is done in a way as it is here. And mea knows.

I have mentioned to people who did these experiments without really understanding energy and vibration, what can happen.
And funny thing, it did happen, which was alot of energetic entanglements, or they no longer could even focus enough to dream lucidly.

They were connecting with people they really didn't know, didn't know their memory stores or life form points of awareness, and forging a big messy, gooey, brownie of energy. And at the end were still clueless about what happened.

They didn't even make the connection to their blind forging ahead and the energetic result later on.

They get defensive when someone doesn't just do the polite support structure.

The suggestions of moving this to deep dreaming, I know is another way of silencing any suggestions/objections to the task, because that forum is invisible to anyone that is not accepted into it by the MODs.

I feel this task should be moved to the Newbie zone, because people that really know about dreaming are going to know what can happen.
And if they are going to be considered negative for it, then let the newbies find out for themselves.

I am sure people feel they do know, because they read Castaneda, Robert Monroe, Laberge, and many others, but that is mental memory, not experience with energy and vibrations.

But I do support people going to this island carnival, then I can find you all in one place.

Originally Posted by Hidden

We could have the first BD task be to create this place, and then it can continue as a long term project and the monthly tasks go on to do different things. I like the idea of having parties, but I'm thinking maybe a week long party once a month would be better than three days... That's just a personal preference though.

THAT is a very good idea. I love it!

Originally Posted by Moppon

The suggestions of moving this to deep dreaming, I know is another way of silencing any suggestions/objections to the task, because that forum is invisible to anyone that is not accepted into it by the MODs.

I feel this task should be moved to the Newbie zone, because people that really know about dreaming are going to know what can happen.
And if they are going to be considered negative for it, then let the newbies find out for themselves.

The purpose of Deep Dreaming isn't to shut out people who disagree... It's a place for people who want to discuss and experiment without skeptics harping on them about how what they're trying to do isn't possible. You don't have to do anything major to get in: just go to the user CP to apply and say why you're interested in joining. It's not some sort of exclusive club.

I wholeheartedly disagree with moving this to the Newbie section. Beyond dreaming stuff should stay in BD/DD. I don't know what you mean by "people that really know about dreaming are going to know what can happen."

Originally Posted by Aquanina

Ok cool, I figured you'd have good input on that issue. Any other suggestions for where it should be? The Maldives are amazing, Figi just seems like a great place cause everyone is familiar with the name, that bay on ouahu is really gorgeous too. I was hoping to find an entire island dedicated to just this purpose though. There are many gorgeous islands out there, feel free to suggest one, or let ne know which you'd prefer.

I`m liking this idea.Probably not what you were thinking of,but your quite welcome to use my island if you like.

- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RMyHw...eature=related

Alright guys...let's find our island! http://www.privateislandsonline.com/

Originally Posted by Aquanina

Alright guys...let's find our island! http://www.privateislandsonline.com/

I found one with a remote control drawbridge before...let me see if I can find it again.