Thread: Steph´s DILD Workbook

I have just answered in Sageous Class with almost the same post - I modified it a bit, though.
I mostly post over the day in my several classes, if there was something tried or happening - and often find new aspects - I pretty much think, this catches it for last night:
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Ah - edit: When just now I did explain to NyxCC as well, why this is a "post-transfer" - I was also telling NyxCC about how much I treasure having my lovely three direct teachers - you two and Sageous - I feel highly privileged about it and am very thankful for your three´s close guidance!

Steph discovers a new species of roadblock:

The effort yesternight didn´t take place - but this last night I tried WILD again.
And I find it went quite well - up to one point always:

I was relaxed, didn´t feel my body any more - at one time it felt as if I was spinning slowly horizontally - more my head seemed to make a left-turn with my upper body. But not a lot - I tried nudging mentally - but bit more, and I would have moved.

Buut - maybe 5 times or so - I started "making something" out of what I saw on the back of my eyelids.
After some time of black - there were black and white and grey clouds swirling about - I could make these take on forms - and with a certain complexity - a real scenery appeared, and got clearer and clearer - each time another one.

But it was so weird - every time I came to see real details full colours and all - there was an almost physical surge to draw me into the scene, which before I had only witnessed "from nowhere" so to speak.
And every time, I just could not let it happen, not on purpose, it was more or less subconscious direct reaction.
I sucked myself back out.
It was really like having a short startle reaction, a bit of physical arousal - and like on a gummy-band - I got my consciousness back in my body on my bed.
And had to more or less start all over again.
As said - it was at least 5 times, and I really tried to be prepared for it, and let it happen the next time..
Nope.

Is this how it feels, when it works, as well?
And I just need to let myself get sucked in without excitement?
I couldn´t do away with the excitement - it felt like I was sucked from location to location in in real-life!
Not fear - but a general alarm-situation.
How can I counter that?

It felt as if I just about stopped it off, before a physical sucking feeling would have followed.
How does it feel, when you transit?
Unfortunately I went to bed so late yesterday (daaarts..Attachment 6003) - that I decided, I should get up to the day, and not turn around and hope for DILD.

Maybe closest to an actual WILD yet? Unfortunately again no LD last night!

The way you describing was my first way of entering a WILD. But I did it consiously.

I got these visuals, that later turned into moving pictures and that's where my experience usually ended. I have not read in any guide how to actually enter LD from that point. They all just said "and now just enter the dream". But for the life of me, I couldn't figure out how to. Until one day, I thought to myself "I wish I was there". Then I felt as I'm being transported inside of the dream. When i landed, my environment changed into 3D, and I was no longe an outside obsever. Since then, when I see a dreamscape ready ( I alway fly over it when I see it), I think "I am there" while looking at a certain spot inside the dreamscape.

But it also happened few times, that I got out into a WILD, went a few feet from bed, and felt like I'm being pulled backwards to the bed, like on a bungy-cord. I was clawing at things to stop being pulled back, but it never worked. Not sure what that means. Sageous is really the best authority to be asking about WILDs, if he doesn't know, nobody does, lol. Happy dreams

Yeah - exactly so, gab!
And you are right - now I think of it - it was also bird-perspective with me - not from nowhere.
"I wish I was there!" - ah - I am so new to it all - the understanding of there being power in saying something to myself is not yet ingrained.
But this definitively sounds like something to try out - whatever it was in the end - got to study Sageous answer a bit more.
He says it could have been three things, HI, entering NREM or dream-inlets.

Thank you a lot - I keep forgetting there is something like a "command-function" - also when lucid - like shouting out "more vividness" or something.
I am yet to try this out, too.
Maybe in present tense - like "I am there"?
Next time I come to have seemingly something to enter, and don´t get in - I will definitively try and clearly express a wish/wield a command.

Edit in: NyxCC has pointed me towards your WILD sensations thread - and - something I found in there, might be a very good clue:

1. Dream images
First type of entry involves looking at the back of your closed eyelids. At first, you will see black and grey fog swirling around. Maybe you see some colors. Then you start seeing simple objects and geometric shapes. These will evolve into more complex pictures and dreams. You may see movie like scenes. When these scenes change into one big movie screen covering your whole field of vision, the dream is ready for you. But so far you are just an outside observer.

You may either wait for it to envelop you and you suddenly find yourself inside of a dream, or you may look at the dream scene, pick a spot on the ground and say slowly and deliberately something like "I am there". This should transport you inside a dream.

Now it makes even more sense - the scenes were not yet covering my whole field of vision, when I tried to get sucked in.
It was more, the scene was enveloped in a surrounding of nondescript area.
So - chances are high, I did my conscious efforts sort of too early/the wrong efforts.
I guess, I should have gone on watching and see, if a full surround scenery appears - maybe then I would have been there - or could have tried the "thinking with emphasis" method.


By the way - last night - soo frustrating.
I was incubating a dream-sign of mine over the day yesterday - the house I lived in in my youth and which got demolished and I am still sad about it.
Visualizing it in detail and promising myself to RC.

And what happened??
I was there in a dream - and it was so realistic - wonderful.
Silly me stands there - looks at the texture of the outside walls - thinking - oh - thank the heavens - this is real, and not a dream about it again!!
Can not look so detailed if it was a dream - so it must be true, and it still stands.
Yippee - hurray - and I went on renovating and decorating the inside and dreamt together a story how this could all be!

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Edit: Maybe I did not RC, because I am not yet decided on what sort of RC to get myself used to.
One I can do in RL easily - and which is enough for believing it in my LDs.
They tend to be very realistic - at least on onset.
So the only thing, that convinces me to a degree, that I can jump out the window is the nose-plug.
But I am kind of wary to do it all the time in RL..
What do you two suggest/use yourself?

I use looking at hands mostly, and that shows in 99.9% of my dreams, in which I do RC.
Next is the thumb/palm RC. I stopped doing it though, because it has become increasingly painfull to do. Not sure why. But it is very convincing RC.
I practiced the nose plug RC a few times, and when it showed in my dream, it was a special treat.
I also practice levitating, or changing something. This one is the most fun to practice, because you can trully tailor it to your wishes.

It's recommended you do at least 2-3 RCs at the time. And later, when your mind gets bored with some, you can switch to others.

I have never done RC in a dream and not get lucid from it, or I got lucid just before doing it, and RC only confirmed.

Lately though, I "just realize", that I'm lucid. I think this is from my awareness, questioning the reality and believing, that at any moment I can be in a dream, no matter how realistic my reality looks like. And I believe, this is the most important aspect of pracitce. To believe, that you could be dreaming, no matter how much you are sure, or how real anything looks like. That sudden "omg, this could be a dream" moment, when your stomach sinks and you get excited and a bit freaked out at the same time.

RE: entering dreamlets too soon.
You know, I was under the same impression for a long time. That I perhaps was trying to enter dream too soon. Then I read about some people entering even sooner and I tried it and what do you know? It worked.

One guy enteres WILD, while still just seeing blackness behind his closed eyelids. Not even the swirly things. maybe it happened to you, when the usual, 2D space suddenly changes into 3D. It looks, like it goes on forever. Like it doesn't stop on your eyelids, but there is a huge space behind it. That's when he enteres it same way as I by imagining/wishing himself inside of it. I think I tried to get up/roll out during vibrations, or even sooner, and a few times, it worked.

So, I'm not so sure that you have to wait untill certain point to exit body/enter LD. As to not ruin my attampt, in case I'm not there yet, I just try to stand up/roll out mentally. If it doesn't work, I know I have to wait longer. If it does, it surprises the heck out of me and I'm in a LD. Happy dreams

Thank you once more gab - this night once more - last night I hardly got any sleep at all..
Okay - so - maybe not too soon, after all.
I really hope, that with some successful exits, I will "get a feel" for it - for the moment, and for the "how".
That would be great! Ah - firlefanz - it will be great!

Originally Posted by gab

That sudden "omg, this could be a dream" moment, when your stomach sinks and you get excited and a bit freaked out at the same time.

I got it - I think, now I got it!
This - "but you should believe this is a dream, while doing the RC" - and - "do not acknowledge it, when the answer is, yes, this is reality" ...
I couldn´t really grasp, maybe, what was meant there.. but seems now I can understand better!

I was on the way back from the supermarket - and what you wrote came to my mind - and I think, I did exactly that - conjure up a genuine feeling of wonder and excitement - if this were a dream..omg.

Weird - I have been also trying to imagine, what I would be doing, if now and here - it would be a dream.
But somehow it was clearly a what if daydreaming - not having a real feeling with it.


Thank you so much - something just clicked on the street with me!!

Originally Posted by StephL

I was on the way back from the supermarket - and what you wrote came to my mind - and I think, I did exactly that - conjure up a genuine feeling of wonder and excitement - if this were a dream..omg.

That's exactly IT!

It's really hard to imagine, that right now, in this moment, you could be dreaming. Just because it's so realistic. I have always been a dreamer, as in fantasizer, so this actually didn't come hard for me to imagine. But only after I had my first few times, when in a non-lucid, I would tell myself to RC. My answer would alway be "nah, I'm sure I'm awake. But ok, I have read about this, so I'm gonna RC just for the heck of it". And then came the huge surprise, when I counted 6 fingers, or was able to breathe with pinched nose. So since then, I never take being awake for granted.

You got excellent advice from gab! I almost want to stay back out of the way, but either way, me being here won't stop gab from chiming in. There is really nothing great to add with all of the great back and forth between you two and your breakthrough with making the RC meaningful. I did see one question I can at least give my experience with while keeping in mind that everyone's experience can be different...

How does it feel, when you transit?

Like gab said, Sageous is the expert on WILDs (and gab much more of an expert than I) but on the ones that I have had they usually involved vibrations and spinning like you had, jet engine like vibrations and sound, and once a feeling of being shot up out of my bed which wasn't scary like it may sound, it was exciting. The vibrations are the only ones that I feel that I can nudge on, but the spinning I can of let it flow and on one I just remember thinking that it feels kind of like being on a roller coaster and before I knew it I was the roller coaster car and it was one of my more fun LDs. I also would like to try transporting into these scenes that are sometimes very developed for HIs ("walking and talking" HHs or dreamlets, but not yet enveloped) but I am still working on that aspect...my WILDs tend to be the patient style while slowly inching towards sleep. I have, like gab says elsewhere, also found success when "giving up and rolling over to go to sleep" a few times. It is a bit of a process and the more LDs you have the more you get a feel for it.

Thank you!

The more teachers - the more - slightly or more different angles of viewpoints - the more I can learn, I believe, fogelbise!
I had these vibrations and a mandala-optic in my very first attempt only - I know, everybody says to rather ignore them, not wait for them - but I loved this so much - something completely new to experience - I hope I get to have this as an entry/transit effect again.

This first time, though - I was so excited by it - I almost on purpose broke up, when they lessened - to go run and tell my husband..
Again - last night - not enough motivation, when I woke up for WILD.
Thought so before - that I should maybe concentrate on primary DILD more - but it seemed so easy, to get at least a DILD per WILD try..

And you´re right - gab somehow gave me exactly the needed words for getting my RCs "alive"!
Will report, if something happens..
Hopefully!!
The happening, I mean.

Originally Posted by StephL

And you´re right - gab somehow gave me exactly the needed words for getting my RCs "alive"!

Her experience shows quite well!

Will report, if something happens..
Hopefully!!
The happening, I mean.

Your so funny; this made me laugh! (in a good way)

I know, everybody says to rather ignore them, not wait for them

I definitely would not wait for them or anticipate them, but for me at least the vibrations show up when I am at the doorstep of a dream and I may have been lucky in finding a way to nudge them on...on most occasions. I have seen the advice from very experienced LD'ers that it is probably better advice for a beginner to let the scene to come to you but I can't see the harm in experimenting...especially with gab's "I am there" technique. I tried that one today too.

Something happened!!

Soo happy - not a lot of lucid time, I had - but some:

Two Short Lucids with Snowman-Efforts - Dream Journals - Lucid Dreaming - Dream Views

My weird approach with WILD-try induced DILD again..
Unfortunately very late in my sleep-cycle - I suppose, that is why they were so hard to hold onto, these two.
But remarkable I found - both times I instantly knew and for sure, that I was dreaming lucidly.
Seems also some automatic hover-reaction comes with this realization - very good RC without even willing it.
And my first stabs at full-on stabilization repertoire usage and shouting things for control took place as well.
With not really satisfying results - except I made it snow in summer and very nice snow it was!
Next time - presents and decorate and animate my snow-guy!

Originally Posted by StephL

With not really satisfying results - except I made it snow in summer and very nice snow it was!

Awesome! That is a very significant result to make it snow in the summer! Great job!!!

From DJ: "Woke up - but - was able to immediately fall asleep again and found myself back in lucidity."

This sounds a lot like a DEILD which is a type of WILD...but you would be the best judge of how it felt/happened. Either way it is an LD, I just thought that if it was a DEILD that you might find that possibility exciting...that you may have had one! It is basically when you wake up and retain consciousness as you go quickly back into a dream lucid. In that other thread I was wondering if some of what I was counting as DEILDs were actually DILDs because instead of waking for real, I may have just "awakened" into to a false awakening.

I went at is less than optimally though - with a mixed up approach throwing together breath-counting and mantras and a bit of SSILD - still unsure how to really go about it.

Something in there worked, so you may be okay mixing them together. I know the author of SSILD technique says not to mix it with anything, at least as a beginner, but I started to later on. Let me know if you have any questions re: SSILD since that is my primary technique (with my own adjustment to it) although I didn't use it on my last WILD...which is quite a shift for me...to not use SSILD at all.

Did you have any questions? And once again, great job!!!

Originally Posted by fogelbise

Awesome! That is a very significant result to make it snow in the summer! Great job!!!

Thank youuu!
Yes - it did feel sort of significant to me..

Originally Posted by fogelbise

This sounds a lot like a DEILD which is a type of WILD...but you would be the best judge of how it felt/happened. Either way it is an LD, I just thought that if it was a DEILD that you might find that possibility exciting...that you may have had one! It is basically when you wake up and retain consciousness as you go quickly back into a dream lucid. In that other thread I was wondering if some of what I was counting as DEILDs were actually DILDs because instead of waking for real, I may have just "awakened" into to a false awakening.

When I snapped out of the first small lucid episode and woke up - I did a DEILD - and forgot to be excited!!
Bit weird even, that I did not name it so in the first place.
Was great - woke up - fell asleep - instantly lucid!

Originally Posted by fogelbise

Something in there worked, so you may be okay mixing them together. I know the author of SSILD technique says not to mix it with anything, at least as a beginner, but I started to later on. Let me know if you have any questions re: SSILD since that is my primary technique (with my own adjustment to it) although I didn't use it on my last WILD...which is quite a shift for me...to not use SSILD at all.

Did you have any questions? And once again, great job!!!

Yepp - something happened!!
I do and will ask questions - later today!
Looking forward!

Bit tired already, the me - and not very coordinated now - maybe editing in/posting something else "tomorrow" - got lost of the "I" already..hm.

Yes, go get some rest

I did a DEILD - and forgot to be excited!!

Well that is a good thing during the actual dream, but yes, afterwards I think that it deserves a little celebration

Juphuppdiduu!!

Again a DILD - this time really without any prep at all - I forgot to mention the one from the night before last night - so here a link to my journal:

Mini-DILD Again - And First Time Being Male - Singing Like An Opera Tenor - Dream Journals - Lucid Dreaming - Dream Views

I am very, very happy that they start to pop up on their own - even while these ones have only short duration and almost no day-time-memory and control.
Maybe this gets better.
Next couple of nights I go with full on WILD efforts again - these LDs have me in almost complete access to my daytime-memory and intentions.
And I have control in those and more time.
I decided, that if I manage to get a good LD with a TOTM done like this - I might ask for upper league after all..
Sensing that a challenge - something demanding and difficult, about which I can then post on here later, is an enormously effective motivation.

I´ll ask you what you think, if it is okay, after the two nights fogelbise!
Hopefully I got something for this!

Oh - and something memorable was this sudden switch in perspective - me getting male and singing like a tenor - intriguing!!
I wish I had done a bit more with this body..

Originally Posted by StephL

Juphuppdiduu!!

Again a DILD - this time really without any prep at all - I forgot to mention the one from the night before last night -

Awesome! Two nights in a row! With practice you can remember to activate some of your waking memory when you become lucid...something I need to refocus on. One method to do this is as you become lucid and do your RC's and stabilization you can also think briefly only that your sleeping body is back where you left it and from this lucid state you can do almost anything....this is something I read from Sageous...of course self-awareness work during the day is also good for this.

I´ll ask you what you think, if it is okay, after the two nights fogelbise!
Hopefully I got something for this!

Sure, no problem of course.

Oh - and something memorable was this sudden switch in perspective - me getting male and singing like a tenor - intriguing!!
I wish I had done a bit more with this body..

That is definitely interesting! Have you been working on perspective during the day? I think such perspective work caused me to see myself several times and helped me become lucid.

Oooh - didn´t work!
Because usually I did my WILD activities lying on my back, and couldn´t fall asleep - I tried it out in my normal sleeping position on my stomach and facing to the left.
I fell asleep just fine and in no time - not taking my consciousness with me, though - and not eliciting a DILD like that either.
Naja - this night once more and on my back again.
It was worth a try I guess - at least I know now, that my intuition about this was right.

Edit: No - I didn´t do any work on perspective before last night - I am not even sure, how you mean it..?
And somehow I have the impression, that this pure DILD out of a normal dream, with no WBTB - it seems inherently less easily controllable/stabilisable..
Sure - with more experience - there should be no limitation on DILDs as well - it was just my impression, that it is harder.
I guess because there was no state of full wakefulness directly or shortly before.
I know, Sageous does not see it so - but I do - for me - for now.

But I will include this awareness of the fact, that my body is lying in my bed into the stabilization-routine.
I remember very well, how my first adult LD got hyper-realistic, once I realized exactly this - oh - and I got scared witless at the same time back then...
Wanting to find it and get back into it..

Originally Posted by StephL

It was worth a try I guess - at least I know now, that my intuition about this was right.

I would always bet on a woman's intuition!

Edit: No - I didn´t do any work on perspective before last night - I am not even sure, how you mean it..?

The perspective work I speak of is a daytime practice that seems to help self awareness where you visualize yourself from different angles or perspectives. There is an old thread that has some interesting stories from different members with their experiences with perspectives. Link here: http://www.dreamviews.com/beyond-dre...rspective.html

And somehow I have the impression, that this pure DILD out of a normal dream, with no WBTB - it seems inherently less easily controllable/stabilisable..
Sure - with more experience - there should be no limitation on DILDs as well - it was just my impression, that it is harder.
I guess because there was no state of full wakefulness directly or shortly before.
I know, Sageous does not see it so - but I do - for me - for now.

I agree, many times with a DILD you are kind of caught off guard and it can take time and practice to bring up more than just small samplings of your waking memories, whereas with a WILD or direct entry after WBTB you carry much more waking memories I find. I also find some types of FAs have a lot of waking life memory, but many only have a small subset tied to the waking hours it seems.

But I will include this awareness of the fact, that my body is lying in my bed into the stabilization-routine.
I remember very well, how my first adult LD got hyper-realistic, once I realized exactly this - oh - and I got scared witless at the same time back then...
Wanting to find it and get back into it..

You are probably past that fear now, correct? Either way, Sageous suggests to keep it as a general thought that your sleeping body is back where you left it but try not to focus on your sleeping body since you want to keep your focus on your dream body.

Originally Posted by fogelbise

I would always bet on a woman's intuition!

Do trust your own - this works in men as well!

Originally Posted by fogelbise

The perspective work I speak of is a daytime practice that seems to help self awareness where you visualize yourself from different angles or perspectives. There is an old thread that has some interesting stories from different members with their experiences with perspectives. Link here: http://www.dreamviews.com/beyond-dre...rspective.html

Oooh - I like it!!
This is really great - must be superb for dream-control - yay!
Transferring my conscious perspective into things or even light - fantastic! Will try soon!
When I read October´s TOTM special task with transforming into a whole family of turkeys at the same time - that made me pause.
I hadn´t thought about if this was possible - to spread viewpoint out like in a truly conscious hive.
Weird actually - since I came across the concept in science fiction before.
Still blows my mind, to be honest!

Originally Posted by fogelbise

I agree, many times with a DILD you are kind of caught off guard and it can take time and practice to bring up more than just small samplings of your waking memories, whereas with a WILD or direct entry after WBTB you carry much more waking memories I find. I also find some types of FAs have a lot of waking life memory, but many only have a small subset tied to the waking hours it seems.

Yupp!

Originally Posted by fogelbise

You are probably past that fear now, correct? Either way, Sageous suggests to keep it as a general thought that your sleeping body is back where you left it but try not to focus on your sleeping body since you want to keep your focus on your dream body.

I am and for a long time. That is what makes me opposed to superstition so much.
Many people of the beyond persuasion just simply refuse to think things through.
That is not why I came towards agnosticism with a strong lean towards atheism - it is not out of fear - that would be foolish.
I could imagine to be a simulation on some advanced being´s computational or other matrix - that does not violate the principles of physics and neuroscience* - but I find it highly unlikely.

Back then - Castaneda - thinking things through to the inescapable consequence of - maybe great danger - at least for beginners and on their own - I felt terribly exposed.
And the optics were more than realistic - and threatening to add to the atmosphere too - taking the possibility of dying into account - I was experiencing a cave coming down on and all around me.
So I then really concentrated on trying to have the perspective in my bed back and made it out into SP - luckily only the paralysis, no further threats - but you know - I thoroughly had enough of it - and so did my friend, who also made a similar experience.
That´s a shame!!
Long ago - no internet sources around.

But I understood what Sageous and you mean - exactly not what I did to wake up, but what I did before - but unfortunately on the basis of wrong beliefs - I got myself to truly realise, that my whole existence - dream-body, senses and all - was somewhere completely different than where I went to bed.
That brought the clarity - and the hand-looking from Castaneda, too, I guess.

*they would be ultimately meaningless, because they are also a simulation then - or maybe they would mirror some "higher reality-realm" - my bad - I hope in here, I may throw something like this about... hehe.

Originally Posted by StephL

Do trust your own - this works in men as well!

Good job Steph! You made me question an assumption of mine. First search seemed to uphold my assumption: The Power of Female Intuition and then this quote gave me some hope and I feel that thanks to my LD work that this is improving: "A 2008 study in the British Journal of Psychology defined intuition as what happens when the brain draws on past experiences and external cues to make a decision -- but it happens so fast that the reaction is at an unconscious level." I never really looked into it, mostly focusing on my logic but the quote above sounds a lot like a quick logic without overthinking things (which I often do)!

Oooh - I like it!!
This is really great - must be superb for dream-control - yay!
Transferring my conscious perspective into things or even light - fantastic! Will try soon!
When I read October´s TOTM special task with transforming into a whole family of turkeys at the same time - that made me pause.
I hadn´t thought about if this was possible - to spread viewpoint out like in a truly conscious hive.
Weird actually - since I came across the concept in science fiction before.
Still blows my mind, to be honest!

I very much like that thread as it gave me a "whole new perspective" haha...seriously though, a highly under utilized concept in my opinion.

I could imagine to be a simulation on some advanced being´s computational or other matrix - that does not violate the principles of physics and neuroscience* - but I find it highly unlikely.

They actually covered this theory on "Beyond the Wormhole" new episode that aired in the US on November 27, 2013 entitled "God's Existence." Last year that did an episode"Did We Invent God?" which I haven't seen. In this year's episode I believe the scientist who proposed this possibility pointed to the idea that if the world was a simulation there should be some visual resolution issues if you look extremely close and that scientist thought (quantum mechanics I think it was?) showed this possibility. I definitely saw it as a far out there theory.

Back then - Castaneda - thinking things through to the inescapable consequence of - maybe great danger - at least for beginners and on their own - I felt terribly exposed.

I guess I am glad I never read his stuff...although I guess it gave you some perspective and experiences you might not have had otherwise.

First off - I could hit myself!
Alarm-clock was on 5 am - I woke up half an hour earlier - and thought - ah - I´ll wake anyway then soon with the alarm - maybe it is too early..lala.
What I "forgot" is my marvellous ability to not hear the alarm, when it comes shortly after falling asleep again.
This is also a problem with work - when I will take that up again next year.
Naja - fazit: Very grumpy Steph - at least I had another memorable dream - seems I have some gender stuff on my agenda at the moment - or this regretting, not to have used the male body came through - now I had a surprising lesbian affair - was niiice!!
Lucid Self Sabotage and a Lesbian Affair
Maybe it´s good - so lower league it is - if I can not even get my sorry behind more motivated in the morning - even on a night, that was really important for me - that´s where I belong..

Originally Posted by fogelbise

Good job Steph! You made me question an assumption of mine. First search seemed to uphold my assumption: The Power of Female Intuition and then this quote gave me some hope and I feel that thanks to my LD work that this is improving: "A 2008 study in the British Journal of Psychology defined intuition as what happens when the brain draws on past experiences and external cues to make a decision -- but it happens so fast that the reaction is at an unconscious level." I never really looked into it, mostly focusing on my logic but the quote above sounds a lot like a quick logic without overthinking things (which I often do)!

Intuition is like you say - your subconscious mind makes use of all sorts of data - figures something out for you - and it pops up with out all the background work popping up with it.
So - it seems it came out of the blue sky - but it is normal brain-function.
It has probably cultural background, that women are associated with it more - but without it - we wouldn´t get overly far in my conviction.
It is also like when you forget a name, or something else - you try and try to remember - but you don´t.
Then later - out of the blue - there it is.
That is probably the same mechanism!
Would be too much, if we had to actively and fully consciously think out and about everything.

Oh - by the way - I am often accused of over-thinking things - if that is a consolation - sometimes I fall over my own feet like this.

Originally Posted by fogelbise

I very much like that thread as it gave me a "whole new perspective" haha...seriously though, a highly under utilized concept in my opinion.

I experimented with it yesterday - and something really surprising happened:
I have a cuddly dinosaur toy - and tried it on him - and it was really impressive - I suddenly saw his big green nose in my field of vision - not a hallucination, but a very real seeming imagination.
And around that a bit of his perspetcive - I also felt plump and as if sitting very solidly and I felt slightly silly in the head. If you saw his eyes - you´d know, what I mean.
Since at the moment he has no darts - I forgot to imagine having magnetic front feet - that would have been something interesting to conjure up:



I was surprised how relatively easy it was and how interesting it felt.

Originally Posted by fogelbise

They actually covered this theory on "Beyond the Wormhole" new episode that aired in the US on November 27, 2013 entitled "God's Existence." Last year that did an episode"Did We Invent God?" which I haven't seen. In this year's episode I believe the scientist who proposed this possibility pointed to the idea that if the world was a simulation there should be some visual resolution issues if you look extremely close and that scientist thought (quantum mechanics I think it was?) showed this possibility. I definitely saw it as a far out there theory.

They also do in the "What We Still Don´t Know" series. It is really the main reason, why I do not call my self atheist, besides purely generalized thoughts.

Originally Posted by fogelbise

I guess I am glad I never read his stuff...although I guess it gave you some perspective and experiences you might not have had otherwise.

To be honest - without him, I wouldn´t be here, probably.
I would have completely forgotten my childhood semi-lucids - and maybe never found an interest - or the patience with it.
I was putting time into it and real effort and also belief for two weeks - and got richly rewarded - bit too richly, though.

Originally Posted by StephL

I experimented with it yesterday - and something really surprising happened:
I have a cuddly dinosaur toy - and tried it on him - and it was really impressive - I suddenly saw his big green nose in my field of vision - not a hallucination, but a very real seeming imagination.
And around that a bit of his perspetcive - I also felt plump and as if sitting very solidly and I felt slightly silly in the head. If you saw his eyes - you´d know, what I mean.
Since at the moment he has no darts - I forgot to imagine having magnetic front feet - that would have been something interesting to conjure up:

I was surprised how relatively easy it was and how interesting it felt.

Lots of good stuff in your full post but just wanted to say that I am happy that you did that experiment with the dinosaur! It can be fun and insightful.

Did you see this: http://www.dreamviews.com/attaining-...-lucidity.html Gave me a lucid the first morning I tried it.

Ah - thank you - I will look into that!
Aaand - what I found last night is absolutely phantastisch: the podcasts!!
They are really very informative and inspirational - and I didn´t notice them at all until now!

Didn´t go for WBTB last night - bit of tohuwabohu going on and me going sleeping very late.

I also love the podcasts! I am surprised I haven't mentioned them to you. I also learned a new term: tohuwabohu...I looked it up.