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Originally Posted by oneironautics

I have been feeling aware for a few minutes in each dream, maybe just lying on the grass, and definetly starting to question my reality,, for example in the dream somebody gave me a red 20 euro bill and i was wondering about that along time

Odd thing happened last night,, woke up 2 times b4 4:30 and wrote down 2 dreams i remember what words i wrote (the room is dark because i don't want to wake everybody so i have to try and translate in the morning which is fine) i went up to the bathroom and went to switch off my computer i couldn't go back to sleep and was waiting for my hubby to get up at 5. anyway i woke up later and wrote down morning dream, and i was looking for ten minutes for these dreams i supposedly written down and they were nowhere :-( ,, at least i remembered one of them.

My most common dream sign is my kids any tips on how i could be using them in the dream to become aware??

Also have been thinking about I never really had any nightmares, but i must have fears any way i could be able to find them in my dreams ??? I remember one bad dream i had when i was 6 about a desert with skulls, maybe i should try to go back there??

Hi neighbor, Finland here! That is progress, you're close! Keep up with your practice and we'll soon be reading about your first lucid dream.

It's possible you had a false awakening, and you were only writing your previous dreams down in another dream. If something like this starts happening more frequently, get into the habit of making a reality check every time you wake up. It's a really easy way to become lucid, because it's easy to train yourself into the habit.

I think lots of proper reality checks in their presence could give good results, probably mental ones. " What were we doing ten minutes ago? How did we get here?"

Good to hear you have no nightmares! Yes, you could search for any possible fears you might have with lucid dreams. Easiest way could be asking the dream directly "Do I have any fears/What do I fear?" And yeah, you can definitely go back to the memory and relive the dream again. You could also try to find out if the dream had some sort of meaning into it.

Moi Saizaphod,
kiitos vihjeitä , isoäitini on peräisin esspo , joten minun juuret ovat myös suomalainen makeita selkounien
Thanks for the tips S. Thats so perfect I will start reality checking when the kids are taking so frustaratingly long with something ( i seriously wonder if they have some sloth dna sometimes ) but that will be a perfect time to do some reality checking .
I think i realized last night i was dreaming but of course i woke up at the same second :-) the dream was soooo crazy in the end my husband was standing in a fish tank fighting a huge fish so i came to tell him what are you doing and realized this is too crazy and also sat up in bed, hehe

Originally Posted by oneironautics

I have been feeling aware for a few minutes in each dream...

Since starting to practice, have started waking up after 2 or 3 times a night without a clock to write a few words down and more and more dreams are becoming clearer and longer and more detailed, had a dream the other night it was so long and i was searching for something i started to get bored in the dream, when i woke i thought it was really a good thing because hopefully when i do get proper lucid my dreams will also be soo long :-)

My most common dream sign is my kids any tips on how i could be using them in the dream to become aware??

-This is a great sign!

-This is a good practice to have and yes, you can have nice lengthy lucid dreams. Just try to stay calm when you do become lucid and remind yourself that this is all your dream. Also having some goals in place like you mentioned before (going to certain places, fears, etc) will help to extend your dream because you are focused on what else you want to do and less likely to forget that you are dreaming or wake up because you "became lucid" and that is all you were trying to do.

-See my next response but I wanted to add something I thought about. I notice that in dreams, many times the people I know in waking life will have slightly different features in their face or body size, sometimes younger than they currently are. So if you get into a habit of looking at your kids closely in waking and dreaming, you may catch differences like this and realize that you are dreaming.

Originally Posted by Saizaphod

I think lots of proper reality checks in their presence could give good results, probably mental ones. " What were we doing ten minutes ago? How did we get here?"

This is excellent advice because you may find yourself asking these same questions in other dream scenes, even if your kids are not in that dream.

Originally Posted by oneironautics

I think i realized last night i was dreaming but of course i woke up at the same second :-) the dream was soooo crazy in the end my husband was standing in a fish tank fighting a huge fish so i came to tell him what are you doing and realized this is too crazy and also sat up in bed, hehe

This is often how we start, realizing right at the end of a dream, or just waking up from excitement. You can quickly find ways to stay calm as mentioned earlier and you will also find that you can notice that you are dreaming earlier and earlier within the REM periods.

Great progress!

before i went to sleep i was thinking about some key words; Determination, Courage, and Commitment....
and yesterdays homework, just for fun.
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ëndërruar kulluar
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الحلم الواضح
txukunena ametsetan
ўсвядомленае сон
প্রাঞ্জল স্বপ্ন
lucidno sanjanje
просветлено мечтателство
清醒夢
Sognu dinò un
lucidní snění
kirgaste unenägude
selkounien
le rêve lucide
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διαυγές όνειρο
lucid i moe ai
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tudatos álmodás
明晰夢
lucidus somniantes
gaišs sapņi
луцидно сонување
сэргэлэн мөрөөдөж
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TJOHOO,, Last night i had the most amazing dream and it was definetly LUCID!!

I was in a very white sort of void staring at a piece of paper for a long time trying to read what it said, and suddenly i realized it says Lucid Dreaming, and i jumped up and said im dreaming, suddenly i was in a very black sort of void and was aware, but also looking at another me (maybe my subconcious) i was spinning/floating around super slowly and all these options and scenarios were floating around like i could chose where to go, and then i was suddenly in a kind of dance studio ready to celebrate my success :-)
I woke up a while after and remembered a few minutes i was in studio, unfortunately i was to happy to be bothered to write it down just figured i would remember... Oh well maybe next time :-)

Thanks for all the support Dream Team !!

Awesome, awesome!! That sounded like a very interesting experience! Congratulations on your first definite lucid dream!!

I am so happy for you! Perhaps you can remember those options floating around you and use that as your custom made teleporting interface that this dream gifted you! So cool!!

I can't wait to hear about your future lucid dreams!

Bump up that LD Count to 1!

THanks y'all
Where i loved dreaming before i think i am addicted now
I realized this morning there is something wrong with my pen i have to push down alot in order to write anything which is why i have been missing some dreams, also my dream journal is full,
So I will be spending the weekend Redefining my long and short term goals, deciding what boundaries needs to be pushed, and also finding new pen and book.

Have GRRREAT Weekend !

So this month I will be working on Defining Boundaries,

Dream goal 1
Indoors: establish the outline of whole room door,ceiling, floor, describing furniture carpet walls,
Outdoors: Find horizon and realize where things end and begin.

Dream goal 2
Look at my own body, count toes and fingers, describe what i am wearing, jewellery extra .
find closet and change if neccesary.

Dream goal 3
Describe Dream characters, hair color, eye color what they are wearing
have longer conversation with them.

Dream goal 4
Make a dream routine, basically i'm hoping this will help me remember my goals and give me more purpose each night. So i will try to do the same thing every night, for at least a month will update later.
-Get Lucid
-exblore surroundings
- check outfit
- find door
-go to work on vehicle; car, motorbike, bike, horse etc
-find work, describe route,
-read and write someting, talk with dc
-eat lunch, for example at restaurant place order, talk with waiter
- do some excercise ; yoga , swimming, running, (flying, floating )

(this is working already, did 3 things from list last night and was aware for about one second when i realized i could go straight home by just saying home :-)



a few other goals :

make jewellery, sell to customer, describe jewelery, customer, and how they want to pay.
make tatoo, sell to customer, describe tatoo, customer and how they want to pay.
find a cat, swim with octopus and shark.

Super, it's great to see a lot of dream goals! Having lots of things to do in the dream that you're really interested in helps to extend and stabilize the dream.

heres a crazy dream i think i was thinking about 2 things 1 task of month, 2 facing fears

Was making a adult movie with girl, the editor at the last moment changed her mind and decided to air it on national tele when she first said she wouldn't.
me and my husband were watching on tv, and i was super nervous to what he was going to say, he didn't of course hehe my dream my rules .

another dream i was flying over african landscape and beautiful tanzanit coloured waterfalls, i wanted to go for a swim so i came down but it was light blue water slides .
So in my dreams i'm realizing alot i can do whatever i want but not necessarily that i'm dreaming...

Wow, lots of dream goals and experiments outlined in your post before last! Like FryingMan said, this is great for extending dreams and keeping your lucidity strong since you have lucid dreaming goals and tasks that keep your mind on lucid dreaming. You are less likely to get lost in the plot and forget that you are dreaming and less likely to have the dream end because you are not sure what you want to do next.

Originally Posted by oneironautics

So in my dreams i'm realizing alot i can do whatever i want but not necessarily that i'm dreaming...

This happens and those dreams can still be a lot of fun, but the dreams in which you fully realize that you are dreaming will become more and more common with continued practice.

had an appointment irl that i was dreading, havent really remembered what i was dreaming, read in my dj the other day a 2 am dream ' Somebody was teaching me to LD ' + some undecipherable scribbles, grrr why are dreams so uninteresting at 2 am ..
So yesterday i was finnaly able to relax a little more, b4 i went to sleep i was thinking if i see dc S. i will know i am dreaming, dreamt about S. and set him on fire, and then he was setting himself on fire because he didn't get hurt , hmm didn't really help me get lucid but ok.
Anyway did alot of my goals, was in a fight and looked at my arm, finally can't remember doing that before, I was making an effort to see furninture colour of carpet cupboards and saw some walls, usually my rooms are just endless, was looking at some coins . was outside for a walk and it was feeling alot more like a walk then a 'float' and i was looking at houses and they were very full with lots of detail and weird shapes, was in a shopping mall with my sister looking for lunch, and in the end we took a train,
So i think i did everything on my routing list YAY

HAve a grreat weekend !!

last nights dream included
- driving in a car
- was observing the weather, and asking other dc why there was a tornado, they didn't want to answer
- checked my outfit, changed to go swimming
- went swimming, was breathing under water but figured that was normal
- talked with alot of dc's
- saw somebody eat lunch

also i tried again with ' if i see dc S. I will know i am dreaming,,' I fell asleep on their shoulder..

So mostly (besides getting lucid) my dc's are lacking in the most details, so i will try to focus on them .

I like your approach. It is a rather unique approach and everyone needs to find their own path. You will likely get the best results by meshing lucid dreaming fundamentals with your own unique path. Happy dreams!

I never was a good student, just ended up doing things my own way, but i have been doing alot of reading about wilds, and dilds, and ssilds, and milds, unfortunately i can't categorize what i am doing, it would just be a blend of everything.
I have always had a super easy time falling asleep, usually under 5 min. i try to go through my goals and mantras b4 i go to sleep and if i wake up i might try some wild b4 i go back to sleep but ususally i just relax and will fall asleep in 30 seconds...
I was practicing irl, when i go for a walk taking notice of people there clothes and hair and tatoos and shoes etc etc etc. quite interesting what i found when i really started looking (green socks and pink shoes, what?) haha
Also been trying to stay aware all day long, and some new mantras in the day I've been working on, this one is a bit long trying to make it shorter ..
When i dream i will know how too be awake in the dream,, or something like that and also ,, When i see dc i will know how too be awake in the dream,,

So the baby was up at 5 this morning, so i didn't get my most active morning dream :-( ,, but i did find alot of jewelery that i made can remember the color and shape, also was trying to sell cookies :-)

Thanks for the tip FB, I realize you are right off course i haven't really been commited in following a specific entry form. I decided to read through Sageous wild sessions, and I feel i am still in the mental prep stages, some time after the 16th next month i will start concentrating on wild entry, so until then i will continue with reality checking awareness and finding an appropriate mantra, and all my previous HD goals ..

Originally Posted by oneironautics

I was practicing irl, when i go for a walk taking notice of people there clothes and hair and tatoos and shoes etc etc etc. quite interesting what i found when i really started looking (green socks and pink shoes, what?) haha

When you notice things like this, also try to question whether this could be a dream as sincerely as possible and do several different RC's. You will have dreams at some point where, after you realize you are dreaming, you will be astonished at how life-like and waking it felt before you became lucid. A strong experience like that helps you to really put some thought into waking life RC's and to realize that any moment could be a dream!

Keep up the good work!

haven't had alot of luck in the sleeping department ( baby is teething) im pretty sure you have too be asleep in order to dream
Have been working on some reality, or maybe memory checks. For example going to coffee shop with a friend and glancing around to see what other people in the shop might look like , and then after i leave i will try and remember all the little details, and then a few hours later i might try again. It has made me wonder about peoples memory, I am right now living in the city center about 300000 people live here, everyday when i leave the kids for school we will meet at least 100 people on the way, looking at all these people will probably take alot of memory space or will my mind just block them out as useless information?
also i noticed i usually check out people similar too me like around the same age, so on the other hand my sister is living out on the country side going too the store she might meet 10 people, will she have a better memory then me later in life? anyway thought it was interesting probably some studies about somewhere.
also have been reading a text somewhere and after 5 min trying to visualize the word , and again after an hour see if i remember colour and everything, so thats what i've been up too hoefully i will start sleeping/dreaming again soon :-)

That seems like a nice exercise. Memory is one of the fundamentals after all: http://www.dreamviews.com/general-lu...ndamental.html

I would think that you are exercising your memory more than your sister in those scenarios that you mentioned and thus would have a better chance of maintaining a stronger memory later in life if all else were equal, but I am no expert on memory.

Edit: Sageous also has a memory component as part of the Reverse Reality Check (RRC) discussed here: http://www.dreamviews.com/wild/13181...prep-part.html

your right fb that was inspired by Sageous Wild sessions so he also gave some good advice :



... i have started wondering alot about how memory works maybe there are some good articles about them somebody could recommend?

Unfortunately I don't. Most of my knowledge in this department comes from the pre-internet era, via things like my education, experience, and many conversations with a couple of experts over the years. Sorry!

Have been working on some reality, or maybe memory checks.
For example going to coffee shop with a friend and glancing around to see what other people in the shop might look like , or when i go for a walk taking notice of people there clothes and hair and tatoos and shoes etc etc etc. quite interesting what i found when i really started looking (green socks and pink shoes, what?) ,, and then after we leave will try and remember all the little details, and then a few hours later might try again.

That is an excellent exercise. It's not necessarily a reality check, but it does seem an interesting way to remind yourself about how many details your brain disregards as you wander through your waking-life reality. Such a reminder can be very helpful in developing your ability to pay attention to your local surroundings, including your surroundings during a dream. Such a reminder can also help with your self-awareness practice, if you are able to notice your Self among all those details (given that the Self seems to be the most commonly missed detail in waking life! ) Plus, of course, with enough effort you might just be able to do a little rewiring that enables your brain to notice and retain more information than it currently does, which will be helpful to your overall awareness, and perhaps even your general learning and recall processes.

It has made me wonder about peoples memory, right now living in the city center about 300000 people live here, everyday when i leave the kids for school we will meet at least 300 people on the way, looking at all these people, will probably take alot of memory space or will my mind just block them out as useless information? Also theres more traffic and information all over the place always alot of information to take in, if my brain was taking all this in, will i be more forgetfull or lacking in other areas?
so on the other hand my sister is living out on the country side no traffic and only flowers or houses to look at, going too the store she might meet 30 people, will she have a better memory then me later in life, because she is not filling her mind with all this information everyday? Or maybe my mind will be more trained?
Here's how I see this process working:

As you move through your local reality, your senses absorb far more information than is really necessary for you to successfully navigate that movement, including making sense of what it is you're navigating. So, instead of flooding your perception with all the information received and ultimately confusing you or, worse, allowing you to pay attention to things that should not be a priority (i.e., stopping in the street to focus on the words stamped on a manhole cover rather than notice a bus hurtling toward you), your brain discards most of the things you see, hear, smell, etc, leaving just those things that matter the most... meaning, yes, that your brain does indeed discard a whole lot of what it deems useless information so that you can stay focused on what matters.

Ultimately, you will be supplied as much information as you can consciously handle or need, regardless of the amount of stimulus around you; and so too would your country-living sister: Believe it or not, you are probably retaining about the same amount of useful information that your sister does as she moves through the countryside. In other words, you might, say, pass 300 people on your city street, but you will likely only retain a memory of a couple of them, if any, and the complex activity around you will quickly become a blur of generality. Also, believe or not as well, there is just as much stuff going on in the country as in the city, if not occasionally more; it's just different stuff. A single tree or a field of flowers probably has far more individual points of stimulus than even the busiest of streets, not to mention that your sister probably knows many of the people she is passing, so her brain might be retaining more information than yours does as it passes anonymous pedestrians that won't expect you to remember that you saw them that day.

So, no, I wouldn't expect that your mind would be better trained than your sister's because you live in a city, nor would her brain have more available space for future memory. Our brains do an outstanding job of filtering useless information and retaining just what we need (or what its programmed to assume we need, anyway), and more stimulus simply means more filtering.

That said, if you train yourself to retain far more information than is deemed necessary by your memory's default settings, I think you might ultimately find yourself able to remember more later in life, rather than less. This is because you are not only teaching yourself to remember more, but also expanding your brain's capacity for memory retention (this is why we study, BTW)... and don't worry about filling it with too much information: as far as I know the brain's limits for memory have yet to be challenged, much less exceeded.

...also have been reading a text somewhere and after 5 min trying to visualize the word , and again after an hour see if i remember colour and everything.

This is another excellent exercise, for a couple of reasons, but mostly because it will help you develop not only memory skills but visualization skills... very cool!

Last nights dream included
- looking in mirror
- running
- checking out dc but didn't see whole just parts shoes, eye color,
-reading and remembered a drawing


Have a nice Weekend!

^Interesting dreams. Do you remember anything unusual looking in the mirror? Checking out the DC's - do you think that was related to your exercises during the day? Did you notice anything unusual while reading in the dream? Remembering a drawing sounds intriguing. I wish I were a decent artist so I could draw many of the things that I see, but it would look like an unartistic child's drawing unfortunately.

Sageous is one of our treasured contributors here on DV with decades of experience. I learned a number of very effective lessons from his posts and interactions with him!

Yep , routine from post nr 35 is working quite well, it might seem so random that i would end up doing some stuff anyway, but since starting my nights feel alot more structured and the parts i am doing something from the list are the parts i am most aware, so instead of just chasing my kids randomly looking for something (my conciousness) i am still chasing kids around and doing lots of stuff from the list :-) . although i did forget a super important thing (REALITY CHECKing) so i decided to update a little
Dream goal 4
Make a dream routine, basically i'm hoping this will help me remember my goals and give me more purpose each night. So i will try to do the same thing every night, for at least a month will update later.
-Get Lucid
-exblore surroundings
- check outfit
-REALITY CHECK
- find door
-go to work on vehicle; car, motorbike, bike, horse etc
-REALITY CHECK
-find work, describe route,
-read and write someting, talk with dc
-eat lunch, for example at restaurant place order, talk with waiter
-REALITY CHECK
- do some excercise ; yoga , swimming, running, (flying, floating )

looking in the mirror i looked pretty normal, but i was talking about myself , have started talking alot more usually i just think with telepathy.
Last nights dream, Was watching a movie with Jim Carrey, and then after i was sending him an email and said there something wrong with the cover it says Pioseners, should it be Prisoners or Poisoners and he replied and said he liked my job description 'Oneironaut' -- Remembered reading and Writing , :-)
also saw lots of DCs in wedding dresses and there was some confusion who the bride was.. also driving in a car ..