Quote Originally Posted by Sageous View Post
^^ Here's a practical thought that just occurred to me, Alyzarin: Are any of these drugs/chemicals legal in the doses you might envision (especially if GABA, for instance, needs to be taken some way other than orally)? Will they need prescriptions to be acquired?

These sorts of questions may seem silly or premature when you're still in the academic phase of considering the drugs, but if they represent classes of chemicals that are pretty much out of your average LD'er's reach, perhaps that should be noted? Or is it too soon?

Of course, if these things are available OTC or online, never mind!
The legality of these vary by country, and while I know it is possible to get 4-HO-MPT (as well as many other tryptamines and phenaltheylines) online in Canada, I'm pretty sure it is covered under the Federal Analogue Act in the USA, being very similar in chemical structure to illegal drugs. I believe this is because they are just for recreational use at this point, if it was medically relevant or had some positive therapeutic effects it may be reclassified.

You can get straight GABA pills at pretty much any health foods store in Canada, there are also a bunch of online retailers who you can get pure powder from (which is way cheaper), but you would then have to weigh out specific doses and put them into pills your self.

Alyzarin there are a few more experiences I would like to let you know about, the first was with 2-CI which is a synthetic analogue of mescaline, It was extremely clear headed, and filled with geometric type hallucinations, very cool, also had that kind of trip control that I had with 4-HO-MPT, I would have been comfortable going about doing my normal daily tasks, like going out to the store while under the influence. Unfortunately, it seems to be classified as a Schedule I drug now in the US, so that might make obtaining difficult/a bad idea.

The other is diphenhydramine, available in OTC gravol/benadryl, when taken in high doses it has this weird effect where you will fall into a sleep like state without noticing it, while a hallucination takes over as your primary sense of reality. for example you could be sitting at your computer writing a post a dreamviews, finish it, hit the post button, then go to your room, get undressed and tuck yourself in to go to sleep, blink, and you are back sitting at your computer, you haven't actually done anything, but the hallucination was 100% convincing, very similar to schizophrenia. A friend of mine thought he was in his best freinds basement while he was walking around our residence in my 1st year of university. It's a real mind****, the downside is it has an extremely heavy body load at these dosages, including lowered heart rate and difficulty breathing, as well as you look completely retarded to anyone on the outside. Would not recommend this to anyone, but I would be interested to know how it achieves this effect.