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      Dream guide?

      Is it possible to give a dream guide a specific look and personality, and make it act like it has a concious mind?

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      Sure thing. Most people won't classify a DG as one unless it seems to have a mind of its own so yeah. I once hired a DG for fun, but that didn't last long.
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      I don't know how much you can really decide about your dream guide. Dream guides are (depending on your views) either representations of your subconscious mind or spiritual beings here to guide you in lucid dreaming, and sometimes other aspects of your life. Therefore they, almost by requirement must fill a specific role; act and look a certain way to convey their message to you. If you want to try and change them go ahead, but I wouldn't recommend it.
      Also, dream guides will act as if they have a conscious mind by default. This is a good way to pick them out of a crowd. They are much more intelligent than random dream characters.

      If you want to create a mail-order dream character, then, so far as I can tell, this is totally do-able. IWL, you should establish what this character is. Draw pictures of them. Write out stories of how they would react in certain situations. You need to know everything about them, as if they were someone really close to you like a best friend. The more you know this character, the better.
      Once you know this character like the back of your hand, you can use either autosuggestion or a summoning technique (or both) to bring them into your dream.
      If you have done a good job, the dream character should take on a life of their own, and should be conscious just like a living, breathing human being.

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      Quote Originally Posted by JadeGreen View Post
      I don't know how much you can really decide about your dream guide. Dream guides are (depending on your views) either representations of your subconscious mind or spiritual beings here to guide you in lucid dreaming, and sometimes other aspects of your life. Therefore they, almost by requirement must fill a specific role; act and look a certain way to convey their message to you. If you want to try and change them go ahead, but I wouldn't recommend it.
      Also, dream guides will act as if they have a conscious mind by default. This is a good way to pick them out of a crowd. They are much more intelligent than random dream characters.

      If you want to create a mail-order dream character, then, so far as I can tell, this is totally do-able. IWL, you should establish what this character is. Draw pictures of them. Write out stories of how they would react in certain situations. You need to know everything about them, as if they were someone really close to you like a best friend. The more you know this character, the better.
      Once you know this character like the back of your hand, you can use either autosuggestion or a summoning technique (or both) to bring them into your dream.
      If you have done a good job, the dream character should take on a life of their own, and should be conscious just like a living, breathing human being.
      Cool thing, thought it would be just like any dream character.

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      Dream guides are not at all like regular dream characters. I find them to:

      -Be far more intelligent than regular dream characters, and say more meaningful, and react in more meaningful ways to stimuli. I often find my guide to be even more responsive than dream characters based off of close friends or family.

      -Be clearer and more vivid in their appearance than regular dream characters.

      -Appear more often than regular dream characters, and have a regular appearance.

      -Some dreamers report that their dream guides give off an aura or energy that they can sense; they see the character and instantly know that it is a guide.

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      Quote Originally Posted by JadeGreen View Post
      Dream guides are not at all like regular dream characters. I find them to:

      -Be far more intelligent than regular dream characters, and say more meaningful, and react in more meaningful ways to stimuli. I often find my guide to be even more responsive than dream characters based off of close friends or family.

      -Be clearer and more vivid in their appearance than regular dream characters.

      -Appear more often than regular dream characters, and have a regular appearance.

      -Some dreamers report that their dream guides give off an aura or energy that they can sense; they see the character and instantly know that it is a guide.
      Amazing.
      Since i'm having problems with control, i'll ask my DG once i see it to lend me some power. Gotta look epic.
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      Quote Originally Posted by TheAssassin56 View Post
      Is it possible to give a dream guide a specific look and personality, and make it act like it has a concious mind?
      Why do people assume that you need a dream guide? All of my lucid dreams I never have used a 'dream guide'. I am the one dreaming. I can seek beings in the dream. But I won't call them my dreamguide.

      I think Lucid dreaming is a lot more complex than people imagine. Control is not just a simple technique. If you have spiritual issues, they will come out in your dreams and inhibit your lucid dreaming. Also I believe when Dreaming, it is not just inside your mind, you could be in contact with real entities (I believe that's why they seem more real than other characters, not because they are 'dream guides') My view of dreaming goes beyond a neurologist that it all comes from your mind. I have dreamt things that I could not have known about. Such as places that I later encountered in real life. In the words of Bill O'reilly. "you can't explain that".
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      Quote Originally Posted by Deanstar View Post
      Why do people assume that you need a dream guide? All of my lucid dreams I never have used a 'dream guide'. I am the one dreaming. I can seek beings in the dream. But I won't call them my dreamguide.

      I think Lucid dreaming is a lot more complex than people imagine. Control is not just a simple technique. If you have spiritual issues, they will come out in your dreams and inhibit your lucid dreaming. Also I believe when Dreaming, it is not just inside your mind, you could be in contact with real entities (I believe that's why they seem more real than other characters, not because they are 'dream guides') My view of dreaming goes beyond a neurologist that it all comes from your mind. I have dreamt things that I could not have known about. Such as places that I later encountered in real life. In the words of Bill O'reilly. "you can't explain that".
      Well i don't rely on that prespective, just making things fun. But i'm not so experienced at Lucid dreaming which is why i look to be missing a lot of things. Just not enough experience.
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      Quote Originally Posted by Deanstar View Post
      Why do people assume that you need a dream guide? All of my lucid dreams I never have used a 'dream guide'. I am the one dreaming. I can seek beings in the dream. But I won't call them my dreamguide.

      I think Lucid dreaming is a lot more complex than people imagine. Control is not just a simple technique. If you have spiritual issues, they will come out in your dreams and inhibit your lucid dreaming. Also I believe when Dreaming, it is not just inside your mind, you could be in contact with real entities (I believe that's why they seem more real than other characters, not because they are 'dream guides') My view of dreaming goes beyond a neurologist that it all comes from your mind. I have dreamt things that I could not have known about. Such as places that I later encountered in real life. In the words of Bill O'reilly. "you can't explain that".
      I definitely agree with this. I don't believe that a Dream Guide is necessarily needed, but for me he/she is definitely welcome. I have heard of people overcoming fears just by going on certain adventures with their Dream Guide that pertain to that fear. I have also heard of the Dream Guide unlocking certain creative potential which is something that I would be very interested in. This would give you a deeper look into yourself while also communicating with someone not of this world who might give you a completely different perspective that you didn't even think was possible
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      Quote Originally Posted by DownrightDreamr View Post
      I definitely agree with this. I don't believe that a Dream Guide is necessarily needed, but for me he/she is definitely welcome. I have heard of people overcoming fears just by going on certain adventures with their Dream Guide that pertain to that fear. I have also heard of the Dream Guide unlocking certain creative potential which is something that I would be very interested in. This would give you a deeper look into yourself while also communicating with someone not of this world who might give you a completely different perspective that you didn't even think was possible
      That's a point. I never thought much about dream guides. But it does opens the door I guess to a lot of possibilities. As I mentioned I would treat a dream guide as if I was attempting to make contact with an actual entity, so it would be a bit different to me. I guess you could cook up your own character somehow, but I always find it highly unpredicatable. It's not like creating a tree or a car in a dream. They start walking talking and who knows what it becomes, they can even attack you lol. I think once or twice I did tell people, "hey you know this is a dream, your in a dream" and like I tried to convince them about it. Sometimes they would act like they were really interested and "what do we do now" sort of thinking. And other times they would try and avoid any interaction. It's interesting cause when you invoke a dream guide, that in itself is a concept that can open all sorts of things just on it's own.

      There is potential problems with it like that other person I was reading on here, they had this dreamguide character always turning up and harassing them! I think if you take dreamguides too litrally, they could even spoil it. But on the other hand it's also a fairly romantic concept you could find the man or woman of your dreams, litrally lol.
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      Quote Originally Posted by Deanstar View Post
      That's a point. I never thought much about dream guides. But it does opens the door I guess to a lot of possibilities. As I mentioned I would treat a dream guide as if I was attempting to make contact with an actual entity, so it would be a bit different to me. I guess you could cook up your own character somehow, but I always find it highly unpredicatable. It's not like creating a tree or a car in a dream. They start walking talking and who knows what it becomes, they can even attack you lol. I think once or twice I did tell people, "hey you know this is a dream, your in a dream" and like I tried to convince them about it. Sometimes they would act like they were really interested and "what do we do now" sort of thinking. And other times they would try and avoid any interaction. It's interesting cause when you invoke a dream guide, that in itself is a concept that can open all sorts of things just on it's own.

      There is potential problems with it like that other person I was reading on here, they had this dreamguide character always turning up and harassing them! I think if you take dreamguides too litrally, they could even spoil it. But on the other hand it's also a fairly romantic concept you could find the man or woman of your dreams, litrally lol.
      I think that there is definitely a difference between your dream guide and your other dream characters (I have yet to have my first lucid dream so this is purely an untested theory). I feel that your regular dream characters can be manipulated by your will while your dream guide would be a higher entity that could not be as easily manipulated or maybe could not be manipulated at all. I have heard accounts where the dreamer's dream guide gave off a different energy than the other dream characters. I think that this is because the DCs are projections of your subconscious while a Dream Guide would be something else entirely.

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      Quote Originally Posted by DownrightDreamr View Post
      I think that there is definitely a difference between your dream guide and your other dream characters (I have yet to have my first lucid dream so this is purely an untested theory). I feel that your regular dream characters can be manipulated by your will while your dream guide would be a higher entity that could not be as easily manipulated or maybe could not be manipulated at all. I have heard accounts where the dreamer's dream guide gave off a different energy than the other dream characters. I think that this is because the DCs are projections of your subconscious while a Dream Guide would be something else entirely.
      This matter is interesting to me, i guess i'll keep trying to get my technique right. I have enough willpower to stop my DG if it ever goes out of control, i feel like i can.

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      Quote Originally Posted by TheAssassin56 View Post
      This matter is interesting to me, i guess i'll keep trying to get my technique right. I have enough willpower to stop my DG if it ever goes out of control, i feel like i can.
      Yea I guess I'll never know until I do some field research haha. Just gotta keep trying!

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      Quote Originally Posted by DownrightDreamr View Post
      I think that there is definitely a difference between your dream guide and your other dream characters (I have yet to have my first lucid dream so this is purely an untested theory). I feel that your regular dream characters can be manipulated by your will while your dream guide would be a higher entity that could not be as easily manipulated or maybe could not be manipulated at all. I have heard accounts where the dreamer's dream guide gave off a different energy than the other dream characters. I think that this is because the DCs are projections of your subconscious while a Dream Guide would be something else entirely.
      I think your theory is correct, years ago when I became Lucid, I saw this incredibly beautiful person in my dream that just stood out like some kind of angel, and naturally the sexual thing came up when I was Lucid, so I tried to do something with them. I was on top of them in the park, and these blue eyes just stared back at me, not resisting but not approving either, just a stunned stare, and was basically a message of "what the hell are you doing going to rape me" but it wasn't in an insulting way, it was in a loving kind of way. And from then I thought that dream characters are not just dream characters after that....it just felt like a different entity, not something from me. From then I have been careful about treating my dream as a sex toy.
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      Quote Originally Posted by DownrightDreamr View Post
      I think that there is definitely a difference between your dream guide and your other dream characters (I have yet to have my first lucid dream so this is purely an untested theory). I feel that your regular dream characters can be manipulated by your will while your dream guide would be a higher entity that could not be as easily manipulated or maybe could not be manipulated at all. I have heard accounts where the dreamer's dream guide gave off a different energy than the other dream characters. I think that this is because the DCs are projections of your subconscious while a Dream Guide would be something else entirely.
      From my own experience dream guides aren't higher entities, it's a just an importance we assign to them. In general the more important something is in a lucid dream the more focus you will place on it's detail and persistence. I've had two dream guides who act extremely naturally, but it quickly became apparent that as soon as I controlled them they lost there own abilities.

      There no evidence to suggest that dream guides might be higher entities, or the other way around. I think it's something you have to decide for yourself, but keep in mind that humans are the experts of delusion, even to ourselves. Just because an image jumps out at you doesn't mean it's necessarily unconventional. It's important to realize that we all want to be unique and believe in the otherworldly, so you can properly assess you situation before jumping to a conclusion.
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      Quote Originally Posted by dutchraptor View Post
      From my own experience dream guides aren't higher entities, it's a just an importance we assign to them. In general the more important something is in a lucid dream the more focus you will place on it's detail and persistence. I've had two dream guides who act extremely naturally, but it quickly became apparent that as soon as I controlled them they lost there own abilities.

      There no evidence to suggest that dream guides might be higher entities, or the other way around. I think it's something you have to decide for yourself, but keep in mind that humans are the experts of delusion, even to ourselves. Just because an image jumps out at you doesn't mean it's necessarily unconventional. It's important to realize that we all want to be unique and believe in the otherworldly, so you can properly assess you situation before jumping to a conclusion.
      Your beliefs play some sort of part in what you experience in your dream too. If you try to turn your dream character into something in which you want to control, it probaly will morph into your subconsious creation and any real entity will have faded out since you are trying to make it into something. That's how the dream realm works a lot of the time cause it's a dimensional field which you can navigate different. There is no evidence for tones of things. Did you know at one time skeptics didn't even think there was evidence of lucid dreams, that it was impossible. LOL

      Quote Originally Posted by wikipedia
      skeptics of the phenomenon suggest that it is not a state of sleep, but of brief wakefulness. Others point out that there is no way to prove the truth of lucid dreaming other than to ask the dreamer, Philosopher Norman Malcolm's 1959 text Dreaming[22] had argued against the possibility of checking the accuracy of dream reports. He points out "The only criterion of the truth of a statement that someone has had a certain dream is, essentially, his saying so."
      If you look back on lots of past statements in science about the impossibility of Lucid dreams, it becomes quite comical about the things they were skeptical of, just because they think there is no 'evidence' for something, it's never been a good measure of how correct they actually were.

      To me, when I have a Lucid dream, often it feels just as real as if I am awake. I in no way feel like I am in my bed asleep. I don't even feel like I am laying down at all. This to me goes beyond something in my head, it's an entire realm of it's own. I believe 100% that in my Lucid dreams I am outside of my body completely in a different dimension. Not that I am forcing anyone to make that conclusion, but it only seems from my experience the realistic conclusion to make, cause that's my experience of it.

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      Quote Originally Posted by JadeGreen View Post
      Dream guides are not at all like regular dream characters. I find them to:

      -Be far more intelligent than regular dream characters, and say more meaningful, and react in more meaningful ways to stimuli. I often find my guide to be even more responsive than dream characters based off of close friends or family.

      -Be clearer and more vivid in their appearance than regular dream characters.

      -Appear more often than regular dream characters, and have a regular appearance.

      -Some dreamers report that their dream guides give off an aura or energy that they can sense; they see the character and instantly know that it is a guide.
      I stumbled across this thread while looking for a conversation related to dream guides and I'm hoping I might find some help here.

      I first got into lucid dreaming almost 7 years ago when I first became aware of the fact that there was one boy appearing in almost all of my dreams. And even though my dream characters rarely have any sort of identifying features (at least that I remember when I wake up) I always knew when this boy showed up that it was HIM and not just some other dream character because it was as if he knew me better than I knew myself even. He never spoke to me, but would follow me around through my dreams and I felt stronger for him being with me. When I told my counselor about him, she suggested he might be my dream guide, and that I learn to lucid dream so I can find out who he is.

      Turns out, I managed to do it (details on this in my DJ) and sure enough, even though he wasn't actually present in the dream I was having before I became lucid, once I did become lucid it was as though the frame widened and he was still there, off to the side, watching over me. I ended up waking up before I could ask him anything, but I remember the look he gave me when I approached him lucid. He was amused at how overwhelmed I was, but he also had this expression like... there was still something I didn't understand. Like, here I was thinking "I've done it!" and he knew that I'd barely done anything at all.

      Sine that night I've only seen him in a few of my dreams. He's become scarce and that makes me uncomfortable. Is it possible for a DG to abandon a person? What does that mean?

      A few months ago, when I finally got back into lucid dreaming (I gave up after I stopped seeing him in my dreams), I had a dream where I met, for the first time, a dream character like the boy (see DJ Entry #4 part II). He didn't speak to me, but when I approached him he seemed surprised. I wasn't lucid, and I think he knew that it was lucidity I was searching for because he went from being normal in appearance to being radiant. He even had an aura. I was totally overwhelmed. He led me to a place by the water and, though he never said anything to me, just kept smiling this knowing smile like he was in on some joke that I wasn't. But it was because of his smile that I actually began to question my reality. And, had I had just a bit more time in that dream, I know I would have become lucid. Come to think of it, that was the same look that the Boy gave me before too... huh....

      Since then I have not seen him in any of my dreams either. I hadn't thought of it before reading this thread, but is it possible that he was also a DG? and if so, what does it mean that I've never seen him again? Is it common for DG's to just up and leave after a dreamer interacts with them? How can I go about finding my original DG?

      One thing I have noticed is that the Boy does tend to show up in dreams where I would otherwise be alone. In my dreams I'm never alone (is this true for anyone else?). I'm always with at least one nobody dream character, but should it be the case that there are no DCs with me in my dream, the Boy will be there. Quiet, walking with me, not saying a word. And for a short while all will be right again. Most dreams, however, it is just me and the dumb ass dream characters, no DGs to be found.

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      It's possible you won't notice him if he appears or he won't appear for a long time. I had a dream guide like that before. Almost exactly the way you described yours.Now I rarely see him though. One moment their there, the next moment their gone. : /It sucks but if you have good dream control maybe you can make him appear again. Also, I usually am surrounded by lots of dream characters Too but there are moments when I'm alone. Which is sort of scary for me. >w>

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      What was your dream guide like? Where did he go? Do you have a different DG now?

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      My dream guide was mysterious, helpful, sensitive,funny, caring, responsible,quiet,and sarcastic a lot when he was mad. He took the form of a tall guy with a black cloak or jacket, Sort of average in size, had really long hair and piercing red eyes. I decided he was my guide cause he was a character in my dream when I was 5 years old. I wanted to bring him back when I was thirteen so I looked for him in my dreams. The funny thing is I would call him master for like a few years.I fought with my guide a lot because he wouldn't come to me to help me with the monsters and shadows that attacked me. He would always hug me and say he was sorry and that he had a job to do, that he couldn't just stop to save me all the time. I started calling him Dawn and soon enough I didn't care to try to make Dawn(Master) appear anymore. At certain times when i was doing something in a dream i would turn and he would be there in the background. It was funny cause one time i was walking in the halls and turned to see him behind me. I ran up the stairs and he chased me but halfway up i farted and when i turned he gave me a Σ(゚Д゚ノ)ノ face. Lolol Eye is another dream character that use to be there for me a lot(Waaay more than Dawn.Eye was actually the one who fought with Dawn to be there for me more.) and was a fun dream character but he doesn't appear as much now because I stopped trying to see him in the dream for months before i joined dreamviews and before animal crossing came out. (Hehe I use to play Animal crossing NL a lot at night.^^' I admit i wasn't interested in seeing Dawn or Eye around that time) :/ Now that I want to see them its harder than before. Honestly, I'm more surprised that Eye isn't appearing as much anymore. o(T◇T o) If a DC happens to help me in my dream they will be my guide for that time. But I don't have a reoccurring guide now. Also, what do you mean by where did he go?
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      Quote Originally Posted by Deanstar View Post
      Why do people assume that you need a dream guide? All of my lucid dreams I never have used a 'dream guide'. I am the one dreaming. I can seek beings in the dream. But I won't call them my dreamguide.

      I think Lucid dreaming is a lot more complex than people imagine. Control is not just a simple technique. If you have spiritual issues, they will come out in your dreams and inhibit your lucid dreaming. Also I believe when Dreaming, it is not just inside your mind, you could be in contact with real entities (I believe that's why they seem more real than other characters, not because they are 'dream guides') My view of dreaming goes beyond a neurologist that it all comes from your mind. I have dreamt things that I could not have known about. Such as places that I later encountered in real life. In the words of Bill O'reilly. "you can't explain that".
      True but this is SCARY. There can be demons, or angels, in our dreams. I hope its only angels for me from now on though.
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      Quote Originally Posted by DawnEye11 View Post
      What do you mean by where did he go?
      Wow, you have so much history with your DGs. That's so interesting! I can only imagine what it would be like to really know my DG. I mean, I feel like I know him, but what would it be like to have an actual conversation with him? Would he even talk to me?? (I feel like he wouldn't actually say anything, just lead me places. I get the feeling he's the strong silent type.)

      This might sound dumb, but I guess I feel like he's my DG and he shouldn't have anything else to do but look out for me. Like a best friend. Who wants to be best friends with someone who's only there half the time because she's too busy with her other, more important friends? WTF. Like what would Dawn do when he wasn't with you? What was his "job"? And why does he care about your well being if he's never actually around? Where does he GO when he's not with you? It's a dream world. Does he just mess around in your subconscious when you're not asleep? I seriously don't understand.

      :/
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      You should try getting him to talk but a strong silent type of guide is awesome too. :3 Maybe he will say something inspirational or funny. Try testing out how smart he is in a conversation. Now I'm curious to know what he would say. XD Yeah, Dawn can be a weird dream character. When Dawn wasn't with me and I would go looking for him, sometimes I would find him,sometimes I couldn't. When I did find him he would be doing things with other dream characters or doing things by himself. One time i was looking for him and was happy to find him. He was with someone and it looked like they were having a secret meeting with each other but I ran up behind him and hugged him. .+:。(ノ^∇^)ノ゚.+:。 For a second he seemed o.k. with it but than he turned, pushed me and did a whole combo of fighting moves on me. Than threw me into a empty room and left me in there. ┏┫*` ー ´┣━━●)゚ロ゚) One of the reasons i don't like sneaking up on the fool.For me his job was to fight bad things in the dream world and to keep things in check. It sort of seemed like my questions would always upset him though cause he couldn't give me a straight answer.Dawn did more things that showed me he cared at the beginning. He would walk into my room in my dreams and check on me at times, go on adventures with me, eat with me,walk with me and other stuff too.But than we would do things that would make each other mad so we started hating each other. After a while we forgave each other but he still seemed like he was holding a grudge against me. I believe that when I stop dreaming about him he goes no where and just disappears. But he is a very smart DC so it seems like he is real but he is not.
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      This forum is still active? Wow!

      Is it common for DG's to just up and leave after a dreamer interacts with them? How can I go about finding my original DG?
      I wouldn't say it's common, but I would say that it is possible. If you want to find your original DG, (keep in mind they might be 'gone for good' so to speak, but if they are not) start with some visualization. And then, once you find yourself in a lucid dream, (if they are not in the dream already) try summoning them.
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