: Motley : my recall is getting a lot better
? @PercyLucid:
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: Melkien : I had my frist (i think) LD. was like one second because I mentalized "i am dreaming" in my head and I got massively freaked out when I realized it
iarpo : My recall's improved and I'm becoming more aware of dream signs.
? @PercyLucid: I was clearing the log
: * bored2tears ¦ eats pudding.
: Motley : it used to be horrible now I can remember a lot of stuff
? @PercyLucid:
First of all. How do you feel after the first week? Did you feel any improvements?
: bored2tears : "[21:09] <bored2tears> Yes. I am remembering 3 dreams a night now, and slowly feeling more aware of my dreams. '
: Melkien : I had my frist (i think) LD. was like one second because I mentalized "i am dreaming" in my head and I got massively freaked out when I realized it.
? Freakishular : about on par, my dream recall sucked for a couple days
? @zebrah : Yes Sir
lucyintheskywithdiamonds : Yeah definitely getting closer, my recall has improved and looked at my hands twice, not sure if I became lucid though cause I kept going along in the dream
: Motley : my recall is improving and I am realizing some signs
? @PercyLucid:
excellent, I am very glad to read that
? @PercyLucid:
OK. So as you all know, this is the most important class, but does not make the 3rd and the 4th worth to skip
? Linkster17 : school has started so my recall dropped, hopefully i will get it back
? Linkster17 : ok
? @PercyLucid:
We are going to talk mainly about incubating dreams and waking MILD
? @PercyLucid:
Do you guys know what incubating a dream is?
: Motley : kind of
lucyintheskywithdiamonds : yeah
: bored2tears : I think I have a slight idea.
? Linkster17 : i think
: Motley : not very
: Motley : i have a slight idea
: Andra : not really
? Freakishular : thinking of the idea so it is brought up in a dream?
iarpo : Visualising what you want out of a dream?
: Melkien : no clue
? @zebrah : yes
? @zebrah : It is visualizing a dream and then having it
? @PercyLucid:
good zebrah
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? @zebrah : I used to do it a lot when I was young
: kidjordan : hello?
? @zebrah : Hi
: bored2tears : Hi.
: Melkien : hi
? @PercyLucid:
basically is that the way to go
: Andra : hi
: kidjordan : thanks zebrah
* zebrah ¦ read the logs
: Motley : hi
? @PercyLucid:
hi kidjordan
? @zebrah : yup
? @PercyLucid:
We were talking about incubating dreams
: kidjordan : go on
: kidjordan : ah
? @PercyLucid:
I was about to explaoin them
: kidjordan : go ahead
? @PercyLucid:
So, as zebra said right, Incubating a dream is visualizing the dream during waking
? @PercyLucid:
There is something called Daily Residue
? @PercyLucid:
Which means, memories from waking, specially from the same day are likely to be dreamed
? @PercyLucid:
strong experiences in waking, traumas, excitements, changes will increase the random possibility to have a dream based on daily residue
? @PercyLucid:
i.e.: My business got a big improvement which means benefits for me. It was something very exciting, and I dreamed about it a few times
? @PercyLucid:
We want to have a lucid dream thanks to the daily residue
: Motley : wait but woiuldn't that me more a DILD since you don't know it's coming and its completely random?
? @PercyLucid:
That is the reason we visualize a dream during waking, usually we will start out visualization doing a reality check when we are in a certain scenario
? @PercyLucid:
Nope. It's a 100% MILD
: Motley : oh wow those are great numbers
? @PercyLucid:
The reason is if we are focus (incubate) on a dream, we will increase dramatically the chances to dream what we have been visualizing
? @PercyLucid:
that is actually the real MILD
? @zebrah : He doesn't mean 100% success
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: Motley : oh
: Motley : ok
? @PercyLucid:
"I will lucid dream" is a type of MILD
: bored2tears : Hi, dakotahnok
? Linkster17 : hey dakotahnok
: Melkien : hi
? @PercyLucid:
But if we want to get the full benefits of MILD, we want to incubate a dream, start dreaming that dream, realizing that we are in where we visualized during waking and turn lucid
? @PercyLucid:
Hi dako
? @PercyLucid:
hi dakotahnok
: Motley : hello!
: kidjordan : so we visualize as we are going to bed. But what do we do during the exciting event (if anything)?
? @zebrah : {QUESTION} Does this increase vividness?
? @PercyLucid:
we were talking about incubating dreams, you will keep up later with the log
: dakotahnok : Hello, this class makes me feel welcomed
? @PercyLucid:
It's very likely, but it will go tied to how clear is our visualization
? @zebrah :
? @zebrah : Ok.
? Linkster17 : cool
? @PercyLucid:
So now, this is an awesome way, but there are many ways to do it
? @PercyLucid:
I am sure you all daydream, don't you?
? @PercyLucid:
That is a very good way to incubate dreams
: dakotahnok : YES
? Linkster17 : yep
: Andra : all the time
? @PercyLucid:
whenever you stay focused on your dream
? @PercyLucid:
and not wander on other thoughts
? @zebrah : yes
: bored2tears : I need to daydream more.
? @PercyLucid:
For proper visualization of a dream, you will need to use you five senses
? @PercyLucid:
or at least, three of them
: bored2tears : All but taste and scent?
? @PercyLucid:
The more detailed the visualization, the better will be the dream
? Freakishular : if taste works on my first lucid I will spend all night eating nachoes
? @PercyLucid:
you can do both as well, but it will be too much, specially if you are starting
: Motley : wait so do you only visualize once or do you have to do the same dream every daydream
? @zebrah : Taste, scent and sight are easiest for me
: Motley : i mean once per day
? @PercyLucid:
However, as zebrah said, every one is different, some people is more of a visual learner, others might be a hearing learner
? Linkster17 : sight, sounds, and touch
? @PercyLucid:
The sense you feel most tied to, is the one you will have to use
? @PercyLucid:
In my case, vision is the most important, and then sound. Touch is usually good to increase vividness for me
? @PercyLucid:
In addition of engaging you senses, you must engage your feelings as well
? @PercyLucid:
Is there still someone who did not have a lucid yet?
: Motley : me
: Motley :
: dakotahnok : i havent sense the course started
: bored2tears : Well, I had one before I did this class, but it was only a second.
iarpo : Not this week, but a fwe times before
: bored2tears : None since the class started.
? Freakishular : I've only had one for a combined total of 5 seconds
: Melkien : I might have. didnt know if it was lucid
: Melkien : rwas strange so..
? @zebrah : Lucid = knowing you are dreaming.
: kidjordan : I've attempted MILD 5 times before class started and 2 were a success.
lucyintheskywithdiamonds : just for aesond, not since th class started though
? @zebrah : So it is yes or no
? @PercyLucid:
Even five seconds is enough. Usually the first lucids are short, but they count as a lucid. As I said to many of you over the workbooks, the more lucids you have, the more will come
: Motley : no
: bored2tears : It can be a maybe. I was not sure once.
? @PercyLucid:
and I want you to be assured of that
: Melkien : yeah zebrah but I realized I was saying I am dreaming in my heafd
: Melkien : and I freaked out
? @PercyLucid:
if you never had a lucid before, just focus about how fun and how good you will feel once you accomplish it
? @zebrah : I see
: Melkien : I didnt know if it was in waking-sleeping transition or in dream
? Freakishular : I'm not losing any hope
? @PercyLucid:
Do a reality check, its time specially for the WBTBers
: bored2tears : Don't Freakishular!
: Motley : ooh I agree with Melkien
: bored2tears : I did one.
? Linkster17 : done with rc
? @zebrah : Mmk
? @PercyLucid:
good
iarpo : done
: Melkien : done
? @PercyLucid:
now, the best way to incubate a dream, is to engage your senses and feelings
: Motley : question
? @PercyLucid:
go ahead
: Motley : so today I had a fight with a good friend and I realized I was having a daydreamwhere all the negative emotions and the scene played out in my head and everything. was that incubation?
: Motley : not a literal fight
: Motley : but like a verbal....
? @PercyLucid:
more or less, I will explain now how to incubate properly a dream and you will know better. I am not in your head, so its hard to guess
? @zebrah : Yeah it would be. If that is the dream you wanted
: Motley : ohh... i didnt want that dream
? @zebrah : Yeah
? @PercyLucid:
StephieV is comming I think
: Melkien : rofl
? @zebrah : lol
? @zebrah : ok
? Freakishular : are you sure your friend doesnt frustrate you a little?
? @zebrah : Freakishular: that isn't the point lol
? Linkster17 : lol
? @PercyLucid:
Now, I am going to give an example how I do incubate a dream
? @PercyLucid:
she crashed again, lol
: bored2tears : :/
? @PercyLucid:
First, I like to close my eyes to do it
? @PercyLucid:
I am an awesome daydreamer and I can due thing in waking, and daydream
? @PercyLucid:
in fact, to test my ability I am visualizing right now a roman gladiator fight without issues
? @PercyLucid:
however, its always better to engaged the 100% of your focus on your dream
? @PercyLucid:
even if you can daydream as easy as just thinking, you want to only focus on it
? @PercyLucid:
So, I would close my eyes, and visualize the dream
: Motley : how long do we do it for?
? @zebrah : Percy has mastered Closed Eye Visualizations. Some people have the skill from birth.
? @zebrah : most don't
: Melkien : oh
? @PercyLucid:
that is up to you, but at least complete the dream with enough detail
? @PercyLucid:
and do not rush it
: kidjordan : question
? Linkster17 : lol, i think i have that then b/c i can visualize almost anything in my head
: Motley : so an entire dream?
? @PercyLucid:
you must be fully engaged. Sometimes in my lucids I feel like I have all the time of the world, a lot of peace feeling and tranquility, its hard to explain, but you might now what do I mean if you had a decent lucid
? @zebrah : yeah
? @PercyLucid:
The beginning, dreams might be long, but you want to incubate as much as possible
: Motley : ok
? @PercyLucid:
I will give an example on my own
? @PercyLucid:
Let's say I wanted to dream one of the tasks of the year
? @PercyLucid:
(this actually worked for me)
? @PercyLucid:
I first closed my eyes. Breathed deep a few times (we will touch this on class 3)
* zebrah ¦ wants to do the TOTY so badly
? @PercyLucid:
You can incubate dreams during meditation
? @PercyLucid:
or during non meditation
? @PercyLucid:
that is up to you
? @PercyLucid:
I want to add, that the more times you visualize the dream during the day, the easier will be for you to visualize
? @PercyLucid:
to dream I mean
: dakotahnok : 26582*9
? Linkster17 : cool
? @PercyLucid:
So, I closed my eyes, breath a few times and try to empty my mind
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? @PercyLucid: yay StephieV
: Motley : hi stephie
? Linkster17 : hey StephieV
: bored2tears : StephieV is here, woot!
? @PercyLucid:
your crashes made me to RC LOL
StephieV : sorry computer down and then couldn't get on
: Andra : hey
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StephieV : I have been so upset
? @PercyLucid:
don't worry
? @zebrah : It's ok there will be logs
StephieV : I will try and catch up
? @PercyLucid:
I knew you would be mad
StephieV : You have no idea how mad
? @zebrah : Percy can answer questions later
? @zebrah : or I can
StephieV : thanks don't let me hold you up any more
? @PercyLucid:
yep, I will answer them
? @PercyLucid:
were I was
? @PercyLucid:
oh yeah
StephieV : Anway glad to be with you
: Melkien : dont worry stephie
? @PercyLucid:
So (I say again so she catches it)
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? @PercyLucid:
I was just going to start to give an example of a full dream visualization
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? @PercyLucid:
So, I close my eyes if possible
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: Melkien : {Question for when you can answer}: How can you incubate while meditating when the point in meditation is trying to liberate from thoughts?
? @PercyLucid:
I deeply breath a few times until I feel calmed. While I do this, I try to empty my mind
? @PercyLucid:
yes Melkien, but after empting your mind, you just hold on your target dream
: Melkien : oh
: Melkien : so it would be
: Melkien : not thinking
? @PercyLucid:
Them I visualize a easy scenery
: Melkien : but FOCUSING on that
: Melkien : I see
? @PercyLucid:
In my case, I visualized my neighborhood, at night
? @PercyLucid:
I start a lot of dreams there
? @PercyLucid:
I would put all the detail, focusing on the senses I use the best, in my case, vision and hearing
? @PercyLucid:
Once I visualized my neighborhood, I visualize I am realizing it's a dream
? @PercyLucid:
I visualize my self looking at my hands (my best RC) and then testing the gravity
? @PercyLucid:
Now, VERY IMPORTANT
? @PercyLucid:
EXTREMELY IMPORTANT AND A CLUE
? @PercyLucid:
I visualize how I feel as I am turning lucid in my dream
? @PercyLucid:
this is a little hard to explain if you never had a lucid, but you will imaging how happy you are because you turned lucid
? @PercyLucid:
this should last for some seconds
? @PercyLucid:
visualize yourself excited (not too much though) and happy because you are in a dream
? @PercyLucid:
from here, it is up to each one, some people will want to visualize balacing the dream
? @PercyLucid:
other people like me never balance (my dream balance itself lol)
? @PercyLucid:
so, from here
? @PercyLucid:
I visualize myself looking up in the sky, and flying to the moon, I visualize how I would feel the wind blowing my face
? @PercyLucid:
how the sky stops being blue and turns black with white dots as I approach the moon
? @PercyLucid:
I visualize the moon, etc, etc, etc
? @PercyLucid:
As you are starting
? @PercyLucid:
You want to visualize something brief
? @PercyLucid:
In fact
? @PercyLucid:
You will want to visualize just turning lucid
? @PercyLucid:
there is a small trick here
? @PercyLucid:
and its that if you imagine, feel, visualize, let's say, a swimingpool
? @PercyLucid:
it wont be as real as if you go to the swiming pool in waking
: Motley : ohh I know what I'm visualizing tonight! (I just came from swim practice)
? @PercyLucid:
so if you are the whole day focusing on going to a swimming pool and you find yourself "for real" in a swiming pool
? @zebrah : I need to go AFK sorry
? @PercyLucid:
you should
? @PercyLucid: what is AFK?
? @PercyLucid: never remember
: Motley : away from keyboard
: bored2tears : away from keyboard
? @PercyLucid: ok, lol
? @zebrah : Away from keyboard
StephieV : Thanks for help Zebrah
? @zebrah : yup
? @PercyLucid:
just do not de-log
? @PercyLucid:
so, you should do a reality check, you even did not need it
? @zebrah : I won't
? @PercyLucid:
as if you visualize a Roman Colosseum the whole day
? @PercyLucid:
and suddenly, you find yourself "for real" next to a Roman Colosseum
? @PercyLucid:
you will realize you are dreaming without even a RC
? @PercyLucid:
I hope you guys understand where I want to get!
: Motley : wait
: Motley : so in the dream
: Motley : you won't need an RC to realize it
: Motley : if the example with the colloseuum was true?
? @PercyLucid:
you will because you are starting and it will be part of your visualization
? Freakishular : I will incubate a nacho buffet
? Linkster17 : lol
: bored2tears : banana burger. /me keeps listening in class
? @PercyLucid:
but when you get use to, you will say, "I am not imagin this place, I AM in this place so I am dreaming
: kidjordan : question
? @PercyLucid:
go ahead
: Motley : i think i get that....
: kidjordan : couldn't you also say "I am in this place (period)"
? @PercyLucid:
however, even if you realize you are dreaming, I like to recommend to RC
: kidjordan : like if you're in a real swimming pool
? @PercyLucid:
as it will increase vividness
? @PercyLucid:
that only happens at the beginning, once you get use to this, you will realize as soon as you dream it
StephieV : When you say visualize going to the moon and then visualize swimming pool do you mean 2 different visualizations or either/or
? @PercyLucid:
so you won't be visualizing anything real that can happen in waking
? @PercyLucid:
They are examples StephieV
: Motley : oooh so nothing that happens in waking
: Motley : ok
StephieV : okay
? @PercyLucid:
I said the moon as an example on my own, that I completed in the past
: Motley : nevermind then, no pool for me
: kidjordan : question
? @PercyLucid:
For the first times yes Motley, until you get the hang of it, so it will be harded to get fooled by the dream
? @PercyLucid:
go for it
: kidjordan : when is visualizing places you go to in real life a good thing?
: Motley : ok thanks
? @PercyLucid:
whenever you visualize yourself doing a reality check, yes
? @PercyLucid:
that is a good way to do it, but you MUST do a RC
? @PercyLucid:
as it will be easier to get fooled
? @PercyLucid:
I will make you guys incubate one dream, and will be something easier away from waking
? @PercyLucid:
to make it easier
? @PercyLucid:
OK. Any questions about Incubating dreams and Daydreaming?
: kidjordan : yes
: bored2tears : No.
: Motley : is that the method you use?
: kidjordan : so if we are incubating a real life situation
: Motley : oh
: Motley : wait
? @PercyLucid:
most of the times, yes
: kidjordan : what are the suggestions?
: Motley : never mind i answered myself
? Linkster17 : nope
? @PercyLucid:
well, that is up to you
: Motley : common sense kicked in
? @PercyLucid:
if you spent eight hours at work
? @PercyLucid:
you can visualize work
? @PercyLucid:
however, there is small issue here
: bored2tears : So, since i am always on the computer...
: bored2tears : I should visualize that?
: Motley : oooh I have one
? @PercyLucid:
if you visualize yourself killing zombines
? @PercyLucid:
zombies
: Motley : do we need to still say the mantra if we visualize?
? Freakishular : if you dream being on the computer and you normally are, you're less likely to question it
? @PercyLucid:
and then in the dream, you turn lucid you will enjoy killing zombies
? Linkster17 : lol
: bored2tears : But I am always on DV, so I am always questioning reality, Freakish.
? @PercyLucid:
if you do not turn lucid, you might still dreamed what you visualized
? @PercyLucid:
but from a non lucid perspective
: Melkien : Percy, the point of incubating is to create a scenario to get lucid. but can you change to one's pleasure later?
? @PercyLucid:
being a zombie dream, might be cool too
? @PercyLucid:
however,
? @PercyLucid:
engaging in feelings is extremely important
lucyintheskywithdiamonds : wow that explains a lot why I've been doing reality checks and even though I realize my hands look weird I keep goign along in the dream because it feels so normal
? @PercyLucid:
so a question for you bored2tears
: bored2tears : Yes.
? @PercyLucid:
do you feel excited all the time at your computer? You answer will be the answer for your question
: bored2tears : Well, I am looking at stuff about dreaming, which makes me excited, so yes.
? @PercyLucid:
OK. Then its a good visualization for you
? @zebrah : I am back and I read everything.
? Linkster17 : cool
? @PercyLucid:
Thanks lucyintheskywithdiamonds I almost forgot
? @PercyLucid:
visualize yourself doing a reality check, but that's it, do not focus on how the RC fails, as it might confuse you like happened to lcy
? @PercyLucid:
to lucyintheskywithdiamonds
StephieV : So the visualization should be something I get excited about?
? @PercyLucid:
Just visualize yourself looking at your hands
lucyintheskywithdiamonds : Thats weird though I just had a dream two nights ago about killing zombies haha, it was very strange
: Motley : we visualize it succeding right?
: Motley : the RC
lucyintheskywithdiamonds : thanks perry that will definitely help from now on
? @PercyLucid:
Yes. I will get to it with more detail later, and I explained some before you came in
StephieV : thanks
? @PercyLucid:
You want to tie you visualization with a "Yay! I am lucid! I will go to that awesome pool I missed today, I will fly, etc"
: Melkien : Perc
? @zebrah : lol perry
? @PercyLucid:
I will get in detail now
? @PercyLucid:
yes Melkien?
: Melkien : omne sec lost quesiton lol
: Melkien : here
: Melkien : Percy, the point of incubating is to create a scenario to get lucid. but can you change to one's pleasure later?^
? @PercyLucid:
Last question. I do not want to keep the WBTBers up so long. If you have more, write them down until end of class
? @PercyLucid:
Yep, of course. You are lucid now, in your own dream, you rule now
? @PercyLucid:
You visualize to turn lucid
: Motley : oh ok ill ask alter
? @PercyLucid:
that is what WILD stands for mainly
? @PercyLucid:
however, for people with low dream control
? @PercyLucid:
visualizing the dream will help them to get were they want easier from a lucid perspective
? @PercyLucid:
OK. So, now, about focusing just before falling asleep
? @PercyLucid:
If you made a decent amount of visualizations engaging your senses and feelins several times during the day, you will have big chances of dreamign what you want
? @PercyLucid:
however, if you can hold in your mind a scenerio before falling asleep will make it even a lot more easier
? @PercyLucid:
this is pretty hard for everyone, specially for adults who have to upkeep a household
: Motley : By that do you mean just visualize it over and over?
? @PercyLucid:
the more worries we have in waking, the harder will be keep a single thought before going to be
? @PercyLucid:
whenever you can and whenever you engage your senses and feelings, yes, over and over
? @PercyLucid:
we do that without noticing
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? @PercyLucid:
I had a few dreams about my new self employement stuff, the online meetings, etc
: Motley : I meant if the segment we visualize is short, do we just do it over and over at one time
? @PercyLucid:
cuz I have been doing it during the entire day
? @PercyLucid:
Yes, but do not get bored of it or it won't work
: Motley : Oh yes, definitely
? @PercyLucid:
It will go tied to your excitemenet
? @PercyLucid:
excitement
? @PercyLucid:
ex. I completed the July basic and advanced task on the night of the 31st to the 1st
? @PercyLucid:
I visualizing that my wings at the DV won't be gone (hey, might sound silly, but I like them, and if that helps to archive lucidity, I go for it)
? @zebrah : Nice
? @PercyLucid:
I also visualized that I was going to beat LucidMax, and felt so happy about it
? @PercyLucid:
and that is something I will touch in a brief
? @zebrah : Lol
? @PercyLucid:
I visualized myself comming at the next day, joining DV and posting proudly my "dreamwork" done that soon
: Motley : I'm confused. Was this all in a dream or was this just visualicing a scenario that gets you excited to use that excitement when you go to visualize a dream?
? @PercyLucid:
sorry
? @PercyLucid:
OK. Try to find a benefit from your Lucid in waking.
? @PercyLucid:
So, in my case
: Motley : Oh ok
? @PercyLucid:
The fact of joining DV, sharing my dream on the damn first morning of the month
: Motley : So that is to find excitement and then you use that excitement to visualize?
? @PercyLucid:
getting my wings
? @PercyLucid:
was a big benefit from having the lucid
? @PercyLucid:
yes
: Motley : Oh ok
? Linkster17 : lol, don't beat LucidMax too much, he's my adopter
? @PercyLucid:
usually the human mind
? @PercyLucid:
works better with a goal
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and with a motivation for such goal
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is something most of us use to archive waking goals
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what I did is was not more than a waking goal
StephieV : My biggest excitement is the prospect of being fully lucid
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The wings are a benefit for waking, beating lucidmax was a benefit for waking, completing the dream on the 1st, was a benefit from waking
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The day before
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I visualized the dream
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And also how awesome I was going to feel after waking from it
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If you find a benefit, if you believe you can do it and you visualize a dream engaging your feelings and senses
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it's almost a 100% success
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I would say, if its properly done, its a 100%
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sometimes it did not work for me, because I did not visualize a waking benefits other that "It will be nice to have a lucid"
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but if I trully needed to complete it ASAP
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lke the ToTMs
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It always worked
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This might be harder for you if you do not know
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but
: bored2tears : Got to go in 10 minutes.
? @PercyLucid:
have you ever heard about all these freaks who do group motivation?
: Motley : not until now
: Motley : but I can imagine
? Linkster17 : nope
? @PercyLucid:
well, it's basically
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one folk who shouts over and over you will archive your goals
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and makes all people to say out loud, "I will do it! Yes! Yes! Yes"
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and use body language at the same time
? @PercyLucid:
well, this also helps
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of course, if you are alone, please
: Motley : hehehe
: Melkien : perc I've g2g sorry will read the log later! thanks for all!
? @PercyLucid:
I will upload logs later
? @PercyLucid:
sorry, its a lot of stuff today, the other 3rd and 4th will be a rough hour
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but I could not reduce it for class two
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So, again
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When you are done with the dream visualization
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visualize how happy you will feel on waking
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how cool those wings will look under your nick name
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etc
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and CELEBRATE IT
: bored2tears :
? @zebrah : mmk
? @PercyLucid:
the way you would celebrate something awesome. like getting an A+ or a promotion at your job
: bored2tears : YEAH!
StephieV : What is ToTMs
? @PercyLucid:
celebrate the same way, and trully believe you will dream that
: Motley : celebrate after the visualization, before, or during?
? @PercyLucid:
Task of the Months
: bored2tears : I WILL BE AS HAPPY AS ZEBRAH SAYING YES!
StephieV : thanks
: bored2tears : Bad wording. :/
? Freakishular : I will make celebratory nachoes
: Motley : oh i see
: Motley : sorry
? @zebrah : yes
? @PercyLucid:
so, to be brief
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1st- Visualize scenery 2nd- Engage senses 3rd- Engage feeling (if turned lucid in the past, recall experience, if not, recall excitement) 4th - Visualize waking from bed, very happy 5th Visualize your waking goals accomplished (getting the wings at DV, sharing the dream, etc) 6th- CELEBRATE using body language and out loud voice if possible
? @zebrah : ok
? @zebrah : good stuff
? @PercyLucid:
And say to you self, "I will dream this!!!" The more you believe it, the better
: kidjordan : hey percy
? Linkster17 : awesome
? @PercyLucid:
If you can bet comfortably $1,000 you will dream it, then you will probably do
: kidjordan : I think you should've posted that at the beginning
? @zebrah : ok
: kidjordan : the summary
? @PercyLucid: as you would not bet $1,000 if you are not 100% you will do it
: kidjordan : as a sort of table of contents
: bored2tears : The 6th is lol... I can see myself waking everyone in my house up screaming in join.
: bored2tears : joy*
? @PercyLucid:
I did more or less on the Syllabus
: kidjordan : ok ok
? @PercyLucid:
I wanted to explain in detail first
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so you mind does not wander away
: kidjordan : yeah
? @PercyLucid:
we are almost done now
: kidjordan : people learn differently
: kidjordan : I like a table of contents
? @PercyLucid:
we skipped a little of the topic and we did the last part first, which was good
? @PercyLucid:
So, we talked about incubating dreams
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about daydreaming
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importance of being positive
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how to celebrate the accomplishment before actually dreaming it
? @PercyLucid:
if you have questions, write them down, and I will answer later
? @PercyLucid:
do a RC, specially if you are WBTBing
: Motley : ok
? @PercyLucid:
It's very important, to keep a static image before going to bed
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when you are trying to fall asleep
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feel happy and excited as you are going to meet your goal
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and try now to not focus on a whole dream
: bored2tears : g2g
: bored2tears : I will read the log tomorrow
: bored2tears : g'night
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if you did it a decent amount of times during the day
: Motley : bye bored
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? @PercyLucid:
you have a lot of daily residue in your mind about your dream
? @PercyLucid:
so, in the example of the Colosseum
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feel happy and excited and focus on the Colosseum
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do not allow your mind to wander
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this is hard, but will work with practice
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Before going to bed, avoid thinking about waking stuff
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specially if they are problems
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If you are good at visualization
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When going to bed, visualize a chest next to you
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recall all thoughs tha worry you, think over those thoughs, and visualize the thoughs placing it in your chest
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empty your whole mind in that chest, just retain the Colosseum
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this will be more efficient with practice
? @PercyLucid:
try to fall asleep, just feel happy and focus on your Colosseum
: kidjordan : I find that writing in a waking journal helps you organize your thoughts about waking life so you aren't worrying about them when you go to bed
? @PercyLucid:
yes, it does, we touched that briefly on class 1
? @PercyLucid:
it takes a lot of time though, so that is more up to each of you
? @PercyLucid:
but is definately a excellent way
: Motley : ok
? @PercyLucid:
keep your thougt in mind
: Motley : will do all of these things
: Motley : tonight
? @PercyLucid:
if you find yourself thinking on anything else
: Motley : thought I only have a little bit of time before sleeping
? @PercyLucid:
go back to your Colosseum
? @PercyLucid:
you do not have to do it before going to sleep, the chest visualization is fast and you can even do it after the lights are shut
? @PercyLucid:
so, whenever your mind wanders, go back to your scenery (the colosseum in this example)
? @PercyLucid:
you will fight your mind, but you will end up controlling your mind
? @PercyLucid:
this is specially usefull on a WBTB
? @PercyLucid:
I will talk about that on class 3
? @PercyLucid:
with more detail
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but for now, if you wake up in the middle of the night, keep thinking in your scenery
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after writing down your recent dream of course
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you do not want to blow it and forge it
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forget it
? @PercyLucid:
If you have any question about right before sleeping visualization and not allowing your mind to wander, write it down
: Andra : I have been trying MILD for some time and I noticed that I'd fall asleep imagineing stuff and then wake up and uncounciously continut imagineing the same thing I did before I fell asleep,Is this a good thing?
? @PercyLucid:
Indeep
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Indeed
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Its an EXCELLENT THING
: Andra : cool
? @PercyLucid:
You might even dreamed it non lucidly with low quality (specially if you wake up for the first time and you only slept through the first rems)
? @PercyLucid:
Last thing
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Let me know each of you, your next lucid goal
: Motley : right now?
: kidjordan : LD at will
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yes, until before this class
: Motley : ok
? @PercyLucid:
what you want to do in your lucid
: kidjordan : with complete control
: kidjordan : ah
: Motley : ill think of one quickly
: kidjordan : hmm
: Motley : fly around my area
iarpo : To fly, I've never had a flying dream my whole life.
: Andra : find my dream guide and learn how to control the dream however I want
: Motley : I love flying
: kidjordan : really my goal is to have lucid dreams in general
StephieV : I would really love to fly
? @PercyLucid:
OK. Well kidjordan how many lucids you had?
lucyintheskywithdiamonds : To do magic in my dreams, specifically to fly on a firebolt
: Motley : I just realized I have had lucids in the past before going on DV where I have flown so I will use taht as my motivation-the awesome feeling
: kidjordan : well
? @PercyLucid:
also you lucyintheskywithdiamonds
? @PercyLucid:
how many?
: kidjordan : I have had 3 this month
: kidjordan : because I've been actually trying
: kidjordan : and before that
: kidjordan : I had like 5 DILDs
: kidjordan : and maybe 2 before I joined DV
: kidjordan : so 10ish
? @PercyLucid:
Most of those goals, are pretty suitable, and that is what I want to talk about, and last thing for today
: kidjordan : all of them very short
? @PercyLucid:
Failing a goal burns your subconscious
: kidjordan : less than 1 minute
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even if you do not realize
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It makes me sad I see people who had barely one lucid or non, and their goal is to have a fight Matrix Style
lucyintheskywithdiamonds : I've had 2 lucids before this class that were DILDs like had a considerable duration, since this class Ive had another 2 but both times was only for a couple seconds and then kept going through my dream
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You need to find a goal suitable for your archivements
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if you push yourself too much, you will never archive goals
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your subconscious will get frustrated
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and you will fail in your lucid journal
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You cannot see other goals, but your goal
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If you have a few lucids
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Dream Flight is an excellent goal
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as flight is one of the basic lucid abilities
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and very easy to visualize
lucyintheskywithdiamonds : yeah Ive been reading harry potter before bed and even though I wasn't lucid I had a dream where I was using magic with my roomates to kill all these bugs
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lucyintheskywithdiamonds : To do magic in my dreams, specifically to fly on a firebolt
? @PercyLucid:
That is a nice goal
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but that requires a lot of control, stabilization and several abilities
? @PercyLucid:
that is a pretty advanced goal
lucyintheskywithdiamonds : haha ok
? @PercyLucid:
sorry!!! :p
? @PercyLucid:
needed an example
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do not forget your goal, but focus now on something easier
: kidjordan : percy
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you can fly without your firebolt and leave magic for later
: kidjordan : what is the relevance of the # of LD's we've had?
? @PercyLucid:
yes kidjordan?
? @PercyLucid:
Well, its not the # of lucids
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but how you feel yourself
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you need to know youself and realize what you have been able to do in your lucids
lucyintheskywithdiamonds : I read a dream journal where something did something similar and it sounded so damn cool... Ill think of something simpler in the mean time
? @PercyLucid:
If in your first lucid you flew and transformed
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And in your second, third and fourth you somehow did it as well
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go for a harder goal
: Motley : i would like to change my goal to just fly to get on top of my house
: Motley : eassier to visualize for now
? @PercyLucid:
if you barely were able to keep sleeping during you 100 first lucids
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forget about magic or transforming
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and set your goal to feel and engage with the dream
: kidjordan : dream control isn't a hard problem for me. I've levitated. Flown. possessed people. made speeches. Sprouted wings.
: kidjordan : I just have really short LD's
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ok... that is why I said that is up to each being
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I can't say that, analyze your lucid dreams and set a goal based on what you were able to do on them
: kidjordan : right
: kidjordan : ok
? @PercyLucid:
this is why the dream journal is so important
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So
? @PercyLucid:
I am going to announce
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the assignemnt as per my Syllabus
? @PercyLucid:
Students will keep updated their dream journal. A lucid task for the week will be posted during classes. (Very basic task) Student will focus on the task and anything else (no personal goals, no ToTM, anything but the task assigned until it's completed and posted. Students will also write down on their workbook their dream incubation (thoughts during waking and before sleep, excitement of truly believing the tasks is completed before actually completing it, etc) After the task of the week is completed, the student will post a second goal based on his or her level of knowledge in the area.
? @PercyLucid:
Please, forget about harry potter, dream guardians, being able to LD at will
: kidjordan : gotcha!
? @PercyLucid:
And specially, forget about the Tasks of the Month or of the Year until you complete this task
lucyintheskywithdiamonds : ok sounds good
? @PercyLucid:
If you were last night so close to ride a Unicorn, bad luck, forget about it, if you really want to ride the unicorn and get your wings
? @PercyLucid:
tell to yourself to do my "boring" task first, get rid of it and do the fun stuff
? @PercyLucid:
I actually rode for a second that unicorn, as it was not motivating at all, but it worked
? @PercyLucid:
so if you do it, lucidly, its completed
: Motley : Wow, this teacher is hard on us
just kidding
? @PercyLucid:
I want you to fly over a forest
: kidjordan : so what is our basic task?
? @PercyLucid:
Thats it
: Motley : cooool
? @PercyLucid:
Might be very basic for some of you, but I want to make something fair
: Motley : so do we do our own basic tasks that we thought of?
? Freakishular : just ourselves or does a vehicle count too
? @PercyLucid:
Visualize the forest
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as your starting point
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visualize looking around, how the wind moves the threes, the sounds, the smell, what it works better for you
lucyintheskywithdiamonds : thats a great task
? @PercyLucid:
visualize yourself taking flight
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and moving around the trees
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nothing fancy
: Motley : around or above?
? @PercyLucid:
if you fly for a few seconds, feel yourself flying while you are in the forest or above the forest
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you are fine
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up to you
: Motley : awesome
? @PercyLucid:
even if you are dreaming Non lucidly, and you realize you are dreaming while you are flying over the forest
: Motley : I am very excited
? @PercyLucid:
it will count as a success
? @PercyLucid:
that is all I want you to do
? @PercyLucid:
once you are done with this task. You will post it on your workbook
? @PercyLucid:
and PM me your next goal
: kidjordan : alright
? @PercyLucid:
Based on your journals, I will approve it or not
lucyintheskywithdiamonds : I'm excited to give this a shot tonight
: kidjordan : time for me to go to bed
? @PercyLucid:
and please
: Motley : I will do this!
: kidjordan : if we are done?
? @PercyLucid:
do not forget
: Andra : yep me to
? @PercyLucid:
to keep up with your workbooks, most of you did an excellent job
? @PercyLucid:
make sure you post in your workbook
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your entire dream incubation activities
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even if you forgot, note it as well
StephieV : Great task but I will definitely need to read the log to clarify
? @zebrah : woah I have been afk
? @PercyLucid:
WBTBers. Do a Reality Check. Close the chat and the computer (no e-mails, no facebook, no games) Go drink some water, other RC - Go to the bathroom, other RC, go to bed, other RC. Close you eyes and focus on a forest, anything else.
lucyintheskywithdiamonds : sorry Ive been bad with this, I will deifnitely start doing these descriptions in more deatil
: Motley : Question
? @PercyLucid:
and for everybody else, do what you please, but keep focus on this
? @zebrah : g2g
: kidjordan : is the only thing we are supposed to put in our workbooks our incubation methods?
: Andra : got it
? @zebrah : oh PercyLucid is class over yet
: Andra : bye everyone
lucyintheskywithdiamonds : Ive got to go eat some dinner, awesome class, talk to you guys soon!
? @PercyLucid:
So you are free to go, specially WBTBers as off topic will happen for sure
: Motley : If i am about to go to sleep, but have not showered yet can I still do these things or is it vital that I just go to bed now?
? @PercyLucid:
Time to ask questions
iarpo : I'm liking the task. Bed now though, it's nearly 4am - Cheers Percy
: Andra : thanks percy
? @PercyLucid:
you are free to go and WBTBers MUST go
: Andra : bye
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? @zebrah : Bye
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? @PercyLucid: cyA
: Motley : bye
: Motley : eveyone
: Motley : thanks a lot percy
: kidjordan : is the only thing we are supposed to put in our workbooks our incubation methods?
? @PercyLucid:
my pleasure
: Motley : I loved this class
: kidjordan : thanks percy
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? @PercyLucid:
your dreams, your feelings, etc
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like last wek
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but focus more on the incubating hting
: Motley : I am very excited now. Sucess tonight for sure!!
: kidjordan : I missed last week
: Melkien : man perc sorry just came back had to miss a part. will you be later for questions?
? @PercyLucid:
and your success or fail
? @zebrah : Very goodclass percy
: Motley : Bye all!
? @PercyLucid: thanks
: Motley : Good luck!
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: kidjordan : I'll look at others' journals and get a feel for it
? @PercyLucid: My butt hurts now, so I will leave the chat, but you can always PM if you have to come later
StephieV : Thanks Percy - I will catch up
? @PercyLucid: but I am up to questions now
StephieV : what is PM
: Melkien : Ok ima stay a little
: Melkien : gonna
: Melkien : read
: Melkien : the log for a sec
: Melkien : will copy paste
: Melkien : I will still understand righjt
?
: Melkien : so as to apply otday
? @PercyLucid: private message
? @PercyLucid: over DV
: kidjordan : cya
? Freakishular : thanks percy
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StephieV : Oh Duh!
? @PercyLucid:
so any questopns?
: kidjordan : recall will be trash due to the sleep deprivation but that's what the weekend is for
: kidjordan : last question
? @PercyLucid:
this channel should be emptied otherwise
? @PercyLucid: go for it
: kidjordan : you said that visualizing zombies is better than pools
: kidjordan : because you are less likely
: kidjordan : or rather more likely
: kidjordan : in the case of zombies
: kidjordan : to become lucid
? @zebrah : Percy good work so far
: kidjordan : but isn't a real pool better than a visualization?
? @PercyLucid: lol
? @PercyLucid: it was an example
? @zebrah : there may be a promotion in your future
? @PercyLucid: thanks
I just do my best
? @PercyLucid: a pool is indeed a good visualization
? @zebrah :
? @PercyLucid: but the more real waking life thing you visualize
? @PercyLucid: the more important you will must RC
? @PercyLucid: a zombie is a dream sign for everybody
? @PercyLucid: if you see zombies
? @PercyLucid: you are dreaming
? @PercyLucid: period
StephieV : Is the visualization of flying over a forest to be combined with mantra for a MILD
: kidjordan : unless
: kidjordan : ...
? @PercyLucid: if you see a pool, you might or might not be dreaming
: kidjordan : jk
: Melkien : so perc
: Melkien : if we had difficulty normally Lding? in my case its really hard
: Melkien : this should help A LOT ?
? @PercyLucid: Not at the same time StephieV
? @PercyLucid: After you entire dream incubation
? @PercyLucid: and celebrating you done it
: kidjordan : &^%^%$#^%&%(*&^)**&^7657^%^$^&%$
? @PercyLucid: you will say to your self, your mantra, like "I lucid dream"
? @PercyLucid: nice kidjordan hahaha
StephieV : Am I dreaming?
? @PercyLucid: Melkien
? @PercyLucid: first of all
? @PercyLucid: Melkien : in my case its really hard
? @PercyLucid: erase that
? @PercyLucid: in your case its easy to LD
? @PercyLucid: do not say that
? @PercyLucid: ever
: Melkien : no
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: Melkien : but
? @PercyLucid: that might cause a block
: Melkien : i dont mean that
: Melkien : what I meant was
? @PercyLucid: and make it harder
: Melkien : the first time I lded this week
: Melkien : I realized I was dreaming and got awake cause I became really scared
: Melkien : I t was strange
: Melkien : im trying to erase that
? @PercyLucid: thats normall
? @PercyLucid: I remember you told me that
? @PercyLucid: you can do something
? @PercyLucid: additional for you
? @PercyLucid: I do it for my Astral Projections
? @PercyLucid: if you believe in God, pray for protection
? @PercyLucid: if you believe in something divine/magic/etc
? @PercyLucid: ask to it for protection
? @PercyLucid: if you do not believe in anything
? @PercyLucid: visualize a white shield around your body, and realize that you will end the dream and wake up safely in bed
: Melkien : ok thanks
: Melkien : but
: Melkien : I still dont understand
? @PercyLucid: thats a must for Astral Projection, if you scare from LD, apply it to it
: Melkien : why I feel scared aobtu that
: Melkien : its so annoying
? @PercyLucid: thats a mental block of yours
? @PercyLucid: it sucks
? @PercyLucid: but it will be gone
StephieV : Am doing to do numerous RC's and go to bed to fly in the forest - thanks for class
? @PercyLucid: 'stop thinking about that it sucks
? @PercyLucid: a pleasure StephieV
? @PercyLucid:
? @PercyLucid: just forget about or how annoying it was
? @PercyLucid:
I once woke up from a scare on a lucid too
? @PercyLucid: that is normal
? @zebrah : StephieV: remeber to make your RCs count
? @PercyLucid: I was flying and a big tree appeared from nowhere
? @zebrah : Focus on why you are doing it
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? @PercyLucid: I had to loose lucidity for a second, as it scared me and I woke up
? @zebrah :
? @PercyLucid: happend once over thousands of lucids I had
? @zebrah : Linkster17:
? @PercyLucid: so its not a big deal
? @PercyLucid: what happened probably Melkien
? @PercyLucid: you turned lucid
? @zebrah : Melkien:
? @PercyLucid: you lost lucidity a second later
? @PercyLucid: something scared you and you woke up
? @PercyLucid: it was just bad luck
? @PercyLucid: I rode a plane over 1000 times
? @PercyLucid: the first time that my wife rode one
? @PercyLucid: she was scared
? @PercyLucid: we had so severe turbulences that I even was scared
? @zebrah : What are you going on about?
? @PercyLucid: it was bad luck for my wife
? @PercyLucid: so the same for your lucid Melkien
? @PercyLucid: it just happened that your first lucid, ended and a second later, you got scared
: Melkien : well
: Melkien : the
: Melkien : thing
: Melkien : that scred me
: Melkien : was this sudden feeling I was dreaming, not in my body controlling myself
? @PercyLucid: I see
? @PercyLucid: well
? @PercyLucid: try to not focus on that, and try to do the forest thing as I said before
? @PercyLucid: if you become lucid more times
? @PercyLucid: and happen the same issue
? @PercyLucid: PM and we talk about it
? @PercyLucid: I will change your mantras to a more mantra suitable for fears on Astral Projection
? @PercyLucid: but for now, just focus on flying over/though the forest
? @PercyLucid: if you keep getting scared while lucid
? @PercyLucid: let me know, please, and we will fix it
: Melkien : ok thanks A LOT
!
? @PercyLucid: one time is worthless to focus about, do not worry, try to forget about it
? @PercyLucid: if it happens, we will get rid of it together
? @PercyLucid: so do not worry
? @zebrah : Yeah
? @zebrah : You can PM me also if you want
? @zebrah : I help people with fear from time to time
? @PercyLucid: so, is that all for you guys?
? @PercyLucid: Linkster17 Melkien zebrah ?
: Melkien : yup! thanks a lot for class
? @zebrah : yes
? @zebrah : Yup
••• ¦ Linkster17 ha sido expulsado por zebrah [zebrah
]
? @zebrah : He was afk
? @PercyLucid: I had to do it last time as well with one afk hehehe
? @PercyLucid: well
? @zebrah : Lol
? @zebrah :
? @zebrah : Good job
? @PercyLucid: you are free to go Melkien
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