: Motley : not me
? @PercyLucid: let me hop
? @PercyLucid: i just cleared the log
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? @PercyLucid: good
? @PercyLucid: now
: bored2tears : Melkien.
: Motley : Ok serisouly is there any way to make the thing auto scroll with new messages or do I have to manually scroll the whole time?
: bored2tears : That's who cannot make it.
? @PercyLucid:
First I want to say, I am sorry if this week I was not as active as last week
? @PercyLucid:
If you followed my DJ
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? @PercyLucid:
You will find out from my comments that I got a new super improvement in my business were my income and the quality of my lifestyle is increasing a lot
StephieV : Congrats Percy
? @PercyLucid:
however, new challenges comes with that and I have been extremely busy
: bored2tears : Congrats!
: Motley : Good job!
? @PercyLucid:
but I have been reading you all, just I did not comment as much 
? Freakishular : you're helping us in our spare time-- who are we to complain!
: Andra : yes!!!!!!!!!!!!
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? Freakishular : your*
: Motley : I agree witht he freak.... This is purely pro bono and by choice so its all good
? @zebrah : PercyLucid: I have been slacking also because I am getting ready for school
? @PercyLucid:
well, I like to do things well done, I would love to comment daily like last week
: Motley : So did no one complete the task?
? @PercyLucid:
it influenced my dream life a lot, and most of the stuff is confidential, so I could not share
? Frishert : We understand
? @zebrah : I haven't been lucid the past week because of life
? @PercyLucid:
I did. As I saw that last night you guys were not able, I did the task
? @PercyLucid:
I waited until last night
: Andra : lol
: Motley : I call the credit!
: bored2tears : The students didn't, but the teacher did.
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? @PercyLucid:
And I just posted it on my journal. It's the dream that will show up first
: Motley : wait,,, that didn't really make sense
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: Andra : well someone had to do it :p
? @PercyLucid:
Dreamviews Lucid Dreaming Community & Resource - PercyLucid - Dream Journals
? @PercyLucid:
Dreamviews Lucid Dreaming Community & Resource - PercyLucid - Dream Journals
? @PercyLucid:
I wanted to do it
? @PercyLucid:
so you have it easier for this week
? @PercyLucid:
you can read my dream and tha helps to MILD
? @PercyLucid:
its a easier way to visualize
: bored2tears : I read it already.
? @PercyLucid:
when you read something, its written in your Akashic Records / Memory / Conscious
? @PercyLucid:
so will be easier to dream it
? @PercyLucid:
I once almost copied a dream from someone's else
? @PercyLucid:
I did not find pyrokinessis and waking on mushrooms path fuh
? @PercyLucid:
fun
? @PercyLucid:
so I just read someone's else and that night, I turned lucid and complete it, pretty similar, specially the mushroom part
? Freakishular : hahaha
? @zebrah : Nice
? @PercyLucid:
so you have my last dream to imagine while you read it, and will help for sure
: bored2tears : I would've completed the task, but after being lucid, I had a FA, and my RC failed during it.
? @PercyLucid:
for the WBTBers, it will be excellent
? @PercyLucid:
to read it after the class.
? @PercyLucid:
and we are going to talk about that
? @PercyLucid:
I am sure you all know what WBTB stands for, right?
? @zebrah : Yeah I haven't been doing anything the past 5 days or so
: bored2tears : Yes.
StephieV : yes
? Frishert : aye
: bored2tears : Wake Back To Bed.
? @zebrah : Yes
: taranosaurusrex : I don't
: Andra : yup
? Freakishular : yeppers
? @PercyLucid:
Good
? @PercyLucid:
Some people says that a minimum of 30 minutes its required
? @PercyLucid:
I personally think that going to drink some water, writting your dreams down and going to the bathroom is a decent 15 minute WBTB
? @PercyLucid:
do you all wake up in the middle of the night to write down dreams, go to the restroom, etc?
: Motley : I do when recall is good
: Andra : usually
: Motley : Otherwise, no I sleep heavy
StephieV : yes but if I stay up very long can't sleep after that
? @zebrah : no
: bored2tears : Sorta. I wake up, right short parts of my dream (so I dont wake up fully, or else i wont be able to sleep), then sleep
: bored2tears : I am lying in bed the whole time.
? Frishert : Depends, I haven't been WBTB a lot last weeks
? @zebrah : I usually sleep the whole night
? @zebrah : At least that I remeber
? Frishert : really needed my sleep
? @PercyLucid:
StephieV how about if you do not move from bed, do not see light, if you just remain awake will disturb that bad your sleep?
: taranosaurusrex : If i have any random awakenings I would, I don't set an alarm in the middle of the night though anymore
? Freakishular : i rarely wake up during the night
? Freakishular : when I do I try to WILD---and fail
StephieV : that is good but if I stay up and really wake up - I am done
? @PercyLucid:
good taranosaurusrex - I am against alarms
? @PercyLucid:
alarms destroys dreams
? @PercyLucid:
Well
? @PercyLucid:
When you are doing a WBTB
: Motley : How do you get up in the morning, percy?
: bored2tears : I decided to use my IPOD alarm of a voice recording. It is one loud beep, and then turns off right away. The beep is like, a second long. Wakes me up all the time, but I still am tired.
? @PercyLucid:
I just tell myself to and I always do, I have been able to do that since I was a kid
? @PercyLucid:
even if I wake up at 8am daily and one day I have to wake up at 6
StephieV : I wake up 3 or 4 times every night
? @PercyLucid:
I don't really know how, I just do it
: Motley : Wow... I cannot do that. I'll miss school and everything
? @PercyLucid:
that's perfect StephieV
? @PercyLucid:
I want to let you know, that every time you awake in the middle of the night
? @zebrah : notice that many times you set an alarm but wake up before it goes off
? @PercyLucid:
chances for better recall and lucid dreaming raises
? @PercyLucid:
Probably most of you if not all had lucid nightmares when sick
? @PercyLucid:
you wake up tons of times (10-15) at night, terrible sleep, short dreams
: Motley : yes
? Frishert : I normally never wake in the middle of the night, but in the first week of MILD-1 I did once
: bored2tears : Got to go in 20 minutes due to personal reasons. :/
? Frishert : at least, I don't remember I do
? @PercyLucid:
same if you awake un the middle of the night
? @PercyLucid:
you will increase your chances
? @PercyLucid:
When you awake in the middle of the night, what is usually your first thought
StephieV : did I dream
: Andra : i continue my visualizing without realizing what I'm doing
: Motley : any dreams I remember pop up, no thoughts besides that
? Frishert : "Hmm...it's still dark. It's probably not morning yet, I awoke in my sleep. Sleep. Wait, what did I dream?"
? Frishert : something like that
: Motley : oh wait what frish. said too
? Freakishular : am I dreaming
? Freakishular : is ussually my first thought
: taranosaurusrex : Yeah same here
StephieV : I go to bathroom and do RC
: taranosaurusrex : whenever I try to wild though I mess myself up and keep opening my eyes to rc, lol
StephieV : write down dream if any
? @PercyLucid:
very decent 
that is the way to go and I see you are in the good path
? @PercyLucid:
When you wbtb you must focus on dreaming and only on dreaming
? @PercyLucid:
My tipical wbtb is:
: bored2tears : When I wake, I first sigh (lolwut), then do a RC, then write dreams, then sleep.
? @PercyLucid:
1st- I ask myself if I am in good shape to DEILD (Will explain on next and last class)
? @PercyLucid:
2nd - If I feel like DEILDing, of course my wbtb ends inmediately and fall back into the dream, fully lucid
? @PercyLucid:
if not, I stay still in bed without opening my eyes
? @PercyLucid:
3rd - I repeat several times the last words I heard in my dream, or the scenerio or something I needed to recall. While I do this, I try to think at the same time as much as possible from previous dream
? @PercyLucid:
that will take around 5 minutes
? @PercyLucid:
If you are extremely sleepy, do this seating in your bed
: Motley : By previous dream do you mean the one before the one you are recalling in your WBTB?
? @PercyLucid: yes
: Motley : oh ok
? @PercyLucid:
4th I wake up and write down the dream, I like to use the technique "go back"
? @PercyLucid:
basically, I write down all I can remember and I ask to myself, "What happened before?"
? @PercyLucid:
this is more to a dream recall class, but is basically thinking
? @PercyLucid:
I go to the bathroom trying to recall more from previous dream
? @PercyLucid:
5th - I go back to my notebook and write something else if recalled
? @PercyLucid:
6th I drink water and do the dream incubation technique
? @PercyLucid:
usually at that time, it works like 20x times better
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: Squaddle : That helps
? @PercyLucid:
avoid computers... its said its good to come and read stuff from DV while WBTB
? !Alex : youre welcome
: Squaddle : THanks.
? @PercyLucid:
but at least for me, it blew my sleep
? @PercyLucid:
I go back to bed and lay on my back, using once more the dream incubation technique
: bored2tears : Is squaddle even in the class?
? @PercyLucid:
its specially important
: Squaddle : Nope
: Squaddle : I was just looking around IRC.
? @zebrah : lol
? @zebrah : Do you want to stay
? @PercyLucid:
to focus on the dream you wanted to dream, so, as the forest is your task, you will focus on that
: Squaddle : Nah its kay. I need to deal with my DJ
? Frishert : I've still got a hard time visualizing though
? @zebrah : ok
: bored2tears : Is the forest our task for this week too?
••• ¦ Squaddle ha sido expulsado por zebrah [zebrah
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: Motley : me too
? @PercyLucid:
yes, I will extend it further
: bored2tears : Thank you.
StephieV : great
? @PercyLucid:
I decided that yesterday, before going to bed, to do it myself so you guys have an idea
? @PercyLucid:
while WBTBing
? @PercyLucid:
waking thoughs and issues will come to your mind
? @PercyLucid:
you guys do not imagine how much I had to fight the thoughts from my new stuff about my business
? @PercyLucid:
but it has been an extreme impact in my life (good impact)
? @PercyLucid:
as big as I already have done "half american dream" LOL
? Frishert : You're practically PercyLucid2.0 now
: Motley : good job
? @PercyLucid:
a few thousands cash per month all from home, recruiting people for To Hire jobs and more stuff
? @PercyLucid:
sorry, I can't say, it's confidencial
: Motley : how do you fight those thoughts?
? @PercyLucid:
being stubborn
? @zebrah : User
? Frishert : haha
? @PercyLucid:
while I am serious
? @PercyLucid:
those thoughs are very stubborn... a lot
? @PercyLucid:
I am pretty good with MILDing and controlling my thoughs, and even, my DJ stunk this last week.... I fixed it last night with two lucids
? @PercyLucid:
I did not put a lot of effort during the day, as I was focused on all the changes in waking
? @PercyLucid:
but to fight waking thoughts
? @PercyLucid:
just be stubborn
? @PercyLucid:
when that bills comes to your mind, go back to the forest
? @PercyLucid:
when that new teacher shows up, go back to the forest
? @PercyLucid:
when that new promotion in your job comes to your mind, go back to the forest
? @PercyLucid:
it will be a contant come-go fight
? @PercyLucid:
However, its about stadistics
? @PercyLucid:
if while falling asleep you allow your mind to wander
? @PercyLucid:
you will blow your WBTB
: Motley : Ok. I have also had a problem that when I lay down, I have sa hard time visualizing the static image of a forest
? @PercyLucid:
if you fight hard, you have near a 50% chance to fall asleep with the forest in your mind
? Frishert : How can you even fall asleep?
? @PercyLucid:
if dinamic works better for you Motley do it
: bored2tears : That's why my scene I am incubation now includes a hot girl.
: Motley : Dynamic is even harder...
? @PercyLucid:
not good bored2tears lol
StephieV : I get over excited sometimes about getting lucid especially in early hours
: Motley : My image always fades after a few seconds
? @PercyLucid:
sex will blow your lucid up
? @PercyLucid:
in seconds
? Frishert : same here Motley, I'm just not a visual person
: bored2tears : No. The girl tells me to do a rc .
: Andra : yep
? @PercyLucid:
oh, good
? @zebrah : Sex in dreams = no
: Motley : Ok, just keep trying I guess
? Frishert : Although I believe practice will improve it
: bored2tears : I no. For my lucid this week, I resisted sex.
? Freakishular : so when trying to WILD, you wouldn't say there's such a thing as 'thinking too much'? assuming you're not focusing on your physical body, and in a dream mentality
? @PercyLucid:
if visual is not good for you
? @PercyLucid:
try to hear the sounds from a forest
? @PercyLucid:
if that works better for you
? @PercyLucid:
and focus on the sounds
? @PercyLucid:
you do not have to focus on a static forest, whenevert has to do with a forest, its great
? @PercyLucid:
when you read my dream later
? Frishert : I'll try audual then
? @PercyLucid:
I started non lucid in a building, inside a forest
: Motley : Oh yes, I can do that, plust I can imagine pretty well the smell of a forest for some reason. ok I thought it had to strictly be the image
? @PercyLucid:
awesome Motley, that is from last class!! review the log
? @PercyLucid:
any sense works the best for you, use it
: Motley : Ok, I was just veryfying... Maybe the rules changed
? @PercyLucid:
I do not like to recommend to do a big WBTB during weekdays or if busy
? @PercyLucid:
nop, I set this class like maths class, you will need stuff from previous class for next class
? @PercyLucid:
so all you learned last class, is used in the WBTB
? @PercyLucid:
that is why last class was soooo long
: Motley : Understood
? @PercyLucid:
so, you will use your awekenings at night to increase recall on your dreams and to dream incubate... as I said, works like 20x better
? @PercyLucid:
you are tired and will fall back into sleep
: bored2tears : Sorry, got to go now for personal reasons. Bye!
? @PercyLucid:
If you have time to sleep over
? @zebrah : bye
? @PercyLucid:
ok bored2tears good luck
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? Frishert : bb, b2t
StephieV : bye B2T
? @PercyLucid:
like during a weekend
? @PercyLucid:
you can wake up in the morning and attempt a longer WBTB
? @PercyLucid:
I do not want to get into that, as the longer WBTB are 60-90 minutes and is a different technique out of MILD
? @PercyLucid:
technically,
? @PercyLucid:
what you are going to do its just a MILD but you will do it during the 10-15 minutes you are awake in the middle of the night
? @PercyLucid:
I do not claim them as WBTB if you see my sign, I have no WBTBs... but I like to call them WBTB because at the same time, you awoke and went back to bed
? @PercyLucid:
so... to go to the topic
? @PercyLucid:
when you wake up in the middle of the night... as closer as posssible to a 100% focus on dreams and your visualization
? @PercyLucid:
any questions for the brief WBTB?
? * Frishert ¦ question, yes
? Frishert : erhmm
? Frishert : you said you'd "do a MILD"
? @PercyLucid:
yes?
? Frishert : what actually defines 'doing a MILD', because I'm getting the feeling MILD is not per se a technique but more of a mindstate
: Motley : Can we program ourselves to wake up or is it tied to recall and only if our recall is ogod then we will wake up? I mean I have noticed that I only remember wakiing if I remember many dreams.
? @PercyLucid:
you know what Frishert... MILD is more of a spiritual hard work technique
? @PercyLucid:
its the "easiest one"
? @PercyLucid:
its the most accurate one
? @PercyLucid:
but requires the most work
? Frishert : But it's not a sequence of step you perform, right?
? @PercyLucid:
nop, not like WILD
? Frishert : More of a general mindstate
? Frishert : ok
? @PercyLucid:
WILD leads only to one road
? @PercyLucid:
well I lie
? Frishert : so what do you do then if you "do a MILD"?
? @PercyLucid:
there is a fork, one way to Lucid Dreaming and one way to Astral Projection
? @PercyLucid:
but that is a whole different story
? @PercyLucid:
with MILD, you incubate the dream during the day and harest it at night while lucid
? @PercyLucid:
that was a typo from me, I am sorry
? Frishert : ok
? @PercyLucid:
your "doing" MILD is your whole day work
? Frishert : exactly
? @PercyLucid:
but when you awake at the middle of the night
? @PercyLucid:
in one of this briefs WBTB
? @PercyLucid:
you will keep MILDing
? @PercyLucid:
and it will be the most effiicient
? Frishert : well not only you, a lot of (misunderstanding)? people on the forums think it's more of a step-based technique than a mindstate one
? @PercyLucid:
yesterday I got congratulated by the Scheduling Manager that is associate with me that I had an awesome head start and they were very happy to associate with me
? @PercyLucid:
plus a lot of additional extra better paying work
? @zebrah : Sorry guys g2g
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StephieV : bi Z
: Motley : bye
? @PercyLucid:
do you think I was even able to MILD during day with that?
? @PercyLucid:
nope
? @PercyLucid:
but on one brief WBTB
? @PercyLucid:
I forced myself to focus 120% on becoming lucid
? @PercyLucid:
so I woudl be able to come today with the dream done to help you guys for the next week
? @PercyLucid:
do not think though that it will be good for doing that, because it is not
? @PercyLucid:
when you get used on MILDing, of course it will be
? Frishert : yeah, I find it hard to LD when I haven't been focussing on it all day
: Motley : I have another question- how long did this spiritual precess take for you to master
? @PercyLucid:
but during the first steps, a hard work daily focus will lead to success
? Frishert : as if those 15-20 mins at night aren't enough
? Frishert : ok
? Frishert : anyway, I believe Motley has some questions too
: Motley : I just asked one and I will paste the one i put earlier
: Motley : <Motley> Can we program ourselves to wake up or is it tied to recall and only if our recall is ogod then we will wake up? I mean I have noticed that I only remember wakiing if I remember many dreams.
: Motley : Thanks
? @PercyLucid:
that is an excellent question, unfortunately, I cannot answer. I am natural and when I was a kid I had tons of lucids. Maybe I saw a hot girl, or an awesome rollercouster that I was not allowed to ride... I would keep thinking on that rollercoaster the whole day and hopping to dream with it
? @PercyLucid:
I did not even know the term lucid dreaming and neither MILD... but I have been MILDing and LDing since I was a kid naturally
: Motley : Hhehehe does not getting to ride apply to the girl too :p
: Motley : Ok gotcha
? @PercyLucid:
Hey, I was 14-15 by then... a young male teenagers does that... but not now though
? Frishert : lol
? @Akono : we wakeup after all of our dreams @motley. when the REM occurs at the end of each sleep cycle which occurs around every 90mins
? @PercyLucid:
thanks Akono
? @PercyLucid:
that is correct
? @PercyLucid:
I want to add
? @Akono : np
? @PercyLucid:
you should focus before going to bed that you will awake at night
? @PercyLucid:
as strong sleepers
? @PercyLucid:
will awake for a few seconds and fall asleep again
? * Frishert ¦ nods
? @PercyLucid:
you need to get your mind to know when the REM ends, to open your eyes and move a little, etc
? @PercyLucid:
go ahead Freakishular
? @PercyLucid:
I mean Frishert
: Motley : I know we do, but I meant that I only remember waking and am aware after waking when I have good recall
? Frishert : no, nods in agreement
: Motley : How do you program like that?
? Frishert : I never remember waking up midst the night
? @PercyLucid:
usually with mantras... telling to yourself you will, etc
? @PercyLucid:
however
? @PercyLucid:
you should not overwhelm your mind with too many dutties to do
? @PercyLucid:
if you have difficulties waking up and recalling dreams
? @PercyLucid:
you will need to work on that
? @PercyLucid:
its the foundation to lding
? @PercyLucid:
the most boring but important part
? @PercyLucid:
once you recall at least 1 dream a night
? @PercyLucid:
or you wake up a few times
? @PercyLucid:
you are good for the next step, however, this is up to each particular
? @PercyLucid:
I cannot say something is good for all (like visualizing a forest with imagenery) because it will suck to other people
? @PercyLucid:
if you need to work on that Motley
: Motley : So I should quit MILDing until I get steady results?
? @PercyLucid:
your mantra should be something like, "I will wake up after my dream and recall it"
? @PercyLucid:
nope
? @PercyLucid:
that is some sort of MILDing too
? @PercyLucid:
you will be focused on waking up and recalling dreams
? @PercyLucid:
when you wake up and recall your dream (trust me, you will in no time)
: Motley : But should I only focus on milding for recall or can I work with lucid dreams as well during MILD?
? @PercyLucid:
you will do your brief WBTB and incubate your dream during it
? Frishert : good question
? @PercyLucid:
thats up to your own mind. How is your recall?
? @PercyLucid:
How many dreams per night or week?
? Frishert : bad, last week >_>
: Motley : Ok. I mean ever since this class started My recall has gone up and I remember waking at night mor often but the past few days its been going down a little
? @PercyLucid:
not last week, on an avergae
? Frishert : hmm
? @PercyLucid:
I recall 30 dreams each week, and last week I barely recalled 10
: Motley : Oh that just answered the question
? @PercyLucid:
due my new business stuff, so I want to see an average
: Motley : Wow
? Freakishular : Percy I have a question about dream control if you don't mind.. should I wait til the end of the class though?
? @PercyLucid:
yes, keep it for later
? Freakishular : okay
? @PercyLucid:
well
? Frishert : I'd say 0.5 o 1 per day
? Frishert : *to
? @PercyLucid:
this class is an impact to your subconscious as well
? @PercyLucid:
getting recall improved/screwed is a side effect, but a very good one
? @PercyLucid:
it means your subconscious is digesting all the new stuff
? @PercyLucid:
about lucid dreaming
? @PercyLucid:
and you are excited about MILDing
: Motley : Ok... per week I will say 6. But a lot of those are fragments and I have more unrecorded fragments that as I've said in my workbook, I keep thinking they are daydreams or hallucinations and don't pay attention tot hem
? Frishert : heh, never thought about it like that
? @PercyLucid:
so even if it sucks, its a good thing
? @PercyLucid:
your subconscious needs to settle everything
: Motley : Thats true. for that first week I was very alert at night and had great recall
? Freakishular : The more you get into the habit of recalling the more you ussually recall too
? @PercyLucid:
the stronger the emotions / new stuff in waking, the harder and longer will take to "digest"
? Freakishular : I never used to recall, now I ussually recall around 3 dreams a night
? @PercyLucid:
thats why peopel has recurring nightmares after a car accident for example
? @PercyLucid:
or I have been dreaming with my new entrepeteur stuff all nights
? @PercyLucid:
yes Freakishular
? @PercyLucid:
same applies for lucids
? @PercyLucid:
the more lucids, the more you will have
? @PercyLucid:
OK. Let's talk about mediation
? @PercyLucid:
do you have at least 10-15 mins a day to meditate?
? Frishert : aye
StephieV : yes
: Andra : I have the time but don't meditate
? Frishert : I do twice a day since classes started
? Frishert : morning and evening
? @PercyLucid:
meditation raises all spiritual activities a lot, helps your Third Eye to work better (thank it for your lucids) and will keep you more calm and focused for proper MILDing
: taranosaurusrex : I meditate only about once a week
: Motley : yeah
: Motley : but I am not sure how
? @PercyLucid:
Well... meditating is a whole new class... and I am actually learning how to well as I am mastering Astral projection
? @PercyLucid:
I do not want to share miss informtion about meditation techniches
? @PercyLucid:
the only one I will share
? @PercyLucid:
is the breathing meditation
? @PercyLucid:
Basically it has a few steps
? @PercyLucid:
You will sit comfortable or lie down (avoid falling asleep)
? @PercyLucid:
you will use the chest technique to set aside as much waking thoughts as possible
? Frishert : I found
Meditation Techniques Guide to be quite helpful when I started out, Motley
? @PercyLucid:
one your mind is emptied, the more the better
: Motley : Thanks Frishert
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? @PercyLucid:
does it has the breathing technique?
? Frishert :
Breathing Meditation
? @PercyLucid:
excelent, allow me to give it a brief read
? @PercyLucid:
Are you dreaming? Do a RC
: Motley : Wait, just wondering, why are you learning astral projection if you alreadky Lucid Dream well, Percy?
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? @PercyLucid:
because its totally different, I can explain to you later
? Frishert : I think breathing is actually important with every meditation...genre
? @PercyLucid:
That site is good, take a read later, but I will still briefly share what do I do
? @PercyLucid:
1st - Chest Technique
? @PercyLucid:
2nd - Once my mind is empty as possible, I focus on a beach
? Frishert : At your service, Percy
? @PercyLucid:
3rd- I write number 1 in the sand and breath deep
? @PercyLucid:
4th you will put as much air as possible in your lungs
? @PercyLucid:
fill them up as much as you can, if your belly grows means you are doing a good job, hide your ego
? @PercyLucid:
visualize the wave coming and erasing
? @PercyLucid:
the number you just wrote
? @PercyLucid:
as that happens, release the air
? @PercyLucid:
the correct timing should be - 5 second inhale
? @PercyLucid:
3 second shold
? @PercyLucid:
5 seconds exhale
? @PercyLucid:
some people might feel dizzy on the first attempts
? @PercyLucid:
ITS NORMAL
? Frishert : seconded
? @PercyLucid:
do not be afraid
? @PercyLucid:
First focus on something easy like the beach
? @PercyLucid:
once you get used to this type of meditation
? @PercyLucid:
you can incubate your dream while meditating
? @PercyLucid:
once you are able to breath deep without focusing on doing it
? @PercyLucid:
you can do a whole dream incubation / visualization while meditating
? @PercyLucid:
as I said, meditation will calm you and increase your focus
: Motley : Do you only do one number or is the number purely for timing and learning to breath?
? @PercyLucid:
and it works specially well for MILD
? @PercyLucid:
its just for timing
? @PercyLucid:
the number is so you do not get bored
? @PercyLucid:
and the waves coming and going will be your timing
: Motley : Oh ok
? @PercyLucid:
any questions about breath mediation?
: taranosaurusrex : Yes
? @PercyLucid:
This was the shorter class, but we did waaaaaaay A LOT on last class and I want you to keep practicing all the stuff said over last class
? @PercyLucid:
go ahead
: taranosaurusrex : So I have a hard time falling asleep a lot, so I meditate to clear my mind so I can go to sleep faster. So is it bad to meditate while falling asleep or should I meditate before?
? @PercyLucid:
good question
? @PercyLucid:
for people who has a hard time to fall asleep, mediation will improve them a lot
? @PercyLucid:
you should meditate before, to stay calm and focused during the day
? @PercyLucid:
but then, before going to sleep you should do as well
? @PercyLucid:
I always do
: taranosaurusrex : Ok, thanks, I will do that tonight then
? @PercyLucid:
I do the breath meditation before going to sleep, on my back (never sleep on my back)
? @PercyLucid:
I do the breath meditation about 20-25 breaths
StephieV : I meditate then incubate
? @PercyLucid:
yep
? @PercyLucid:
once you get used to the timing
? @PercyLucid:
you will meditate AND incubate at the same time
? @PercyLucid:
you will be calm so it will be a more efficient incubation than the ones you will be during the day
StephieV : I will try that
? @PercyLucid:
so, any more questions?
: Motley : Just clarifying, is the breathing 5-3-5-3-5-3 or is it 5-3-5-5-3-5
? Frishert : do you recommend meditating during a WILD?
? @PercyLucid:
I am not an expert at WILD, but it does definitely help
? Frishert : sry, WBTB I meant
? @PercyLucid:
as you want to calm your body as much as possible
? @PercyLucid:
no, during WBTB you won't meditate
? @PercyLucid:
you want to fall asleep as fast as possible
? Frishert : ok
? @PercyLucid:
focusing on your goal, the forest for know
? @PercyLucid:
now
StephieV : but you incubate on WBTB?
? @PercyLucid:
yes,
? @PercyLucid:
while you are drinking water, going to the restroom etc
? @PercyLucid:
you will be focused on dreams the whole time
? @PercyLucid:
as you have to write them down
? @PercyLucid:
when you are back in bed
? @PercyLucid:
you will still incubate
? @PercyLucid:
but instead of the whole dream
? @PercyLucid:
just your starter point like I said last class
? @PercyLucid:
so, in this case, the forest
? @PercyLucid:
Now. I want you to keep focused
? @PercyLucid:
on the same lucid task I said last week
? @PercyLucid:
take a look over my dream in my journal (the last one) its called Potential Dream Sharing with my wife
? @PercyLucid:
the last class will be a very interesting one, as you will practically master DEILD
? Frishert : awesomeness
? @PercyLucid:
Or better called LDEILD "LucidDream exit induced lucid dream"
? @PercyLucid:
has a 100% efficiently for me
? @PercyLucid:
once you get more used to MILD
? @PercyLucid:
you will want to remember to DEILD within your lucid dream
? @PercyLucid:
and you will MILD within your lucid dream and do a succesfull DEILD
? @PercyLucid:
it will be a lot fun
? @PercyLucid:
but for today, enough, as I said
? @PercyLucid:
last week we went through a lot
? Frishert : first, the forest
? @PercyLucid:
so I want you to keep practicing incubating
? @PercyLucid:
as its the basic foundation for MILD
? @PercyLucid: yes
? @PercyLucid:
and now dudes, thats it for today
? @PercyLucid:
try to post your meditations on your workbooks
? @PercyLucid:
so I can give advice
: Motley : Thanks, Percy!
? Frishert : sure
? @PercyLucid:
a pleasure
? Frishert : thanks, yeah
: Andra : thanks
StephieV : Thanks Percy - I am going to check out your dream now and go to bed
? @PercyLucid:
and PM me whenevert you need something
: Andra : same here
? Frishert : I'm going back to sleep, yeah
? @PercyLucid:
have a good night
? Freakishular : Can I steal some insight now?
? @PercyLucid:
as always
? Frishert : as always
? Frishert : baibai
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: taranosaurusrex : Ok, goodbye everyone!
: Motley : Good night and good luck with the business
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? @PercyLucid:
WBTBers do a RC, go read my dream, other RC, go to restroom other RC go to bed, focus and sleep lucidly!
? @PercyLucid:
I have to leave so wait around in the DV
? @PercyLucid:
I will be back in 30 mins
? @PercyLucid:
and answer more questions
? @PercyLucid:
see ya in a while!!!
? Freakishular : sure thing
Session Close: Wed Aug 18 19:23:27 2010
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