How to Love?

**Ivan452** · 10-07-2011 03:03 PM

I wanna know, do you Love yourself? Do you Love other people?
When I say Love, I'm referring to the higher meaning of that word that every religion or life philosophy talks about.
And when I say people, I mean people in general, everyone in the World. Not just friends or family.

Because today I talked to some friends.
- Friend no.1 is 23yo. Was in a hospital for a month. Barely made it out alive. He was a physical worker, started out young because his family had to flee their home town because of war. The moment he got sick he got fired. And how he is unable to perform hard physical work.
- Friend no.2 - her brother has bone cancer. Had his leg amputated. He is 18 year old. They live in the area that was bombarded with uranium, which is radioactive.
- Friend no.3 - had a baby 3 months ago. Diagnosed with cancer yesterday (friend, not baby).
- Friend no.4 - brother died at the age of 18 from the same cancer that friend no.3 has.
- Friend no.5 has a daughter 3 years old who is diagnosed with a tumor.

Now, no one in the entire world can tell me that war didn't had influence in that.
Besides that, stress + quality of food, water and air.

And I'm furious that people are not doing something to help others.
I'm furious at myself first.
That was happening in my country, and now its happening in Middle East.

Set aside my friends. While we are doing our lucid dreaming, reading books, listening to music. There are people in suffering every day.

I'm not trying to put a feeling of guild upon anyone.
I just wanna know, how to get through a day knowing that is happening in the world?
How to Love yourself, when you are turning your head away from this stuff?
How can I feel anything but hate?

**mowglycdb** · 10-07-2011 03:29 PM

I've been practicing ho'oponopono lately and it's helped me be at ease with a few things.

ho'oponopono is based up on the fact , that everything that happens around us is a refection of our internal thoughts and being. So when there's something bad happening close to you in part is a reflection of yourself. The important part is that you can take responsability for your creations and the creations of other people, so when something bad happens or something that hurts others, you look into yourself and heal the thoughts that created this, you don't need to know why , you just have to ask your higher self/ inner child to connect with God/Universal source or energy (just believe, do it with intention, let it happen and it will be done).

Then you repeat this words in your mind:

I'm sorry, forgive me, I love you, thank you.

You feel sorry for creating this situation, sorry for not understanding yourself, knowing yourself etc etc that made this creation appear.
Forgive me, you're asking you inner child , higher self, yourself , to forgive you for creating this suffering of yourself ( for faulty thoughts) and suffering of other people.
I love you, means you are loving your core, yourself, inner child, your higher-self and others.
Thank you, you thank the process of the past creation, to show you ( that this was your creation) and you thank yourself , inner child and higher self for forgiving you.

Keep on doing it until you feel good and you've felt forgiven. Don't worry about your exactly what you did, if there's something you need to know, you'll be informed

Good luck mate.

**Original Poster** · 10-07-2011 08:07 PM

This goes back to my philosophy that you should focus on your actions, not the result. Getting upset with the way things currently are is useless. Ignoring that there are problems is tragic. So how does one react to the state of the world without drowning in guilt or becoming Alex Jones? You become Sisyphus instead, and start pushing that boulder up the hill.

Instead of getting hung up on the state of the world, adapt a lifestyle that promotes a healthier world without worrying about whether or not you'll achieve it. Remember the story of the starfish.

One day a man was walking along a beach after the tide left millions of starfish drying out on the sand. He sees a young boy who's grabbing the starfish and hurling them back into the sea. The man asks, "What are you doing? You can't possibly save all these starfish." The boy picked one up, looked it over and hurled it back into the ocean before replying, "I saved that one."

**Laughing Man** · 10-07-2011 11:06 PM

Originally Posted by mowglycdb

I've been practicing ho'oponopono lately and it's helped me be at ease with a few things.

ho'oponopono is based up on the fact , that everything that happens around us is a refection of our internal thoughts and being. So when there's something bad happening close to you in part is a reflection of yourself. The important part is that you can take responsability for your creations and the creations of other people, so when something bad happens or something that hurts others, you look into yourself and heal the thoughts that created this, you don't need to know why , you just have to ask your higher self/ inner child to connect with God/Universal source or energy (just believe, do it with intention, let it happen and it will be done).

Then you repeat this words in your mind:

I'm sorry, forgive me, I love you, thank you.

You feel sorry for creating this situation, sorry for not understanding yourself, knowing yourself etc etc that made this creation appear.
Forgive me, you're asking you inner child , higher self, yourself , to forgive you for creating this suffering of yourself ( for faulty thoughts) and suffering of other people.
I love you, means you are loving your core, yourself, inner child, your higher-self and others.
Thank you, you thank the process of the past creation, to show you ( that this was your creation) and you thank yourself , inner child and higher self for forgiving you.

Keep on doing it until you feel good and you've felt forgiven. Don't worry about your exactly what you did, if there's something you need to know, you'll be informed

Good luck mate.

So you are saying that your mind powers are actually causing suffering? What you think causes misery in others?

**tommo** · 10-08-2011 01:58 AM

mowgly - Wtf? Go back to RS, SB, or IS.

Omnis Dei - I liked that starfish story. And I agree it is the right way to go about things.
Worrying does no good. Ever. But that doesn't mean to ignore everything that makes you worry.
Which most people do.

**Original Poster** · 10-08-2011 02:03 AM

People act like because the problems are too big for them to fix they shouldn't even bother.

I blame our egocentric way of thinking. Everything comes down to what "I" can accomplish and "my" legacy. The greatest positive change in the world developed from simple, gradual social evolution.

**juroara** · 10-08-2011 02:24 AM

Originally Posted by Ivan452

I wanna know, do you Love yourself? Do you Love other people?
When I say Love, I'm referring to the higher meaning of that word that every religion or life philosophy talks about.
And when I say people, I mean people in general, everyone in the World. Not just friends or family.

Because today I talked to some friends.
- Friend no.1 is 23yo. Was in a hospital for a month. Barely made it out alive. He was a physical worker, started out young because his family had to flee their home town because of war. The moment he got sick he got fired. And how he is unable to perform hard physical work.
- Friend no.2 - her brother has bone cancer. Had his leg amputated. He is 18 year old. They live in the area that was bombarded with uranium, which is radioactive.
- Friend no.3 - had a baby 3 months ago. Diagnosed with cancer yesterday (friend, not baby).
- Friend no.4 - brother died at the age of 18 from the same cancer that friend no.3 has.
- Friend no.5 has a daughter 3 years old who is diagnosed with a tumor.

Now, no one in the entire world can tell me that war didn't had influence in that.
Besides that, stress + quality of food, water and air.

And I'm furious that people are not doing something to help others.
I'm furious at myself first.
That was happening in my country, and now its happening in Middle East.

Set aside my friends. While we are doing our lucid dreaming, reading books, listening to music. There are people in suffering every day.

I'm not trying to put a feeling of guild upon anyone.
I just wanna know, how to get through a day knowing that is happening in the world?
How to Love yourself, when you are turning your head away from this stuff?
How can I feel anything but hate?

That's so many people who are sick in your social circle. It really sounds environmental! Please make sure you eat and drink organic, eat as many fresh fruits as possible.

I know that being happy and celebrating the small joys in life can feel in complete contradiction to the state of the suffering in the world. But experiencing happiness isn't an evil in the face of the suffering, it's its antithesis. We know now that being happy is both physically healthy for you, and by living happy you can ward off diseases.

Biologically, the state of happiness is contagious, much like laughter. When a person is happy they influence everyone in the room to be happy like them. Happy is probably the wrong word though, it doesn't require the person to be loud and annoying and piss everyone off by saying things like "im better than you". Thats not at all what I mean! What I'm talking about is an emotional state being studied right now, called heart coherence.

Heart coherence entrains other people to also enter heart coherence. We call this experience feeling good vibes.

On the contrary, feeling upset, depressed, angry - lowers the immune system and also makes you dumber.

While its important to not turn a blind eye on suffering, it does no one any good for you yourself to be in a state of suffering - including feeling guilty for having fun. Try to find the balance!

As for love, for me its something that can't be confined or defined by any type of relationship.

**Wayfaerer** · 10-08-2011 02:50 AM

I do love humanity, I identify my very being with earth and all it's inhabitants. I get through the day despite all the troubles by making my "personal" goals ones that will be sources of usefulness and inspiration for everyone else. I try to work toward the change I want to see happen in humanity, not only for myself, but that is an inescapable component that is necessary for action. I like to say "be the best cell in the organism of humanity you can be". I guess the problem is some peoples goals really are only for themselves, like the pursuit of being as rich as possible for the sake of being rich for example.

**Dthoughts** · 10-09-2011 10:51 AM

What a rough situation. I can't help but be sad reading this. A lot of people are oblivious to the situation because they don't see the reality around them. You certainly do and i feel sorry for you.
How to get trough the day ? With hope. Hope that things are going to change. And have faith that all the suffering is not in vain. Well, it is in vain. We don't need people to suffer in order for the planet to keep turning. But perhaps it is for a higher cause. Just maybe someone has to take the bullet for us as a species to realize we are doing it very wrong.

Personally, i do love the world. I do not love everyone equally and i even hate some people. But no amount of hate is going to change anything. I love myself because i try to relieve suffering from others. I may not always succeed but i'm doing what i can. Even tho i am guilty for turning my cheek to a lot of things..

Even in war. The soldiers going at it believe they are doing it for a good cause. They may be wrong, but it is not entirely their fould. They have been effectively brainwashed into believing what they do is neccesary. They don't know that oil companies are artificially fueling the war in order to make a profit. Not all soldiers are good guys but most come there for doing humanitarian work. They go from killing people to aiding the poor and weak. It's a hellish job. It might be futile but i respect them for doing what they think is right.

Not everyone can make a change. You can't feel guilty for turning ur head if you can not do anything to change the situation. Sometimes all you can do is try to comfort people. Or give love where it is needed. Sometimes you are a victim and you don't even know it. You don't look at innocent war victims and say they are guilty for not making a change. It's in the hand of the people with power to make that change. That is unless we overthrow them and realize every individual is in charge of this planet.

Originally Posted by Laughing Man

So you are saying that your mind powers are actually causing suffering? What you think causes misery in others?

Well, it is a fact that our thoughts and our intentions are moving us as an organism. No action happens without a thought prior to intention. So it is our mind that is causing suffering.
There is such a thing as dream work and it works on the same principle. In my opinion Ho'oponopono is just a lesser form of dreamwork. And it works. That is, if you think shared dreaming and inception are a real thing.

**tkdyo** · 10-12-2011 01:20 AM

I guess I will have a go at answering your question in a very straight forward manner. If you spend all your time feeling hate because of suffering in the world, you will never be happy. There is always pain and always suffering. If not caused by humans, then caused by mother nature. In fact, one could argue that part of the definition of life is suffering. Just because someone else is suffering, doesnt automatically mean you have to also. What good does it do those who suffer for you to be self hating? It doesnt do anything but cause more negative emotions. Help those you can, and hope there are others who help those you cannot.

Now, having said that, I dont mean its OK to cause suffering for others. All I am saying is you cant be a super hero and save everyone by yourself, so why hate yourself for that? No human can stop all the suffering in the world, it has to be a group effort.