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    Thread: A List of Dream Delusions That Some Homo Sapiens Actually Believe To Be True

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      Exclamation A List of Dream Delusions That Some Homo Sapiens Actually Believe To Be True

      1. Dreams happen in alternate dimensions.
      2. You can materialize dream objects into this reality.
      3. Dreams can predict the future.
      4. Dream sharing is possible.
      5. Entirely new information you have never known before can be learned in dreams.
      6 Dreams are gifts from gods or a God.
      7. Spirits communicate to all of us through our dreams.
      8. You can wake up from a dream with super powers.
      9. Dreams have the power to affect reality.
      10. We enter the real reality when we dream.
      11. We experience a permanent dream after we die.

      Man! It is so crazy that people actually believe this ancient horsesh*t! Feel free to post other dream delusions I may have missed.
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      It would be even more crazy would be if 100% of Homo Sapiens had the same beliefs.

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      Greetings, fellow newbie. I try to be very careful about what I shove into the Woo bin. Skepticism without curiosity is just another way of confirming one's own prejudices, and some people actually have very interesting reasons for believing what they do. Why not approach them with curiosity?

      --A skeptic who has occasionally been proven wrong

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      Quote Originally Posted by Skeptical View Post
      1. Dreams happen in alternate dimensions.
      2. You can materialize dream objects into this reality.
      3. Dreams can predict the future.
      4. Dream sharing is possible.
      5. Entirely new information you have never known before can be learned in dreams.
      6 Dreams are gifts from gods or a God.
      7. Spirits communicate to all of us through our dreams.
      8. You can wake up from a dream with super powers.
      9. Dreams have the power to affect reality.
      10. We enter the real reality when we dream.
      11. We experience a permanent dream after we die.

      Man! It is so crazy that people actually believe this ancient horsesh*t! Feel free to post other dream delusions I may have missed.
      Ironically, you are expressing your own delusion that you know the absolute truth regarding these 11 points. You have much to learn my friend.

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      11. We experience a permanent dream after we die.

      How do you know that this is wrong for sure?
      Wait does that mean the dead have internet access...
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      Quote Originally Posted by Kaitakaro View Post
      11. We experience a permanent dream after we die.

      How do you know that this is wrong for sure?
      Wait does that mean the dead have internet access...
      This is absolutely true because dreams are caused by neuronal firings inside a living brain. When we die, all brain function ceases, thus we cannot dream and never ever dream again.

      Quote Originally Posted by VinceField View Post
      Ironically, you are expressing your own delusion that you know the absolute truth regarding these 11 points. You have much to learn my friend.
      Provide me with concrete evidence of materializing a dream object into reality, or any of the other 10 points I made. Hook up a dead person to an EEG machine and see if they are dreaming. Until then...THESE ARE ALL DELUSIONS THAT ONLY PEOPLE NOT IN TOUCH WITH REALITY BELIEVE!
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      12. You believe you know the absolute truth.

      Skeptical is a good username for what I am about to say. I don't believe these to be true or false. Given the rules of waking reality, it is most likely that these are false. But the truth is, we understand so little about the nature of our reality and the way it works. You can tell me that the universe is made of atoms and molecules and that the human body is nothing more than a complex array of chemical reactions creating DNA that makes up cells that makes up the brain. But you can't explain why I am a 'thing' or a 'soul' stuck inside of one of these human bodies controlling it and experiencing my reality through it.

      THESE ARE ALL DELUSIONS THAT ONLY PEOPLE NOT IN TOUCH WITH REALITY BELIEVE!
      Well then you are in the wrong place to talk about this. Lucid dreaming is all about awareness of your reality and identifying the difference between the waking reality and the dream reality, and recognizing what reality you are in. If anyone is out of touch with reality it is someone who doesn't become lucid or can't tell their dreams from reality.

      In the end, I don't really care if these are delusions to me or not. Knowing what I do about the way the world works either accepting or rejecting these facts is just as delusional. It would be just as crazy for me to completely rule out the fact that all of these could be true as it would to say that all of these would be false. In other words, thank you, VinceFeild. I couldn't have said it better myself.

      Ironically, you are expressing your own delusion that you know the absolute truth regarding these 11 points. You have much to learn my friend.
      Anyways, at this point, I get the feeling that your just a troll looking to get some people mad at you by coming in here and asserting that we are all delusional. So I'm not going to spend any more time explaining myself. I know full well that if you cause any real problems, the mods will make quick work of you.

      Good day.
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      Quote Originally Posted by Skeptical View Post
      5. Entirely new information you have never known before can be learned in dreams.

      9. Dreams have the power to affect reality.
      5. Certainly in Lucid Dreams it is possible to invent new ideas, it is a conscious state of mind in which one is not inhibited by all of their learned limitations. New ideas can certainly be achieved. Otherwise new Ideas couldn't be achieved in waking life.

      9. Clearly dreams can affect reality, if you went to sleep for the next dozen nights and had terrifying nightmares, it would affect your ability to get to sleep that's a real effect. Likewise some people use lucid dreams to face their fears and then lose them in reality.


      as for number 4. I agree that shared dreams aren't possible at the moment, but soon enough it will be possible with advancing technology, can wishful thinking take the place of brain scanners and computers as conduits and such, NO!
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      Quote Originally Posted by Skeptical View Post
      Provide me with concrete evidence of materializing a dream object into reality, or any of the other 10 points I made. Hook up a dead person to an EEG machine and see if they are dreaming. Until then...THESE ARE ALL DELUSIONS THAT ONLY PEOPLE NOT IN TOUCH WITH REALITY BELIEVE!
      Before humans discovered that the world was round, they believed it was flat. They had no concrete evidence that the world was a sphere, and yet this made the reality of the matter no less valid. Those who believed the world was flat based this belief on superficial perceptions, and would have likely labeled anyone claiming the world to be round as delusional.

      Can you make the connection here?

      Lack of evidence implies possibility. If you can find evidence that supports the impossibility of those 11 points, then the validity of your statement regarding them being a delusion becomes more likely. But again, we are still dealing in probabilities, not absolutes. A course in philosophy and critical reasoning would do you good.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Skeptical View Post
      Provide me with concrete evidence of materializing a dream object into reality, or any of the other 10 points I made. Hook up a dead person to an EEG machine and see if they are dreaming. Until then...THESE ARE ALL DELUSIONS THAT ONLY PEOPLE NOT IN TOUCH WITH REALITY BELIEVE!
      Provide me with concrete evidence of materializing a dream object into reality.

      Easy: Electrical Signals from neuron to neuron LOLOLOLOLOLOLLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL
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      Quote Originally Posted by Skeptical View Post
      1. Dreams happen in alternate dimensions.
      2. You can materialize dream objects into this reality.
      3. Dreams can predict the future.
      4. Dream sharing is possible.
      5. Entirely new information you have never known before can be learned in dreams.
      6 Dreams are gifts from gods or a God.
      7. Spirits communicate to all of us through our dreams.
      8. You can wake up from a dream with super powers.
      9. Dreams have the power to affect reality.
      10. We enter the real reality when we dream.
      11. We experience a permanent dream after we die.

      Man! It is so crazy that people actually believe this ancient horsesh*t! Feel free to post other dream delusions I may have missed.
      I just kinda feel like replying, though people have already addressed most of what I want to say

      3) They can, just I like I can predict that when I'll look out the window in a few seconds, I'll see someone walking in the streets. Nothing crazy or psychic about that. Just an educated guess

      5) Dunno if you'd qualify this as entirely new but you can definitely deduce new stuff in a dream, from info which you already have.

      9) Simply remembering a dream makes it affect reality . Also you can build muscle memory from a dream, stuff like that.

      That's all just wanted to get this written down. It's good to be skeptical, not close minded.
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      Quote Originally Posted by cooleymd View Post
      5. Certainly in Lucid Dreams it is possible to invent new ideas, it is a conscious state of mind in which one is not inhibited by all of their learned limitations. New ideas can certainly be achieved. Otherwise new Ideas couldn't be achieved in waking life.

      9. Clearly dreams can affect reality, if you went to sleep for the next dozen nights and had terrifying nightmares, it would affect your ability to get to sleep that's a real effect. Likewise some people use lucid dreams to face their fears and then lose them in reality.


      as for number 4. I agree that shared dreams aren't possible at the moment, but soon enough it will be possible with advancing technology, can wishful thinking take the place of brain scanners and computers as conduits and such, NO!
      Quote Originally Posted by Gaea View Post
      Provide me with concrete evidence of materializing a dream object into reality.

      Easy: Electrical Signals from neuron to neuron LOLOLOLOLOLOLLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL
      Quote Originally Posted by Higat View Post
      I just kinda feel like replying, though people have already addressed most of what I want to say

      3) They can, just I like I can predict that when I'll look out the window in a few seconds, I'll see someone walking in the streets. Nothing crazy or psychic about that. Just an educated guess

      5) Dunno if you'd qualify this as entirely new but you can definitely deduce new stuff in a dream, from info which you already have.

      9) Simply remembering a dream makes it affect reality . Also you can build muscle memory from a dream, stuff like that.

      That's all just wanted to get this written down. It's good to be skeptical, not close minded.


      Stop using silly counterarguments guys. You're taking a few points of what he said on that list and countering it as if he meant them literally literally.
      Ex: dreams can't change reality: I'm pretty sure he mean more of a 'magical voodoo changing' or whatever, like dream of money to make a bucket of gold drop through the roof to your room.


      Also he has some good points. Sure we can't disprove some of these to a 100% degree, and that's true for goblins and unicorns too. It's when you BELIEVE in them without evidence is when it's crazy. So it's more of highly improbable than 100% impossible, just like unicorns. Saying "well it's possible, you never know" isn't scientific, it's just stating the obvious that can be stated to anything., ANY crazy idea.

      EDIT: Non of those beliefs are scientifically proven yet (for example, 9/11 precognitive dreams for example isn't a proof since already millions of ppl have flight crash nightmares daily, and also you never count when these 'precog dreams' miss do ya?). You might say "they might be proven in the future, happens a lot". Sure it does, but for only 1 out of 1000 of popular crazy-ish beliefs. Most of them never hold water. See why I'm wiery about this?
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      Quote Originally Posted by LouaiB View Post
      Stop using silly counterarguments guys. You're taking a few points of what he said on that list and countering it as if he meant them literally literally.
      Ex: dreams can't change reality: I'm pretty sure he mean more of a 'magical voodoo changing' or whatever, like dream of money to make a bucket of gold drop through the roof to your room.
      I think all of us who replied like that knew that he meant more than what he wrote. It's just really annoying to see posts like that which bash on "beliefs" for no reason at all. I mean I don't even think anything that he listed is real, yet I still felt the need to reply
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      Quote Originally Posted by Higat View Post
      I think all of us who replied like that knew that he meant more than what he wrote. It's just really annoying to see posts like that which bash on "beliefs" for no reason at all. I mean I don't even think anything that he listed is real, yet I still felt the need to reply
      It's for the sake of spreading awareness. Imagine there be no criticism to these beliefs, regardless if they're true or not. It'll be hard then to see both sides.
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      Skeptical's mentality is just as limited and potentially dangerous as the delusional thinking of those who hold unproven beliefs as truth. It's the opposite side of the same coin- a coin called delusion.
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      Assuming something isn't true due to lack of evidence to prove it's truth is a common fallacy that can result in close mindedness and misunderstandings.

      Sometimes all we can do is make an educated guess whether something is likely or not, based on how it fits with all the information we do know, but it seems very dangerous to make strong 'truth' or 'not true' statements.

      In my humble opinion
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      Quote Originally Posted by midnightfire View Post
      Sometimes all we can do is make an educated guess whether something is likely or not, based on how it fits with all the information we do know, but it seems very dangerous to make strong 'truth' or 'not true' statements.
      That's what I said... :/
      We're on the same page here
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      Another dream delusion, although i don't believe all you listed is fake, is that if you feel like your falling and fall all the way down you die.I think that counts for when your drifting asleep and maybe in the dream.
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      I am not closed minded! I will happily accept any preposterous-sounding idea just as long as it has mountains of hard scientific evidence behind it. The scientific facts such as evolution and the Big Bang both sound insane, but they both have mountains of evidence to back them up, so I accept them.

      Corrected: 9. Dreams have the power to affect reality in magickal ways.

      Of course dreams can have psychological effects on the dreamer, but they cannot make a bucket of gold fall through your roof or be used to change your hair colour.
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      Skeptical. Being closed minded isn't about accepting that which has evidence to back it up. It is about accepting all possibilities. You have not done this, as you deny the possibility of that which lacks evidence. This is closed minded. Lack of evidence does not prove that something does not exist. This is simple logic.
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      Here's something to consider:

      Dreams by their nature are delusional, and we LD'ers draw much of our lives' experience from our dreams.

      When we dream non-lucidly, we literally and consequently believe that whatever is presented by our dreaming minds is real, no matter how ludicrous it may seem. So, if the foundation of dreaming life is based in delusion, doesn't it sort of follow that, as we more deeply explore our dreaming experience and its accompanying phenomena through lucidity, we might tend to allow our imaginations to establish some possibities that, though they line up nicely with our dreaming lives, would generally be considered delusional by a rational, non-lucid homo sapien observer?

      As I read through the list of postulates/denials in the OP I said, "Sure," to pretty much all of them. But at the same time a more basal part of me -- the dreamer in me, if you will -- couldn't help but ask "Why not?" to each of them. Yes, the logic of a sensible homo sapiens might consider all those things valid, but I have to wonder if the imaginative, curious, and often transcendental "homo lucidious" might find an intellectual excuse, either from personal experience or dream-driven consciousness, to allow all those things to be, well, possible. There would be no need to believe in them, but plenty of reason to accept their potentials, based on the hints or "proofs" offered by their dreaming world.

      When we spend a great amount of time in the thoroughly delusional world of dreams, it becomes much easier to hold as possible things that are viewed as totally absurd by the vast majority of the homo sapiens population that chooses not to lend any importance to their dreaming lives. To we dreamers, sometimes the delusional makes more sense than the rational science that defines our waking lives... we could be wrong, but at least our delusion is based on the "evidence" of our dreaming experience, which allows us to imagine a life that transcends this mundane existence without abandoning the "truth" as presented by our own dreaming minds.

      tl;dr: Dreams by their very nature are delusional, so you would think that any dreamer on this site -- dreamers who have chosen to explore the potentialities of that delusion -- would have no problem accepting the items in the O.P. as possible, even without directly "believing" in them. To dismiss all those things as impossible because waking-life science hasn't yet proven them might make sense to a person who hasn't experienced a taste of them in their dreams, but not to a dreamer. For us, the door is cracked open just a bit more, right or wrong.
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      Quote Originally Posted by Sageous View Post
      Here's something to consider:

      Dreams by their nature are delusional, and we LD'ers draw much of our lives' experience from our dreams.

      When we dream non-lucidly, we literally and consequently believe that whatever is presented by our dreaming minds is real, no matter how ludicrous it may seem. So, if the foundation of dreaming life is based in delusion, doesn't it sort of follow that, as we more deeply explore our dreaming experience and its accompanying phenomena through lucidity, we might tend to allow our imaginations to establish some possibities that, though they line up nicely with our dreaming lives, would generally be considered delusional by a rational, non-lucid homo sapien observer?

      As I read through the list of postulates/denials in the OP I said, "Sure," to pretty much all of them. But at the same time a more basal part of me -- the dreamer in me, if you will -- couldn't help but ask "Why not?" to each of them. Yes, the logic of a sensible homo sapiens might consider all those things valid, but I have to wonder if the imaginative, curious, and often transcendental "homo lucidious" might find an intellectual excuse, either from personal experience or dream-driven consciousness, to allow all those things to be, well, possible. There would be no need to believe in them, but plenty of reason to accept their potentials, based on the hints or "proofs" offered by their dreaming world.

      When we spend a great amount of time in the thoroughly delusional world of dreams, it becomes much easier to hold as possible things that are viewed as totally absurd by the vast majority of the homo sapiens population that chooses not to lend any importance to their dreaming lives. To we dreamers, sometimes the delusional makes more sense than the rational science that defines our waking lives... we could be wrong, but at least our delusion is based on the "evidence" of our dreaming experience, which allows us to imagine a life that transcends this mundane existence without abandoning the "truth" as presented by our own dreaming minds.

      tl;dr: Dreams by their very nature are delusional, so you would think that any dreamer on this site -- dreamers who have chosen to explore the potentialities of that delusion -- would have no problem accepting the items in the O.P. as possible, even without directly "believing" in them. To dismiss all those things as impossible because waking-life science hasn't yet proven them might make sense to a person who hasn't experienced a taste of them in their dreams, but not to a dreamer. For us, the door is cracked open just a bit more, right or wrong.
      Very interesting points although I’m not sure if I agree that dreams by their very nature are delusional at least no more delusional than ‘waking life’ is.
      For is anything real if it is not permanent? In the end ‘real life’ events fall back into memory just like dreams do… and then they become part of our dreams.
      Things do become complicated because it depends exactly how you define certain words.

      It is interesting to consider how spending a lot of time in the dream world could lead us to accepting certain things that we wouldn’t other-wise, we could get lost in these things if we do not constantly reflect, ask questions, talk to other people, try to stay grounded.

      I remember watching a documentary on lucid dreaming recently where they talked about a girl who had a series of false awakenings a number of times in one night. Years later she said, ‘to that day, I still do not fully know whether I am dreaming or awake.”
      I think that’s pretty scary thought, but then, maybe I just have too little wisdom to understand.

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      The delusional aspect of dreams is believing them to be taking place in physical reality. But dream experiences are valid in their own right, despite our incapability of fully comprehending their nature and purpose. And of course, the delusion drops away when one becomes lucid and realizes that one is in fact in a dream reality. One may still be in an illusion of sorts, but in knowing this, the delusion is gone.

      Midnightfire, I like your thought about dreams being no more delusional than waking life. It could be that when we die, it is revealed that our previous physical existence was nothing but a dream of our greater self, no more or less real than our normal dreams, and we wake up to who we really are as spiritual beings existing in a greater nonphysical reality. Physical life could simply be an extended, pervading, very convincing dream in which physical death is the only means of awakening.
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      Quote Originally Posted by Skeptical View Post
      3. Dreams can predict the future.
      One early morning I had a dream I was pulled over by a cop. That same morning I was driving to work and I see a cop behind me. I freak out remembering my dream. You know what happened next? I was pulled over.

      People dream of the future all the time. Its not a delusion. But its not so fantastical either. A lot of these dreams are over mundane things.

      Dream sharing is possible.
      Ive had two dreams concerning my friends breaking up with their boyfriend at the time it was happening. I did not know at the time of the dream that the break up was actually occurring in real life. It was only afterwards did I find out that my dreams were happening at the same time of their emotional break up.

      My dreams were also 3rd perspective. I could only watch the events in my dream but I wasn't a part of it. I just floated around like a ghost. Reflecting back on it, it very much felt like my dream was actually taking place in my friends head. As in, it was her dream not mine.

      Hey, I'm not the only one who has had these kinds of experiences. So deal with that.

      5. Entirely new information you have never known before can be learned in dreams.
      Wait till you hear an awesome song in a dream of which youve never heard before, its awesome!


      7. Spirits communicate to all of us through our dreams.
      The other day in a lucid dream I asked my subconscious a personal question and was mindblown with the answer I was given. Important communication in a dream can be given to you if you allow it.

      Sure, I asked my subconscious but I was asking my subconscious with the belief that its actually the Higher Self and therefore has more knowledge than I do. Its a complicated subject. The problem only arises when you assume that Spirits have to be separate from who you are.


      9. Dreams have the power to affect reality.
      I wake up from an awesome dream feeling awesome. Therefore, waking reality was affected.

      10. We enter the real reality when we dream.
      When you have a dream where you experience having weight (gravity), feeling gravel underneath your toes, feeling and smelling the wind, hearing actual voices from your dream characters and having lucid conversations with them, you would call it reality too.

      You just would call it dream reality........

      11. We experience a permanent dream after we die.
      Why not!? :0

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