Thread: Heard this on another site.

Originally Posted by mcwillis

I'm going to put my foot down and tell you not to be childish. The above can be done and is very dangerous. Young people visit this forum and we should have a responsible attitude.

Note the ": cheeky :" emote next to my message. If I was serious I would have put a different emote.

Originally Posted by Snowboy

That would be interesting! Anybody willing to try it?

Sure, I'll do it.

Originally Posted by mcwillis

Oh really. Translocate yourself to the essence of one of the major world religions and attempt to manipulate it and you will found out how dangerous lucid dreaming can be. At best you will be instantly converted to the religion, at worst it will send you permanently insane.

Can you elaborate on "the essence of one of the major world religions" please? as far as i know, assuming one were to belong to any one of those religions (or none), they would assume the other religions are wrong and their "essence" would be just another ideology ... equivalent to saying translocate yourself to the essence of democracy, or polygamy... which might be interesting as far as dreams go but I cant see going insane or being converted...

Originally Posted by TheShadow

Can you elaborate on "the essence of one of the major world religions" please? as far as i know, assuming one were to belong to any one of those religions (or none), they would assume the other religions are wrong and their "essence" would be just another ideology ... equivalent to saying translocate yourself to the essence of democracy, or polygamy... which might be interesting as far as dreams go but I cant see going insane or being converted...

Im not going to elaborate on your question and I will never give the specific method for translocating to the essence of a major world religion on a forum as there are too many immature people that would foolishly think that they would be in control of the situation. I only brought it up to illustrate that lucid dreaming can be dangerous if one knows a great deal about the subject and the possible uses of lucid dreaming.

mcwillis...please explain specifically how lucid dreaming can be dangerous and provide specific examples, otherwise, stop spreading rumors that lucid dreaming is dangerous without backing up your claim.

Originally Posted by greenhavoc

Every time you bring a little bit of that magic over into your waking life some of it stays.I'm probably wrong tho........ actually, I'm completely on point.

which is essentially the whole point and the biggest benefit of lucid dreaming. reuniting the conscious and subconscious awareness is the only way to prevent you being a slave to your subconscious fears. also its pretty much as close to the meaning of life as ive come across.

as someone who has experienced the unhealthy side of this while on medication, practising awareness is the only way to make sure that if something like this happens to you again, you are able to recognise it for the dreamstate/hallucination it realy is.

i understand the guys fears, but by not practising it, you are only making yourself far less able to understand and deal with any problems of the mind which may arise


there will always be some who take it too far and end up damiging themselves, which is why the slow steady method of awareness is far superior to the crowbar method of taking copius amounts of psychdelics

Originally Posted by Raspberry

I think he just watched Inception and got the wrong idea or something. I love the movie, but I think it makes people think of LDing in a bit of a wrong way. I'm just glad I discovered lucid dreaming before the movie came out.

can you explain this please? i havent seen it due to thinking that it would probably misrepresent it in some way. its not like hollywood wants us all to be free after all is it

Originally Posted by whiterain

can you explain this please? i havent seen it due to thinking that it would probably misrepresent it in some way. its not like hollywood wants us all to be free after all is it

Watch the movie.

Originally Posted by Oneironaut

Watch the movie.

id rather not cheers. my subconscious is still in a very suggestible state. i dont need anything else coming to attack me in dreams

Originally Posted by whiterain

id rather not cheers. my subconscious is still in a very suggestible state. i dont need anything else coming to attack me in dreams

It's a great movie.

It really is a good movie. It was inaccurate enough, from what I know (very little) about controlling dreams and such, that I don't think it would be very impressionable on anyone who DOES know about lucid dreaming. If you know absolutely nothing though, and then someone tried to tell you about lucid dreaming, you'd probably never want to even go there.

it is JUST A MOVIE so do not take it seriously but it is very good!

Simply enough, the guy is ignorant about WILDing. He's wrong because it's definitely something you can control. Although we as humans go into SP sometimes without our wanting to it's not something that happens on a regular basis, especially without the drive for it to occur. And as for mixing up dreams with reality?

Give me a break.

Originally Posted by Aquanina

mcwillis...please explain specifically how lucid dreaming can be dangerous and provide specific examples, otherwise, stop spreading rumors that lucid dreaming is dangerous without backing up your claim.

It is not rumour. Now there are many different opinions on the dangers, one only has to read The Art of Dreaming by Carlos Casteneda. I then came across a book written by an occultist, an adept, and veteran lucid dreamer. I have used some of the techniques from this book in lucid dreams and I have proven that the dream state is not merely a conjuration of biochemical processes within the brain...It is far more than that and there are dangers. I have given a specific example above.

Originally Posted by mcwillis

It is not rumour. Now there are many different opinions on the dangers, one only has to read The Art of Dreaming by Carlos Casteneda. I then came across a book written by an occultist, an adept, and veteran lucid dreamer. I have used some of the techniques from this book in lucid dreams and I have proven that the dream state is not merely a conjuration of biochemical processes within the brain...It is far more than that and there are dangers. I have given a specific example above.

I do believe there might be some truth to this. I've read similar things in conscious dreaming by Robert Moss. Then again, it all depends on what you choose to do with lucid dreaming.

as someone who has experienced the unhealthy side of this while on medication, practising awareness is the only way to make sure that if something like this happens to you again, you are able to recognise it for the dreamstate/hallucination it realy is

Someone who has abandoned the trivial pursuit of an hallucination might disagree, whiterain. If you know what you're experiencing is not real, yet can not figure out how your mind could still create [something] that elaborate, then you might be tempted to explore that particular aspect of it.

If you let go of it all to pursue this delusion then you will suffer, it's that simple. Some people just know how to bring it into their waking life, though they usually end up in a state hospital.

Originally Posted by greenhavoc

Someone who has abandoned the trivial pursuit of an hallucination might disagree, whiterain. If you know what you're experiencing is not real, yet can not figure out how your mind could still create [something] that elaborate, then you might be tempted to explore that particular aspect of it.

If you let go of it all to pursue this delusion then you will suffer, it's that simple. Some people just know how to bring it into their waking life, though they usually end up in a state hospital.

agreed although as i see it, these are not problems with lucid dreaming, but lucid living which is a whole step further that most people will probably never reach yet

Originally Posted by mcwillis

I have used some of the techniques from this book in lucid dreams and I have proven that the dream state is not merely a conjuration of biochemical processes within the brain...It is far more than that and there are dangers.

I'm curious how you proved this?

Originally Posted by Aquanina

I'm curious how you proved this?

Same here.

"
lu·cid
   /ˈlusɪd/ Show Spelled[loo-sid] Show IPA
–adjective
1.
easily understood; completely intelligible or comprehensible: a lucid explanation.
2.
characterized by clear perception or understanding; rational or sane: a lucid moment in his madness.
3.
shining or bright.
4.
clear; pellucid; transparent."

"Lucid living"?

Originally Posted by mcwillis

I have used some of the techniques from this book in lucid dreams and I have proven that the dream state is not merely a conjuration of biochemical processes within the brain...It is far more than that and there are dangers. I have given a specific example above.

And now I'll be reading this book only to verify this claim, since I'm such a helpless skeptic.
I'd better sharpen my Lucid Dreaming skills first though...

I wiki'd the book and am not impressed, something to do with "the gates of dreaming" having a physical location in the body (first one is the foot, second is the calf...?), seems very much like nonsense to me, also he says something about an "energy body"? Ill assume this is pretty much a soul or something alike, and there is no proof for the existence of the soul (Someone correct me with evidence if they can)... mcwillis, having read the book maybe you can explain in more detail about these things, and show that they have any validity in reality (don't just list me another book to read, you're making the claims, you have to provide the evidence.)

mcwillis, if lucid dreaming were dangerous, we would all be dead, because we have multiple dreams in one night.

Trust me. It's 100% safe.

No no, you got it wrong, he/she said that LDing is dangerous if you start playing with stuff that people shouldn't work with, whatever that is. I will try it of course, reading that book now lol