Interesting. I didn't know about any of this. And Mcwillis you are completely right. Who did invent the timer method? Oh ya.. first time I heard of it was from L101 and haven't saw it anywhere else. Could be wrong, but im pretty sure its his baby, and it gave me my very first ld.

As far as L103, haven't tried it. yet.
Now I love how someone like WLLPEREGOY comes right into the middle of the thread and defends someone without knowing the whole situation.
I actually like Aquanina as she has always been nice towards me as well, but we do have disagreeable views on this particular topic. I do not hold that against her though and I do think she is a great mod here in DV as long as she does't take personal views as far as to delete threads. As far as what you had mentioned MCW I think she undersands now this is something we want to discuss and have discussed. This isn't about Nick Newport and likes or dislikes for him or lucidology, its for discussion of the methods.