Thread: Apotheosis: becoming a god

Well, I guess it depends on your definition of a god. If by god you mean a supernatural something that controls all, then it would be impossible ofcourse. But there are sooo many definitions of 'god', that I would love to get 1 dollar for each one. I personally don't believe in the existance of anything/anyone like that, so I suppose I would say it's impossible.

I think he means simply having absolute control, super powers, be able to create worlds and fly through space.

I'm not sure how omniscience and omnipresence would work ever, but as far as power goes, I can't imagine who wouldn't want that in their dreams.

I also don't believe in anything supernatural, but in dreams physics need not apply.

Now, who wants to morph into the Death Star and blow up Alderaan? That could be fun.

Originally Posted by Spyguy

Well, I guess it depends on your definition of a god. If by god you mean a supernatural something that controls all, then it would be impossible ofcourse. But there are sooo many definitions of 'god', that I would love to get 1 dollar for each one. I personally don't believe in the existance of anything/anyone like that, so I suppose I would say it's impossible.

What's your definition of a god?

This depends for me, if I were an all powerful being I could do some cool things in the dream, such as creating my own universe and exploring it on a cosmic level, but also nothing would be a challenge so it would depend. If it were something more like a polytheistic god (norse, greek/roman, tribal gods) then I think it would be more interesting, I would be powerful but have limitations, maybe in absolute control of certian things but not others, or have god strength and speed, something like that.

I would. I already know what it's like to not be a god in waking life, so I might as well learn the opposite through dreams.

I wouldn't.

I always like to have some type of foil in my dreams, even if I am powerful or have supernatural powers; my personal definition of a god is all-powerful so that wouldn't work.

My thoughts on gods:

I think they are massive, universal ideas that generate energy(at least in the spiritual sense). By wearing their form in dreams we can tap into these energies. We might not TOTALLY become them (if its even possible), but we get scraps of the energy in our dream bodies, enough to manifest powers and feelings associated with the deity. The same goes with every archetype and animal or theriantrope form.

I tried to morph into ganesh once but didnt quite get the form right...Sometimes I accidentally morph into half-animal states. Not much control yet I'm afraid...

In waking life this is actually a buddhist meditation(tibetan i think?). Youre supposed to imagine your body as the body of a deity to program your subconcious to ACT like a deity in the future.

I voted no (other). Not because of any particular spiritual belief, nor on psychological grounds. Total omniscience and omnipotence would distance me as a participant in my own dreaming. Catching an occasional glimpse of Godly power while dreaming is awesome, but I'd rather see my role in a dream as some Greek hero or demi-God.

I don't think there are more definitions of a god.
but yeah, I'm not sure know how you'd become "something" hard even imagining ...
else: I'd love to

This has been done before.

1.) Enslave a people.
2.) Trick them into believing you are a god.
3.) Acquire all their gold.
4.) Have them embalm and bury you along with the gold.
5.) Fail to live forever in the afterlife because you can't follow the rest of the steps in The Book Of The Dead since you are... dead?

Originally Posted by IAmCoder

This has been done before.

1.) Enslave a people.
2.) Trick them into believing you are a god.
3.) Acquire all their gold.
4.) Have them embalm and bury you along with the gold.
5.) Fail to live forever in the afterlife because you can't follow the rest of the steps in The Book Of The Dead since you are... dead?

This is hilarious!

Originally Posted by WakingNomad

This is hilarious!

Right until the priest that lead you to believe in immortality plunders your tomb and takes all the gold.

Originally Posted by IAmCoder

Right until the priest that lead you to believe in immortality plunders your tomb and takes all the gold.

that would annoy me, especially if I reincarnated into the president of the United States, and went into the impairment and Michael is in their

Originally Posted by WakingNomad

What's your definition of a god?

Lol, I only just noticed that this is about LD Ofcourse it would be obvious seeing what forum we're on, but I failed to understand it. I think my definition would be an all-powerful being that controls all. I don't believe in the excistence of something like that, but being all-powerful can certainly be acquired in dreams. Ofcourse, it is acquired the second you get good dream control

Like Puffin mentioned, it's no fun being all-powerful. What's the point in being able to do everything? As good as having every super power is, it's unlikely you'd use them all at once. To me, it's a lot more fun using what powers feels 'right' in the dream, whether it be because it'd look awesome or it's the first thing that comes to mind. I mean, if you were to fight some badass looking things and then just using the Dragon Ball Z 'kamehameha,' destroying it in one blast, what fun is that?

Originally Posted by fOrceez

Like Puffin mentioned, it's no fun being all-powerful. What's the point in being able to do everything? As good as having every super power is, it's unlikely you'd use them all at once. To me, it's a lot more fun using what powers feels 'right' in the dream, whether it be because it'd look awesome or it's the first thing that comes to mind. I mean, if you were to fight some badass looking things and then just using the Dragon Ball Z 'kamehameha,' destroying it in one blast, what fun is that?

There is a difference between being able to do something and actually doing something. When fighting someone, you're capable of destroying him in one blast, but it's not fun, so you don't do it and spar for a while. However, you ARE capable of doing it, so you ARE all-powerful

Omniscience, Omnipotence and Omnipresence? I would like to have these abilities.

Originally Posted by fOrceez

Like Puffin mentioned, it's no fun being all-powerful. What's the point in being able to do everything? As good as having every super power is, it's unlikely you'd use them all at once. To me, it's a lot more fun using what powers feels 'right' in the dream, whether it be because it'd look awesome or it's the first thing that comes to mind. I mean, if you were to fight some badass looking things and then just using the Dragon Ball Z 'kamehameha,' destroying it in one blast, what fun is that?

Because as a god, you wouldn't have just the infinite power to "destroy" and "command" and bend people to your will...you would also have (apparently since I don't actually see the concept of God as that all mighty entity) infinite power to create.

Remember that while some people can do that perfectly, most lucid dreamers not often experience such an amount of control that allows them to experience this kind of transcendent experiences, like building your own universe, create life (not by summoning people, but create something from the nothing) and binding the universe to your will. Don't forget that the idea of "creation" is associated (depends on your definition is of course) very often to the concept of god. This by itself implies a huge creative and almost "artistic" type of possibilities. This Dream control, like Robert Waggoner says, is not like a massive manipulation of reality, more a awareness shift into some aspect of it which tends to make it change. Also, how many lucids would you say that presented you with a near unlimited dream control? I'm no experienced lder, but seems that the average is the typical "limited control".

Also, the average dream control people report, although unique for every one, doesn't resemble the powers of a god. It's more like some "Greek hero or demi-God" like Ctharlhie mentioned. Of course this is just a point of view based on the lucid experiences observed around

Hmm, interesting question. I voted that yes, I would enjoy that. I'm open to pretty much anything, so I figure trying it couldn't hurt. It would be cool to maybe create another universe/planet, or something along those lines. :3 Granted, I haven't experienced lucid dreaming yet. So, I don't know. Others have a point... maybe being all-powerful would be boring. But I would like to try it, nonetheless.

Originally Posted by Spyguy

There is a difference between being able to do something and actually doing something.

Totally, but knowing that you can finish the fight whenever you want..

Meh being godly is boring. Takes the fun out of everything for me, so canceled those powers.

I believe that when we are lucid dreaming, we are automatically the god of our dream. Why? because we are the most powerfull being in the dream, can control everything if we concentrate, an we are the creators of the world. Like the software that designed the entire place. So here is what I say: we are a mini-god, that creates a room, or a beach or whatever. The real god is just like that but on a bigger scale. He can imagine not just a room or a few persons, but the whole multiverse.
Like fractals.
Another thought: If we dream we look at something, what is in our back, where we cannot see? Because it can change to anything, this probablly meas it can be anything there.
Also quantum fisics says that a small particle can be anywhere until an observer sees it.
Also the buddhist say: "if a tree falls and there is no one to hear it, will it make a sound?"
So here is my theory: This world is just a lucid dream, or a thought of God... and everything is made not from matter, but the thoughts of god. just like our dreamworld is just an illusion,, it's not material, it's just a thought!

I just don't see how some of you can think that being all-powerful could ever get boring, I guess it really depends on your personality. When I think of god powers in a dream, I'm not thinking about things like fighting people and being able to defeat them instantly like mentioned, I think more along the lines of altering the fundamental construct of reality. Things like creating ineffable states of existence a la hallucinogen-induced experiences, creating 4th and 5th and more dimensional objects and perspectives, etc. If I had that level of control in a lucid (which I am striving toward) I'd be one happy camper.

There is no god.