Met My Dream Guide, But Something Kind of Scary Happened

**Toledous** · 03-25-2015 09:57 AM

I'll try to keep this brief. If people are interested in what my dreams entailed entirely, then I will post the full version but here is my good and bad experience. I haven't posted in years because I've been so freakin busy I haven't had time to focus on Lucidity, or post, but I have very vidid dreams often, and this experience revived my interest.

I became lucid and I made something that I wanted to happen happen in the dream. After the fact, a man wearing a black and white pinstripe suit (each stripe about 2 inches thick and vertical) looked at me and said, "I like what you did there, that was clever." I approached him because usually when I am lucid, the characters don't make sense. I asked if he was my dream guide and he said yes. He had a top hat on that was a bit worn and kind of 'mad-hatter-esque', and long, unkempt hair, almost like Doc Brown from Back to Future, but orangish.

I followed him through this hallway that was very circus like. He appeared very busy, almost like an executive in this "dream network", handing out papers and issuing orders, things of that nature. He gave me one rule at this time. Avoid the gridlines. I was confused and asked what he meant, and he manifested this laser-like grid of yellow lines intersecting before me. I asked if I would be taken somewhere I wasn't supposed to be if I did, and he said, "Yes." That was the end of my first experience with him during the dream, but not the last.

Here's the freaky part. The next thing I remember, I found myself in another dream. A man in a suit was following me, and for some reason, he had control of every aspect of my dream except for me. It was a game for him to see if I could escape. I remained lucid for the entirety of it so I wasn't scared of being harmed, but I as unable to take control from him. At one point I went for a water bottle, and a "doctor" approached me and warned me it was dangerous containing various chemicals including "Ephrine". I called him on his BS and asked him to explain what it was...he got flustered and walked away saying, "We're getting a little crazy down here."

Next I find myself outside in a man-made walkway. I didn't know what to do, so I asked for my dream-guide (one of the first times I've actually asked for it), and sure enough he appeared out of nowhere, in the same outfit he was in before, although his face looked a bit different. As soon as he appeared, a darker version of him appeared also. Almost identical, but wearing all black, including black hat and black features. He started yelling at my dream-guide, "We never discussed this!"

My dream-guild then looked at me and said, "What you need to figure out is if you are in...or out."

I then woke up in my bed but it was a false awakening and I realized I was still dreaming. my closet has doors of mirrors and I remember reading that looking in a mirror in a dream can be scary, but I decided to anyway. When I looked in the mirror, I looked like me but my face was distorted and straining very hard. Every feature of my face was expressed to the max, showing lines in my forehead, mouth wide-open, etc.

I then woke up for real and almost felt scared of myself. I knew everything I had experienced was a dream, but it frightened me that some part of my subconscious took control of the dream and tried to convince my dream-guide to not offer help.

I'm interested in hearing any and all replies!

**proctree** · 03-25-2015 10:48 AM

Don't stress about it. Dreams can sometimes be just a large mess of emotions and thought that bear no resemblance to anything, and that do not necessarily mean something solid. Thoughts can sometimes spontaneously materialize in dreams, and it is very likely that the 'dark' dream guide was nothing more than how your dream chose to materialize your anxiousness or fear. Furthermore, although their dialog seems to have some sort of meaning behind it, I think that's nothing more than an ilusion. Their replies are only random thoughts that took form in sound.
Remember, things are only as powerful as people believe them to be. This applies to dream too, but in the literal sense: if you believe your dream guide is powerful, then he will be powerful. If you believe he's just a megalomanic DC on a power trip, then that's what he'll be. Taking power into your own hands is the easiest way to assume control over your LDs. I'm generally opposed to the idea of dream guides, because someone knowing more than you or having more power than you in an LD is completely phony for me. It's as if, let's say, a god chose one of his priests to guide him.

So, in conclusion: don't stress. Everything you experienced was just the product of your own anxiousness and chaos.

**Toledous** · 03-25-2015 11:18 AM

Thanks for the reply. I really haven't worried too much about it, but it was very disturbing when I woke up. Funny you should mention the anxiety issue. I was diagnosed with GAD a couple years ago and have been taking 10mg (lowest dosage) of Lexapro for about a year. One thing I've noticed is an increase in vivid dreams, which is yet another reason I should revisit attempting lucidity like I did years ago. It's exciting!

I'm aware that what I see is a manifestation in my mind, but it was just odd to have an adversary in a dream that made sense, when usually they do not. As a budding guy in the entertainment industry it's a very unique idea to explore.

**Darksoul1994** · 03-25-2015 02:28 PM

I always love stories like this that carry such depth of complexity and emotional immersion.
definitely get back into it man, better late than never with exploring new stuff like this!

**JadeGreen** · 03-25-2015 03:36 PM

Judging by the way that you described and viewed your dream guide, it sounds as though it may have been a strenuous or intimidating experience throughout. Do you think that this may have been because you were intimidated by the idea of having a dream guide?

I find it interesting how you state your guide was walking around as if he were the boss of everything in the dream, handing out paperwork to other DCs, and even telling you, the dreamer, what you should and shouldn't do. (Don't step on the yellow laser grid) If you can, I want you to try and learn more about why this is the way it is.

It's good that your guide manifested when you asked him to. The fact that he is somewhat responsive to you and will regard what you say is always a good sign.

I don't know exactly what to say about the 'shadow' dream guide though. This might be your dream nemesis. I've observed this with quite a few lucid dreamers having one of these including my college roommate. But why does he bear such resemblance to your dream guide? Why does your dream guide look the way he does? What is his appearance and behavior supposed to represent for you?

I think that (if you feel comfortable) you should start practicing lucid dreaming again and learn more about this. The best person to answer your questions and learn more about this is you.

**DawnEye11** · 03-25-2015 03:58 PM

Its okay that it scared you. But always remember to do your best to be brave. That way you can take control of the dream with good thoughts and make it into something better. Also, just because you have a dream guide doesn't mean it has more control than you do. We call them that because they can be helpful in dreams.

My dream-guild then looked at me and said, "What you need to figure out is if you are in...or out."

This line right here sort of confirms that probably somewhere inside you probably felt afraid of having a somewhat smarter DC in there and you didn't really know whether you wanted it or not. So maybe you should just be accepting of both dream characters. I'm sure you could even turn the bad dream character into your friend so there is nothing to be afraid of. : 3

**DawnEye11** · 03-25-2015 04:02 PM

Originally Posted by JadeGreen

Judging by the way that you described and viewed your dream guide, it sounds as though it may have been a strenuous or intimidating experience throughout. Do you think that this may have been because you were intimidated by the idea of having a dream guide?

I find it interesting how you state your guide was walking around as if he were the boss of everything in the dream, handing out paperwork to other DCs, and even telling you, the dreamer, what you should and shouldn't do. (Don't step on the yellow laser grid) If you can, I want you to try and learn more about why this is the way it is.

It's good that your guide manifested when you asked him to. The fact that he is somewhat responsive to you and will regard what you say is always a good sign.

I don't know exactly what to say about the 'shadow' dream guide though. This might be your dream nemesis. I've observed this with quite a few lucid dreamers having one of these including my college roommate. But why does he bear such resemblance to your dream guide? Why does your dream guide look the way he does? What is his appearance and behavior supposed to represent for you?

I think that (if you feel comfortable) you should start practicing lucid dreaming again and learn more about this. The best person to answer your questions and learn more about this is you.

haha Jade. I agree with you. Its funny how the exact same time I was going to reply, you did too. But you did it before me. So if i mentioned the same thing you did sorry. ^^""

**JadeGreen** · 03-25-2015 09:08 PM

Well, you and me are kind of the go-to people if you want to know about dream guides.

**Sivason** · 03-25-2015 09:31 PM

Hi Toledous, This actually sounds like a genuine case of an entity from an astral realm contacting you. suppose to many I seem a bit crazy when I talk about this stuff, but to me it is very real. When I met my first dream guide I was terrified, and ended up running away and creating a church then grabbing a crucifix off the wall and so on. It is freaky and weird and terrifying when the idea of a dream guide external to your self becomes all too real. That is natural! Welcome to the X-files, I guess. Everything about that dream reminds me of things I have seen.

Take the grid lines. The way these being often interact is to create a small enclosed area where they control almost everything because they created it and not you. It is enclosed in a bubble or some such construction of energy and an untrained dreamer will find it impossible to pass the barrier, you would have become confused and got a feeling f becoming entangled in the grid until you backed away. Had you got through you would have been in a different place, but if you intend to interact with the dream guide, just leave the grid alone for now. Too me they appear as power lines or electrified chain link fencing and so on. So that part fits dead on with my experiences.

The man in the suit controlling everything and making you feel as if you needed to escape makes total sense too. These beings often toy with a dreamer they are interested in at first, in order to better judge things like ability to calm yourself, general temperament and so on. Two factors are here. If they created the area, they will have more ability than inside your own dream, and training. The live in a realm that requires the same skills used in dream control, so they will be much better at it than you for years.

The other guy who looked dark. My first dream guide always had two other beings with her. One of them antagonized me for years. The dark figure was probably irritated that the lighter one responded when you called. They may have planned on watching you and so on, but one of them sped up the process and irritated the other.

Finally, the statement "are you in or not?" They have billions of dreamers they could be helping. You are allowed to be fearful, but you are going to need to ASK them to help you, knowing that in doing so, you are giving up some personal rights. Think of it as signing up for boot camp.

**yaya** · 03-25-2015 10:32 PM

thank you very much, Sivason! this was the best post i ever read about DG. I was about to get depressed when the other dreamers in all these years have told that DGs are not real. but i see they can be real and far apart from our sub-conscious mind. that's great! so there are people out side there whom i can count on i am not alone any more!

**DawnEye11** · 03-26-2015 12:50 AM

Originally Posted by sivason

Hi Toledous, This actually sounds like a genuine case of an entity from an astral realm contacting you. suppose to many I seem a bit crazy when I talk about this stuff, but to me it is very real. When I met my first dream guide I was terrified, and ended up running away and creating a church then grabbing a crucifix off the wall and so on. It is freaky and weird and terrifying when the idea of a dream guide external to your self becomes all too real. That is natural! Welcome to the X-files, I guess. Everything about that dream reminds me of things I have seen.

Take the grid lines. The way these being often interact is to create a small enclosed area where they control almost everything because they created it and not you. It is enclosed in a bubble or some such construction of energy and an untrained dreamer will find it impossible to pass the barrier, you would have become confused and got a feeling f becoming entangled in the grid until you backed away. Had you got through you would have been in a different place, but if you intend to interact with the dream guide, just leave the grid alone for now. Too me they appear as power lines or electrified chain link fencing and so on. So that part fits dead on with my experiences.

The man in the suit controlling everything and making you feel as if you needed to escape makes total sense too. These beings often toy with a dreamer they are interested in at first, in order to better judge things like ability to calm yourself, general temperament and so on. Two factors are here. If they created the area, they will have more ability than inside your own dream, and training. The live in a realm that requires the same skills used in dream control, so they will be much better at it than you for years.

The other guy who looked dark. My first dream guide always had two other beings with her. One of them antagonized me for years. The dark figure was probably irritated that the lighter one responded when you called. They may have planned on watching you and so on, but one of them sped up the process and irritated the other.

Finally, the statement "are you in or not?" They have billions of dreamers they could be helping. You are allowed to be fearful, but you are going to need to ASK them to help you, knowing that in doing so, you are giving up some personal rights. Think of it as signing up for boot camp.

If you believe in spirit guides I guess you could see it this way too. I never said that real beings couldn't enter your dreams but just so you know. If you actually get into the spirit guide thing you should be careful because you might open yourself up to negative entities. Well that's at least what I've read about it. There was a time when two of the characters in my dream gave off a really really bad vibe though. I doubt they were real entities but when they were there It felt like a feeling of despair and dread dropped right inside of me. When I woke up the feeling was still there. But it left after i calmed down,prayed about it than did things to get my mind off it. : / I don't write down the dreams that really freak me out in my dream journal so it might not be there.

**Sivason** · 03-26-2015 02:55 AM

Originally Posted by DawnEye11

If you believe in spirit guides I guess you could see it this way too. I never said that real beings couldn't enter your dreams but just so you know. If you actually get into the spirit guide thing you should be careful because you might open yourself up to negative entities.

Yes, that is why I would never say something like, "I open myself to you." If they wanted that kind of pledge I would be very suspicious and question who they really were and why they could not see that it is asking too much.

I would not hesitate to say the following if you want a dream guide, "I need help and am willing to try very hard to understand you. Please teach me."

**Dthoughts** · 03-26-2015 03:32 AM

Is it me or is DV becoming exciting again or has it always been this way.. i love this thread

To me it's simple. From the very moment you resisted the man with the water-bottle and called him on his 'bs' the dream took a turn. As a finale the stern statement: "Figure out if your in .. or out" meaning do you comply fully or are you going to be a little brat? This happens in my dreams too the guides aren't always patient. I do got the feeling from my own dream that the dream narrator as you might say puts a lot of effort in teaching and setting dream stages.

Maybe ephrine is epinephrine? anyway just a guess. But i don't think it was bullshit. Water and foods may just have a strange effect in dreams.

**DawnEye11** · 03-26-2015 03:56 AM

Originally Posted by sivason

Yes, that is why I would never say something like, "I open myself to you." If they wanted that kind of pledge I would be very suspicious and question who they really were and why they could not see that it is asking too much.

I would not hesitate to say the following if you want a dream guide, "I need help and am willing to try very hard to understand you. Please teach me."

Watching what they say and you say is a good idea. But isn't there a little more to it than just asking? I mean you could interrogate them but if they really had a mind of their own they would probably just do whatever they want to.So what would you do in that circumstance?Have you ever come across a situation such as that?

**Sivason** · 03-26-2015 04:31 AM

Originally Posted by DawnEye11

Watching what they say and you say is a good idea. But isn't there a little more to it than just asking? I mean you could interrogate them but if they really had a mind of their own they would probably just do whatever they want to. So what would you do in that circumstance?Have you ever come across a situation such as that?

I have been scared to death. I have been forcefully held in a paralyzed state when I was being difficult. I have seen things so frightening when I basically took a wrong turn as to leave me chilled long after waking. I never knew at first what they could or could not do, and how much trouble I may be able to get in to. I am not at all regretful that I braved the terror and became proficient at their own game. I found only good people who were just scary bad asses, but honestly kind teachers if you could deal with the intensity of the training. I was only shown the fearful stuff so I would be careful and learn what I could and could not do.

I do not think we have anything to fear upon awakening. They would need you to honestly and knowingly invite them to enter your mind for them to have much effect on you beyond pushing you around in a dream. You can always wake up, and you can always take back any access you have granted. I suppose the question is, "is it worth some terror or loss of control to be instructed in dream arts by those who live in a realm that is basically made of dream like forces?" In my case a resounding yes, I would do it all again. Now I almost never have any feeling of fear when astral, and am getting very good to the point that they do not have any kind of control over me. I still have much to learn and am humble and respectful of them, but do not fear them at all.

**Dthoughts** · 03-26-2015 04:42 AM

I've had a draem once where I was strangled and hold by a force. It was the scariest lucid episodes. But I beat him and fly off into the dream myself and met what are probably astral beings on my own terms. It's more difficult but it's pretty damn fun! On the other hand, I'm probably not really human.

Just be sure that you don't beat ur Anima.

But If i where you. I would take ur chances with the dream guide. I would be thrilled to be in a position like that.