Thread: Senses Initiated Lucid Dream (SSILD)

Originally Posted by Sydney

For everyone that's succeeded, how long did you stay up in your WBTBs? I usually just use the restroom and get back in bed.
Oh and also how long did you sleep before you got up for your WBTB?

Getting up for a few minutes like that is good as you should be able to do the technique and fall asleep easily. 6 hours for a wbtb is generally accepted as the optimal time

All right, I succeeded WILD 2 times and had like 3-5 FAs, and had 1 semi-LD after reading this thread

here's what I did: so I remembered doing SSILD after waking up. I just did it after I immediately woke up during night... and closed eyes. Then I just fell asleep after doing 1 cycle lol. I dreamed of conjuring a huge sickle in my room and playing with it. it was really fun, but never got lucid. when I woke up again I did SSILD for 2 cycles, and then I had 'OBE dream', or I don't if I had that or I just lifted my dream body on purpose, but I DID wild. I shouted clarity! but then I woke up shortly...
for the third time I did SSILD again for 4 cycles, but this time I was too awoke..so I couldn't fall alseep for 10 mintues. BUT when I fell asleep I lifted my dream body again. this time I could enter lucid dream and I flew out of veranda
and then in second dream I had a dream of meeting friend of mine - she told me that her dreamed synched with me. I also dreamed of writing a post on this thread that I had succeed with it

For me 3 cycles are enough to do. I guess the time for staying up for WBTB and cycles depend on each person so I'd suggest you find your own way...

Anyway, I always tried to find a way to have LD/ WILD during night. (early morning) but I always kept falling asleep and forgetting to do it. Falling asleep easily was the hard part for me, but this technique finally solved the problem! and I broke my dryspell today.
So thank you so much CosmicIron. I wished I could find a guide for this...and I didn't even know the steps!! thanks so much!

Well I have been in a dryspell lately and last night was the second time of trying this technique, and I got three lucid dreams.

I am weary this is a placebo so I will keep trying.

Originally Posted by dakotahnok

Well I have been in a dryspell lately and last night was the second time of trying this technique, and I got three lucid dreams.

I am weary this is a placebo so I will keep trying.

I doubt it was just your intent as it has been producing awesome results and yours can be added. Several people are saying 'last night', are you doing this with wbtb or before a nights sleep?

Originally Posted by mcwillis

I doubt it was just your intent as it has been producing awesome results and yours can be added. Several people are saying 'last night', are you doing this with wbtb or before a nights sleep?

I'm pretty sure its not a placebo. I'm just not 100% sure.

I used it with wbtb. I stayed up for like 5 minutes.

^I agree with you that this is not a placebo...WILD, DILD are placebo


I think I found another theory behind this technique.

/have you guys ever wondered that why you lucid dream well during naps or late morning, not EARLY in the morning?
The reason is, that the brain structure which allows us to produce those 'dream-like images(hypnagogic images)' called interbrain or diencephalon, is activated with cerebrum both awake together easily at that time, which makes us lucid in dream fluently. However, during night, like I said early in the morning, there's a high possibility of interbrain and cerebrum being asleep.
So using SSILD, you can activate your interbrain a little stimulating your senses (seeing, feeling, hearing) thus, you can have either OBE, WILD, or even DILD, or at least you suspect your dream!
well just my opinion. what do you guys think?

Although I don't really know anything about brain science, thats interesting.

Originally Posted by Windhover@

^I agree with you that this is not a placebo...WILD, DILD are placebo

where do you get WILD and DILD are plecebo? I can't agree with that.

As far as your theory. It is possible.

well I'm not saying WILD and DILD are placebo per se, I meant that those take more intent and right mindset with some effort to have them during night than/contrary to SSILD. just my opinion, well most of my WILDs are from strong intent in my head without a thought, it's simple but it's kinda hard

That does sound interesting, the way SSILD works.

No luck last night. Woke up, did my WBTB, got back in bed, and did about 1 and a half cycles before my mind wandered and I fell asleep.

Darn..

Ok, I gotta remember to do this. I keep forgetting. >_>

Had FA again. Semi-LD - I practiced levitation
I had a dream that I almost got lucid...

No luck last night either. Im trying to stay away from my MILD technique, so this better end up worth it.

The huge success rate with this method seems promising. I'll give it a try tonight!

One thing that's missed for this technique (I think), is the strong intent at the end of cycle!! You have to 'intend' to have WILD or DILD or whatever the techqniue it is, your mind have to have desire to LD, without a thought, without a doubt.
Carefully following the steps is perfectly fine I think, but with intent I think it would be more successful

Originally Posted by Windhover@

One thing that's missed for this technique (I think), is the strong intent at the end of cycle!! You have to 'intend' to have WILD or DILD or whatever the techqniue it is, your mind have to have desire to LD, without a thought, without a doubt.
Carefully following the steps is perfectly fine I think, but with intent I think it would be more successful

That isn't what CosmicIron prescribes. He recommends that the technique should be done passively so as to drift away into sleep after four or five cycles I don't think intent should be introduced at all. It is a technique in itself devoid of the need for intent.

Originally Posted by mcwillis

That isn't what CosmicIron prescribes. He recommends that the technique should be done passively so as to drift away into sleep after four or five cycles I don't think intent should be introduced at all. It is a technique in itself devoid of the need for intent.

You need intent no matter what in order to lucid dream. Without any inten its almost guaranteed that you won't have any lucid dreams.

Originally Posted by dakotahnok

You need intent no matter what in order to lucid dream. Without any inten its almost guaranteed that you won't have any lucid dreams.

Nonsense. I have had many DILD's without intending to have them. I wager that if you instructed 100 people to use this method for a few weeks without the knowledge of what might happen as a result and who also have no desire to have lucid dreams then some of them would have lucid dreams.

Originally Posted by mcwillis

Nonsense. I have had many DILD's without intending to have them. I wager that if you instructed 100 people to use this method for a few weeks without the knowledge of what might happen as a result and who also have no desire to have lucid dreams then some of them would have lucid dreams.

Did you know what lucid dreaming was at the time of having them? If so then yes, there was a small bit of intent. If no then you are a "natural". Which is a special circumstance that not everyone can have.

And until you do that experiment you can't use it to back up your statement.

I emailed CosmicIron about one of my attempts, where I was doing everything correctly and wasn't getting results. Here is what he exactly said:

Hi,

Normally people do the exercise with a lot of mental effort and expect immediate result. This is a common mistake that causes them loss of sleep. Since the exercise is designed to work after you fall asleep, losing sleep will not help you succeed. Your problem, on the other hand, is the exact opposite -- you fall asleep too quickly without entering the trance. The trance is the state when you become deeply relaxed, your mind begins to wander, and you often forget about the exercise. The longer we hold onto this state, the more likely we will succeed later. This is much easier to deal with than the losing sleep problem . You can try the following solutions:

1. Increase the number of repetitions. Do not fall asleep until you sense you have entered the trance -- mind begins to drift, you forget which step you are into the exercise, and etc.

2. With each cycle, you should feel you are going deeper into the trance. The sensations should feel more real with each cycle. For example, do not expect to be able to see anything during the first couple of cycles, but in later cycles you should observe a bit more intently and expect to see something out if the dark. Same thing goes for hearing things. In the beginning you don't expect to hear anything but later you should expect to hear the noise in your head more clearly. Please be careful though -- do NOT force yourself if you absolutely don't feel anything. Being able to fall asleep always has much higher priority.

3. During the last step where you try to fall asleep quickly, you may want to occasionally quickly glance at the darkness behind your closed eyelids. Do this very quickly and sparingly, do not focus and absolutely do not stress your eye muscles! If you feel this is keeping you from falling asleep then you should drop it and let go of everything to fall asleep ASAP.

You don't have to do all three above. I suggest you try them and find the right balance between entering the trance and falling asleep. If anything, you don't want to lose sleep so please do not stress yourself!

Hope this helps some of you

Tried last night, passed out after two reps. I didn't recall anything when I woke up though, so I have no idea if it worked or not. :/

Originally Posted by Sydney

I emailed CosmicIron about one of my attempts, where I was doing everything correctly and wasn't getting results. Here is what he exactly said:



Hope this helps some of you

Just remember, no matter the technique, results aren't guaranteed to work every time. At least not at first.

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