Thread: Dutchraptor's Deild Guide - Become an Ld god.

Well - started checking in the link - and in one there is a mention of autosnooze missing - either in that, or in it since ages before now - unclear..
And in one I do not find it - you searched for any mention of auto-snooze I guess?
But I found Sivason`s "shake-it-auto-snooze" and a "touch it snooze"..

Will just get what you got later..

I just made a quick google search . I think i have told you this before, lol, but it was a painstaking experience to find the app. I installed one by one and excluded one by one..

Originally Posted by VagalTone

I just made a quick google search . I think i have told you this before, lol, but it was a painstaking experience to find the app. I installed one by one and excluded one by one..

At least I do not feel stupid any more now - this is horror!!

Originally Posted by benni

Mine is called 'Alarm Clock HD - Free'. It does work and it does have an autosnooze function. You can chose a song from your iPhone or any sound you like and then set the time after which it turns itself off... It is really easy to find. You just create a new alarm and then you get the option 'autosnooze'. The only downside is that it won't work if you close the app so that means that your battery gets drained quite a bit if you keep it open all night long. I hope this helps

I have this App now - and it has no auto-snooze!
Is this the way your´s looks?

^^ well.... I am very sorry! I own three alarm clock apps and apparently I linked you the wrong one! Now this is the one that has got an Autosnooze function: https://itunes.apple.com/nz/app/alar...452111430?mt=8 In the description it says "- Auto-snooze: If your device is far from you, you can set an auto-snooze option. Your alarm will snooze after a defined time and you can also set how many times it will auto-snooze.".... Apparently this app costs 1.29$.

I am really sorry for this inconvenience! I have tried three alarm clocks and apparently I just gave you the wrong name. But now I guarantee you that this app does have the autosnooze function

Okay - will get this on Monday - needs another computer says my husband - hach - thank you - all not so easy - but if I get this Monday - I will finally be there - so that is good!

Whoohoo - I got an app, which can almost do what I want from it!
Thank you benni once more!
It is able to produce an alarm for 5 seconds - and that seems to be a good span - every half hour.
A longer interim is not possible - and eventually it rings through and has to be stopped.
I tried it out last night - not well prepared, since I had my mates over till late - or rather early - and no other LD-preps.
But I made a mistake - would have come to the realization anyway - but just checked page one here - and that confirms it for me - started too late.
First alarm was after 5 hours - and caught me already awake..
Not sure, if it's really true - but I seem to remember, that I was already awake for all 4 times it went off - bit weird - but a start.
Like you recommend it dutchraptor - tonight the first goes off after 3 h of sleep!

Has anybody got more tips on the timing?
Was there not also a thread with multiple alarms in the title?
*goes searching*

Nice you have found one ! I think timing is a bit personal, but i use 6 hours after bedtime, and 15 min intervals. Many times i try other settings, and sometimes i play with it like waking up and falling asleep for 3 minutes when i am really sleepy... yeah very flexible stuff. Definitely, this is a research only you can do, but now you have the app which is the most important.

Now, StephL, this alarm deild will hit many times when you are not dreaming..and it may not be much worthwhile other than to make you remember to care about lucid dreaming.

The real opportunity will come when it hits in the middle of REM ! Now imagine if we have in the future a reliable device that hits only in REM and effectively arouses u. That may be very soon i hope

The only downside of this stuff is that it can be very annoying ( specially if we share the bedroom ) but ,again, i hope soon it won´t be anymore

Yeah - found that other thread - and consider to let it go off every 15 min now...
What was missing last night was a proper intention and preparation - I more or less just put it and repeated some several times, that I would lay still, eyes closed and re-enter the dream lucidly after going to bed.
I might have been hovering in an almost daydream for a while - or whatever happened, that I do remember them going off, but believed, to always have been awake, when they did.
Can't be - interesting again, how easily memory plays tricks on you! I have slept while the alarm-phase with every half hour for 3 h - and can't be it caught me always in between dreams.
Will experiment - and pay attention - and implant a stronger desire - somehow, I didn't really care, if it works again - from the partying, probably..

This night I will plan it better - esp. do a WBTB, if I do not hit success with several alarm repetitions.
I'll put it off then and go my usual way - or maybe better than usual and indeed do induce a WILD in WBTB.
Usual for me means attempting WILD - and then later getting a DILD from the attempt.
Got to check, but the success-rate with this was quite good last two months.


Edit: Good for me - in this respect - that my husband and me sleep apart.

They should add a DEILD alarm in the NovaDreamer 2! We should nag them about it :cheecky:

Got to report - doing that all over the forum just now - but here it must be as well:

It woohoorked!!

I did my first real non-lucid to LD DEILD last night!!
With my multiple alarm auto-snooze function - I use this: Alarm Clock Bud Pro for IPhone
Thank you loads for that benni!

Was the second of 6 alarms I set with 30 min. intervals - two woke me, and with some mantra-ing I fell back asleep, two found me awake and one I must have missed.

It was feeling super-easy - the alarm woke me from a dream - I listened to it - 5 sec..
My face was towards the bed - and fitting that position - I suddenly could look through my eyelids like through a camera-seeker - and saw the ground, covered in decorative pebbles.
It felt easy to make that bigger and more realistic - then came a bodily "wuusch"-feeling - and I was there!
First LD after a longer dry-spell.
Which I had brought upon myself by suspending all activities, waiting for the application to be found and bought.

I just used this technique successfully for the first time last night! I've tried using auto-snooze alarms on several occasions in the past, but I never made the effort to remain completely still because I didn't think it mattered that much. Well, I know now that it does.

My alarm went off twice during the night. The first time, I forgot to stay still so I just fell back to sleep. The second time, I immediately remembered to remain motionless when I woke up. Literally within 30 seconds, my body went into sleep paralysis. I've never gone into sleep paralysis that quickly in my life. Using my dream body, I sat up in my bed and started trying to make a dream scene materialize, but all I could see was blackness. I woke up a minute later before I could enter a full-blown dream. I think I was too excited about the technique working.

So even though it didn't technically lead to a lucid dream, it did put me into SP very quickly, and the potential of that has me really excited. Between this technique and a few other tips I learned recently, I feel like I'm making significant progress for the first time in years. Thanks, dutchraptor!

No problem
Good work, you'll get there eventually.

Probably been asked before, but can you actually DEILD with an alarm or is it only for practice?

you can, but it's not as effective in the long haul. The problem with alarms is that you can wake up at the wrong time, and generally aren't of the same level of awareness as you would be normally.

If you can keep it up, intent will get you much further

Anyway - I'll get my alarms in tonight - got to do something more, than up to now for the comp! wink.gif

Just like to say, i was really close to getting this technique to work. I managed to set an alarm at a perfect volume which will sometimes wake me up, but is not too loud and finishes very quickly. It woke me up last night around 4:15 and because it was quiet, i managed to calmly come up of the dream. I managed to lay still, and keep my eyes completely closed. However, i think i messed up in this part. Because I couldn't recall my last dream at this point i ended up concentrating on my body and keeping still which made my body tense up a bit. Swallowing was a problem because i was thinking about my body, and I never really felt SP or any other sensations, so I gave up.

Basically, long story short, Im close and think with a bit more practice at this re-entry stage, i should be good to go.

Great tutorial, thank you. Now I'm just having issues with the clock, I downloaded the android one and dont know how to make it automatically turn off.

Great Tutorial

I was trying few days ago using DEILD
When i woke up and broke probatly rem phase i've remembered to not move and keep my eyes closed then i've felt quite weird sensations.
I feel'd something like waves of numbness going throught my legs
Each wave made my body feel more numb etc.
Then for some reason i had urge to stand up and i've got up from bed

Was this a start of DEILD?

I did have a DEILD, one from a normal dream with alarm following this tutorial. Also LD-LD, but those were more seamless.

Waking up, I tried to keep my mind dreamy, in the empty within - how to say that? I don't know.
I didn't concentrate on my previous dream - I looked in the blackness of my closed eye vision.

After a second or two - an aperture in the shape of an oval - maybe 1.5 m width and 0.5 m hight - appeared in the black.
And I could look through it into a 3D dream.
What was interesting - I was laying face down in my bed - and this view corresponded perfectly - as if I would be hovering 40 cm above ground and looking down on picturesque pebbles of a way.
In some manner too fast to analyse - I found myself sitting on a bench more or less instantaneously - after maybe a second of peeking in my dream.

I have no idea, if I moved, but I also cannot say, if I was over the time of transition staying in SP (REM-Atonia) or not.
You'll know it, if you consciously move against it - stupid thing to do.
So - there is definitively no need to somehow consciously feel this phenomenon, if it's even there, while you are conscious of your body.
No HI/HH, either, like vibrations or visuals/audio at all.

If some of that is typical or not - good question - but that's how it went for me.
I'll try to motivate my lazy self and lame excuse for an LDer to take some ld-god action pronto - also trying that for a WBTB with a serious WILD effort.

Originally Posted by MisakaMikoto

Great Tutorial

I was trying few days ago using DEILD
When i woke up and broke probatly rem phase i've remembered to not move and keep my eyes closed then i've felt quite weird sensations.
I feel'd something like waves of numbness going throught my legs
Each wave made my body feel more numb etc.
Then for some reason i had urge to stand up and i've got up from bed

Was this a start of DEILD?

It's written. This is part of the technique and you must resist this urge no matter what. That's what he wrote.
I'm looking forward to this technique, but i'm still afraid of SP even though i never experienced it. Damn it what a waste!

Originally Posted by TheAssassin56

It's written. This is part of the technique and you must resist this urge no matter what. That's what he wrote.
I'm looking forward to this technique, but i'm still afraid of SP even though i never experienced it. Damn it what a waste!

Don't worry, the SP can be fascinating once you wish to explore it.

He's right about the part on resisting the urge to move. It's not the only way, or necessarily the easiest but it's good when you persevere. The only problem is it can get so uncomfortable you just don't have any will power left, but usually at this stage your attempt has already failed and you would proceed with trying WILD or just falling asleep. The nice part about DEILD is that the hardest part should be getting the wakingup right, after this entering the dream shouldn't be too difficult.

Give it your best shot

Originally Posted by dutchraptor

The nice part about DEILD is that the hardest part should be getting the wakingup right, after this entering the dream shouldn't be too difficult.

Aye, but there's the rub. I very very rarely having these wake-up-know-I-was-dreaming-remain-still-and-quickly-drift-back-to-sleep perfect moments. Waking from LDs almost all the time is due to excitement so I'm usually *very* awake and aware, I have yet to fall back into an LD from an LD. My LDs are also frequently at the end of the last sleep cycle of the day so my body/brain is just "done" with dreaming and can't make it back in. And when I wake from NDs, I'm usually so "out of it" that it takes a while to realize I had been dreaming at all, and by then I've usually already rolled over or my hands are numb or I have to use the bathroom so badly that I must move.

It seems the alarm (from any source) DEILDs are the most likely to succeed since stumbling on those perfect moments through the night randomly seem so rare. Any hints in developing that "wake up with stillness and dream memory" ability would be greatly appreciated!

Originally Posted by FryingMan

Aye, but there's the rub. I very very rarely having these wake-up-know-I-was-dreaming-remain-still-and-quickly-drift-back-to-sleep perfect moments. Waking from LDs almost all the time is due to excitement so I'm usually *very* awake and aware, I have yet to fall back into an LD from an LD. My LDs are also frequently at the end of the last sleep cycle of the day so my body/brain is just "done" with dreaming and can't make it back in. And when I wake from NDs, I'm usually so "out of it" that it takes a while to realize I had been dreaming at all, and by then I've usually already rolled over or my hands are numb or I have to use the bathroom so badly that I must move.

It seems the alarm (from any source) DEILDs are the most likely to succeed since stumbling on those perfect moments through the night randomly seem so rare. Any hints in developing that "wake up with stillness and dream memory" ability would be greatly appreciated!

Actually that's something I struggle with myself too. I just don't like the whole alarm clock method, I don't think it can really wake you up exactly right,

My mantra's have worked on and off, seemingly randomly and never last that long. When it goes right though what happens i notice myself waking up before I have opened my eyes. The mantra I use most often is "I will notice as I'm waking up". I don't what it is about it, but it seems to wake me up through the night and catch the zone just right without forcing it.

More importantly, I actually use a method that another DV'er showed me. Instead of staying completely still you just try sleep but with the intention of waking up again right before you enter the dream. Basically you trick your body into thinking your falling asleep without having to try maintain a certain level of consciousness, then right at the last moment you kinda get shocked in and you can enter the dream lucidly.

I'm almost certain this is the absolute best way to do it, with the right intention it can just come and strike up straight away. The hard part is obviously maintaining the willpower to spend a solid month repeating a mantra before you start seeing any tangible results.

Originally Posted by dutchraptor

Actually that's something I struggle with myself too. I just don't like the whole alarm clock method, I don't think it can really wake you up exactly right,

I just acquired a REMee and this is one of the uses (DEILD alarm) I intend for it. The trick is to find the right mix of brightness, pattern length and style, and delay. Hopefully it will "wake me up right", or even better, lead me to lucidity directly if not yet lucid if I'm already dreaming!