Thread: What are Angels or Demons?

Wait, Alex Jones thinks the psychedelic elves you see on DMT are influencing the Illuminati's agenda?

you are obviously plagued by vicious head devils, Dei.
alex is a prophet, he's not a punchline

Why does the government work so hard to stop the flow of DMT into society if they want everyone taking it? This is not a drug they demonize to give it a forbidden fruit aspect. The DEA moved into my town nearly a year ago and an ear told me their intention was to stop the distribution of DMT. I don't believe they had any success but they spent a fortune.

that's what i don't understand about alex. he has enough legitimate research into the government's obsession with power to make anyone nervous. he doesn't need to be so 'flamboyant' to get his point across, there's good stuff there without the theatrics.

he wasn't even interested in this dmt shit untill he got the thumbs up from joe rogan while doing stand up at a club one night. alex mentioned david icke all the time, but wouldn't dare go 'there' with him. everyone knows icke hates the jews..er i mean the reptilians, and even alex knows better than to back up that bullshit.

i highly recommend anyone reading this right now to look up these people on youtube, see for yourself how just how entertaining they are. it's like a wrestling plot, or a really cheesy soap opera.

The sad thing is Alex Jones completely undermines any attempts to liberate society from the actual brainwashing that is occurring.

Originally Posted by Omnis Dei

Elaborate. I mean I know that's what they teach you at Sunday School but the contradictions are a bit much for me. If an angel has the will to oppose God, how is it different from a human? If Satan, for instance, rebelled against God and got sent to hell as punishment, then why does he rule hell? Why is he still active on earth causing gays and shit?

Satan, according to the Secret Teachings of All Ages, is an angel, not a demon. He does not command demons, he does not have anything to do with real demonology which stands apart from Christianity in the root mythology. Satan is not even a fallen angel so much as just the Adversary, the Angel of Purifying Light.

Demons, on the other hand, are parasites that feed off fear. Many an Astral Traveler has encountered dark entities out there. They do not have any real power, I've never heard of a single astral death. But that's the point, attention is energy, if you're fostering attention out of fear, you're feeding whatever is terrifying you.

Well, Lucifer is God's main man bro, he doesn't so much run Hell, as he does God's work uponst the masses. Something about, lead them astray, so only the faithful will make it or something of the sort. And actually according to old religions, Satan, or Sat Tan, sat(before/beginning), Tan(becoming) has nothing to do with Christianity at all. (Hence, satanism, is completely different then what people believe it to be. The christians were the one's who practiced ritual sacrifice, look at Solomon.

Angels and demons are the personifications of the higher conscious and the lower conscious through the subconscious.

The problem with the term demons and even angels, is that it is very broad and generic. It is like asking 'what are monsters?' Of course dragons are nothing like bigfoot, but both would be someones idea of a monster.
Angles: In Shintoism they believe in the idea 'kami' loosesly meaning spirit. I have met one being in waking life that was visable with aura sense. Its luminecent body was a sphere about 30' in diamitor.This was after a very large Shinto ceramony involving a few hundred people attempting to call one of these beings forth. I may have been one of the only ones to see it. I asked in my mind 'what are you?' and it formed an image in its center of the classic angel image. I understood that it did not mean it was a biblical angel, but was trying to help me understand, in terms my experience could deal with. These beings clearly are one version of angel. They are souls of a sort that have extremely evolved energy bodies, but currently have no physical body here on earth.
I imagine there are many other things, perhaps aliens or what have you that may have contacted people and would be precieved as angels, but the 'kami' are the only ones I am familiar with.
Demons: One good example is what Omnis Dei mentions about astrial beings. If you can precieve things out side the physical realm, for example astral, it turns out that there are a heck of a lot of small petty disembodied things out there. They like to feed off the fear they can create. Some also can hook onto an inexperienced person and try to tag along with you into your waking body. They may try to influance your actions or disturb your thoughts. Hence the idea of demonic possession. In my experience as OmnisDei mentioned they are weak and harmless, but perhaps if they hooked onto someone who is mentally ill and on drugs, they could cause some trouble.
Another type of demon would be basically a nasty version of 'kami', a soul with a very powerful energy body, but no physical body, who somehow has become corrupt and sick. Thus, a fallen angel. I have experience with the first two things I mention, but am only assuming the last one is realistic.

I think that there are worlds besides ours which have karmic interrelationships with our world, so to speak. There are angel/demons which coordinate events, keeping things from getting more out of alignment than they would otherwise. When we think in a morally stupid manner, we make their work more difficult, and adjustments become necessary which are more unpleasant from our standpoint.

I have experience with a 'muse' akin to such angels, as I have described elsewhere. Though it doesn't fall neatly into the good/evil categories, I wouldn't say its a bit of both. As I become aware of different facets of it some of those seem evil at first, but then when I understand better I see those differently. Its body, so to speak, is made at least in part from the thoughts of men, and there are deeper aspects that I perceive to be like destroying angels or divine vengeance, but those seem to be expressed and coordinated in an intelligent and redemptive way. It seems to be a master of making lemonade out of lemons. I don't think it has a discrete, fixed identity, its more fluid and distributed. In response to a question about its nature, it told me 'you claimed to have created me for [sharing information] between worlds'. It will often create dream experiences which I think are metaphorical analogues of conditions that it is aware of, as seen from its perspective, but its presence is almost always implied rather than direct. Its awareness of time is quite a bit different than my usual awareness of time, and it is extremely patient.

In a dream last year I experienced myself as a minor demon, maybe more at the level of a dog. I think that experience was created by the first demon, which has a fair amount of influence over the direction of my awareness and sense of identity. To the extent that it is an individual entity, I'd say its quite a bit stronger and more intelligent than I am as an individual. I don't feel that it impinges wrongly on my own freedom and sense of self though. I guess I could call it an angel instead of a demon, but both labels are a bit misleading. Though many religious people would find my description unsettling, I don't think that the theological filters that they interpret my experiences through do them justice. Christians who know me well are comfortable with it, as far as I can tell.

The only form the demon has taken for me is a spherical glowing ball, but it almost never exhibits a form. I'm primarily aware of it through its action on my mind, but it influences events also, and on occasionally does that in an overtly paranormal manner. I don't think that the spherical shape necessarily says a whole lot: dimensional cross sections of a very wide variety of higher dimensional shapes would look spherical.

i wonder if anyone actually reads my posts and goes, oh yea... that makes sense
before they post, well i believe such and such, without ever thinking anything else.

Angels
My belief system generally aligns with Tibetan Buddhism. I often picture Dakinis walking with me and surrounding me. They guide me, protect me, and give me peace. I imagine this is very similar to aChristian thinks of his guardian angel. Tibetan Buddhism teaches that these are actual beings that exist in an actual realm. I am not sure where I stand on this viewpoint. To question as the whether the beings I see "actually exist" or are real in the sense I am seems a pointless endeavour, since everything is illusionary. Also, before I even began practicing Buddhism, I often encountered a being I later identified as Green Tara while on hallucinogens as a energy being made of crystal, intersecting rainbows. Since, I have also encountered them in a dream as blue beings accompanying my dream guide. I was raised Christian, so I am not sure why my mind is inclined to perceive these beings in their Tibetan guises and not as Judeo/Christian winged beings.
Demons
I agree that this term is very broad. Perhaps it encompasses more concepts than "angel" does. I have encountered what other people refer to as "shadow people" during SP throughout many years of my life. I see these beings as more of a manifestation as something internal and a part of me. Rather than a separate being, it is my fear, doubts, and dark aspects of myself I am unable to confront and my conscious mind is unable to fully integrate.

Demons are Angels who have rebelled against God.
Satan (Lucifer) was an archangel, and held a high rank in heaven among the angelic host. But he began to harbor pride in his heart. He desired the throne of God, he was not content with his position. A third of all the angels were decieved into his plan to take over the throne. There was a war in heaven, and satan was cast out, along with his angels. Satan is not in hell, and does not rule hell. Hell was prepared for satan and his angels. Satan roams the earth, seeking whom he may devour. He does have command over "his angels" (the demons). Satan is not a horned being with a tail and pitchfork, he is an angel of light. Still a beutifull creature. But looks are decieving. Demons tempt people, and are in a spiritual war with God and His people. A more correct term for satans angels would be "devils", rather than demon. As demon (daimon) may refer to other spirits as well. Angels are messengers of God, praisers of God, and servants of God. There are angels who are sent from God to protect His people from harm. (Gaurdian angels). Angels may take on the form of a human to test a person. Angels may travel between heaven and earth freely, as we can see in Job.

I'd have to take non-literal way of it, specially with so many different people of the world having their stories of both.

Maybe they are more of a status for a being rather than a being..... like as opposed to demons being monsters in the physical sense, they are just those who are mentally monsters in the worst of ways; manipulative sociopaths whatever it be. Angels being the more genuinely selfless.

It would be something I'd interpret to not be literal. Death in the center makes me wonder if that time of someones life; the end, is when they as a being is remembered person based on actions. Who knows maybe an angelic messanger could be said to be the reading of a letter after the persons passing that gave closure with something troubling. Demons could be the remains/effects on the people living/knowing the.... demonic in nature.

This is all in the thinking that we live in through the memories and shit we leave behind (debts/mementos), the angelic as opposed to being demonic could just be a way to get perspective on how you can effect those you leave behind when you die.

You likely have nothing to fear from the demons no matter how formidable or threatening they may appear. Demons cannot attach to anyone that has ever been associated with religion in any way, If you have been baptise'd or Saved which almost everyone has been baptised they dont want you, They dont want humans anyways but sometimes the inexperienced Lucid dreamer will conjure one up from hell and he dont want to go back, There are demons in every plane, The one we are associated with is the astral plane, Astral Demons are Violet, Wind demons are gray etc; Color coded, Black ones like I sometimes accidentally conjure up are from the lower dark place and even on lower into hell, For the most part they are harmless to you and me, Above all dont fear them. Mine have learned to keep a distance, There is much reading to be found by the people in the know on this stuff, Tibetan monks spend their lives contemplating it and will gladly share their knowledge so I dont have to rewrite the books I read.
If they bother you hang a picture of Christ on the Cross on the wall above your bed. Problem solved

Angels = Whiny, fair-haired babies.

Demons = The cool guys.

In my dreams, I seek the demons. They're fun to battle.

Originally Posted by Wolfwood

In my dreams, I seek the demons. They're fun to battle.

Those don't sound like very strong demons.

Originally Posted by shadowofwind

Those don't sound like very strong demons.

That is with one assuming the person doesn't like a challenge?

Indeed; on the contrary. I am impervious and invulnerable to everything thus far in my dreams -- despite what happens to my apparent form under attack. I never wake up whilst undergoing my own slaughter either: I reform, and engage again. I do not fear them, nor do I believe I can 'die'.... ultimately, therefore, I cannot lose.

What "Demon" Turned the replies red

A camp one.

Originally Posted by Wolfwood

I never wake up whilst undergoing my own slaughter either: I reform, and engage again. I do not fear them, nor do I believe I can 'die'.... ultimately, therefore, I cannot lose.

I find myself more on auto-pilot, moving more like Wesker



or even like Neo, pretty much to fast for anything to land any kind of an attack.

Generally its either a mass of undead or some kind of mutant ass person/creature trying to attack me.

I remember this alligator boar lookin thing that I'd killed, I remember killing it than all of a sudden I was in the dream again (right after i'd killed it) and it was chasing me again I realized nothing would happen so i let it come at me and all I saw was mouth and then darkness.

Was pretty interesting dying for once.

Sounds pretty cool... more fanciful and fun I imagine. Generally, I stand still and let myself be attacked or mutilated -- I find it's good for my dream control/stability. It also reinforces my power, for it shows through and through that I cannot die. It first started when I had the classic falling dream: I just hit the floor, stayed asleep. A moment of darkness and pain, and then I stood up from the floor. From then, it's been like this with everything in there.

Demons in my dreams..... are, well, unimaginably grotesque. Heh, unimaginable he says.

Originally Posted by Wolfwood

Sounds pretty cool... more fanciful and fun I imagine. Generally, I stand still and let myself be attacked or mutilated -- I find it's good for my dream control/stability. It also reinforces my power, for it shows through and through that I cannot die. It first started when I had the classic falling dream: I just hit the floor, stayed asleep. A moment of darkness and pain, and then I stood up from the floor. From then, it's been like this with everything in there.

Demons in my dreams..... are, well, unimaginably grotesque. Heh, unimaginable he says.

*shrugs* to be honest it kinda of gets old, like i said i'm on autopilot, so... no real lucidity. Was kind of cool at first, now its just old/boring :/

Would rather have some nicer dreams, more meaningful to me anyways.

I know what you mean but for me its sex, not fighting.

Originally Posted by Omnis Dei

I know what you mean but for me its sex, not fighting.

very rarely do i get one of those, when I do its more of the leading up to than the actual act, only had it once do i recall stuff happening