Thread: A few questions

Hey guys, I'm new to this forum and I'm curious about a few things.

I have been able to recall 3-5 dreams a night ever since I knew about LDing (learned 5 days ago) and I've been doing religious RCs daily. But I can't bring them into my dream and become lucid. It just doesn't happen, it never occurs to me to do it in the dream...Also, I've been attempting WILDs, using WBTB technique but not staying up too long (maybe 3 mins, drink apple juice, eat peanut butter, pee) and I can't fall back asleep! I relax myself from my toes up, I sink into my bed/pillow, recite my mantras, but I can't fall asleep/get into SP to transition into a LD. It's so frustrating! So I have to quit and just fall asleep normally...I've also read/heard to look at the back of your eyelids or into the darkness of when you're sleeping or whatever. But I do that, and it helps with the process but that fades within 5 seconds, I just start seeing out of my minds eye again and I have to keep manually transitioning from my mind's eye to my eyelids, and I can't keep focus.

Please help in any way shape or form, thank you!

EDIT: I just completed a nap where I tried to wild. Initially it took me a while to even feel tired, then my body became numb and I was in that state for awhile. But what occurred abut 3 times was: I felt my heart rate go up, and my body tingled drastically. I slipped out of this every time it happened, I think it was SP, but I'm not sure I was only experiencing that for about 4 seconds.

Snowboy: Sorry, I mean that by I do RCs often and well etc. Excuse me for misleading you.

1) It takes time for them to carry over into your dreams. Don't rush it. Also, what do you mean by "religious RCs"?

2) Any Vitamin B6 you may have eaten before you had gone to sleep may be keeping you up since it causes your brain to be more active.

3) Try to use a different method. What you're doing could potentially help with WILDs, but there are also other ways to keep awareness (try to keep a clear mind, count your breathing, &c).

Welcome to Dreamviews, and I hope I helped!

its only been five days, keep doing what you are doing and you will for sure have one

Alright thanks man!

Yea I know, I'm so impatient haha.

The RCing in relation to dreams will just take time and practice. Keep doing it and eventually it will translate. Don't worry so much and don't try to rush things. Your LDs will come. Just keep positive.

If you are seeing out of your mind's eye...that is a good thing. Looking at the darkness in your eyelids is just a step trying to get you to this >>>>> "seeing out of your mind's eye." Once you are doing that, you will start to slowly see your thoughts turn to scenes/images (usually blurry at first), but they will begin to clear up. Make sure you keep in the back of your mind that you are trying to WILD because here is where many people fall asleep normally. Just kick back, relax, and passively observe what your mind's eye has in store for you.

Those 4 second tingling/heart rate is SP starting/trying to kick in. It is Hypnagogic Pulsing (HP) (I made that term up, but that is what I call it, lol). It feels as if your body is pulsing with vibration/buzzing and your hearing is usually intensified during the pulse as well. If this is happening then you are good. Just stay relaxed and keep letting it pulse. Just feel for and anticipate that next pulse. After a bit of this, SP sinks in and you are now ready to prep for the transition. Stay calm and relaxed, and just let that pulsing takeover your body.

Good Luck!

Okay thanks again Yoshi,

how do I keep that HP going? It just fades out and I try really hard to keep it going but it just dies and I just become numb again. And what happens/what do I do if I start seeing (in my mind's eye) something other than what I'm trying to LD? That happens sometimes, I'll have my mind set on what I'm trying to dream about, and I'll imagine it, then I forget about imagining it and I think about something else.

Also, what do I do about not being able to fall asleep? I'm relaxed enough! I just can't do it!

Hmm...

Originally Posted by Ryder

Okay thanks again Yoshi,

how do I keep that HP going? It just fades out and I try really hard to keep it going but it just dies and I just become numb again. Ah, see that is the problem. With lucid dreaming, there isn't much that you should be trying really hard to do. You to just relax and let it pulse on its own. Don't force anything, just let it happen. Just follow along with the process in your mind. And what happens/what do I do if I start seeing (in my mind's eye) something other than what I'm trying to LD? That happens sometimes, I'll have my mind set on what I'm trying to dream about, and I'll imagine it, then I forget about imagining it and I think about something else. Well, that happens. HH/HI can't be fully controlled. If you want a articular scene, you have to imagine it at the end of the process when the dream is forming. Its ok to think of whatever, until then. Even if you get into a dream and it isn't where you want to be. You can always just travel to the scene place once your in the dream. I would just try to get into the dream first. Worry about where you want to be once you are there. You can always just change the dream scene once you are in the dream.

Also, what do I do about not being able to fall asleep? I'm relaxed enough! I just can't do it!

Well, you have to be tired. If you are performing WBTB and can't fall asleep, you should stay up for a shorter amount of time before attempting to WILD. If its during a nap, you should try and get less sleep the night before, so you will be able to fall asleep more easily during the day. If you aren't tried at all, its going to be hard to succeed at WILD, because it will be hard to fall asleep. Falling asleep during a WILD is like falling asleep any other time. You need to be at least a little tired, or it will be difficult (take a long time).

Okay thank you.

Its not that I'm not tired, I think I'm trying to focus too hard and that's keeping me up.

Also, I just woke up, I went to bed at 12:30am set my alarm for 5am 6am and 7:10am for wake up.
I took 300mg of vitamin B6 at about 11pm, and drank lots'o apple juice. But for some reason, unlike the
past few nights, I didn't recall my dreams? Does this happen often? Or should I be worried?

Nah, don't worry. Recall can fluctuate (even with a skilled dreamer). Just keep practicing and your recall will build up to where these lapses in recall are few and far between.

I am having the exact same problem you are having with sleep paralysis, I actually posted separate thread about it but Yoshi answered all of it in here. I always fall out of it after I get the tingling and the heart beats.

I'm still having problems with this, I'm not recalling dreams well, I can't even get myself to have SP start to kick in because I have too much Hypnogogic myoclonus. I ignore the jerks, like they have never happened, but I feel myself become unrelaxed and tense. And I realize that a hypnogogic jerk just occurred. And I jerk A LOT. So it's extremely frustrating and I jsut want to MOVE when I'm trying to WILD. Please helpppp.

If you are getting frustrated and want to move so badly that it is causing you to fail your WILDs...go ahead and move. When you become extremely uncomfortable, slowly roll over to a more comfortable position while keeping your eyes closed. Stay calm and relaxed the entire time and just act as if you never moved at all. Proceed with the WILD process. If you are so uncomfortable that you can't fall asleep, then you won't be able to WILD.

Okay thank you. But now I havent recalled a full dream for a week! Why is this? I don't understand I know dream recall fluctuates but I was remembering 3 dreams a night and it just stopped..

just a dryspell dont worry it happens all the time

Yeah, dry spells are common. Don't get discouraged, just keep at it! Your recall will return soon enough!

Do you have any suggestions on helping me to decide when and when not to lucid?
I really want to have a night's rest. Just 1 night Empty of lucids or watsoeva dreams.
1 night of waking up fresh, 1 night of closing and opening of eyes immediately sensation.
I'll be EXTREMELY thankful to whoever that will EVER be able to help me achieve 1 night of peace and quietness from dreams.
You're the pro of lucids right Yoshi? It gave me some hope when I realised such forums existed..I'm NOT ALONE.
If u can teach others how to start luciding, any ideas on how to reduce it a bit?
Don't think of anything before sleep was out, i tried that.
Ignore the dream? Never possible, once it begins, theres no stopping.
Quickly get over with the current dream that u're in and rest? No, I'll just wake and sleeping back will either cause it to cont or start a new 1.
HOW???

Originally Posted by Shinice

Do you have any suggestions on helping me to decide when and when not to lucid?
I really want to have a night's rest. Just 1 night Empty of lucids or watsoeva dreams.
1 night of waking up fresh, 1 night of closing and opening of eyes immediately sensation.
I'll be EXTREMELY thankful to whoever that will EVER be able to help me achieve 1 night of peace and quietness from dreams.
You're the pro of lucids right Yoshi? It gave me some hope when I realised such forums existed..I'm NOT ALONE.
If u can teach others how to start luciding, any ideas on how to reduce it a bit?
Don't think of anything before sleep was out, i tried that.
Ignore the dream? Never possible, once it begins, theres no stopping.
Quickly get over with the current dream that u're in and rest? No, I'll just wake and sleeping back will either cause it to cont or start a new 1.
HOW???

There are several medications/drugs that suppress REM sleep, but I wouldn't recommend taking them just to do so. If you want to get rest, just lay down and sleep within your lucid dream. Don't do any draining activities. Just pull out a blanket wherever you are and sleep within the dream. That is the only way I can think to help you out. I'm afraid I just don't have/know of any ways to stop dreaming that are healthy. You could get really wasted/black-out drunk one night, but you may have a killer hangover or puke/piss yourself (especially if you don't drink in the first place), lol. I don't recommend it.

But the prob is my GCs won't let me sleep while the 'daily dream routine' for that dream is waiting for me to complete it.
They'll say something lik 'How can you be sleeping here? Everyone's looking (and i really get that sensation). You're in the way, sleep at home..' or sth like that.
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