Meditation deserves its own forum or sub-forum?

[Bobblehat]

It's an interesting subject and there are many techniques and many experiences. Would be nice to have them all in one place, along with maybe some tutorials. [moved to Lounge so we can brainstorm this idea. -OpheliaBlue]

[RebelSeven]

I second this opinion, because meditation is such a broad and encompassing subject that can be highly individualistic!

[DreamyBear]

I totally agree with all that is said in and by this thread so far. And this is my vote for Bobbelhats great idea! I didnt think of this the first time I saw this threadd. But for everyone who also would like a sub-forum for Meditation. Please make you self known here with a little post to just say something or say that you agree to this idea. So this thread just doesnt vanish among all other daily new threads. Nothing will probably happen if there is only a handfull of people who want this. So make your vote here too, or post something to encourage the making of a new sub-forum for Meditation.

[AstralMango]

It's a good idea. There are different types of meditation and it's a great topic.

[mimihigurashi]

Great idea, definitely agree.

[Synergeon]

I agree. Meditation and lucid dreaming share many similiarities. I believe at advanced levels they're the same experience.

[Sageous]

^^ What he said. Given that so much of what we do to become lucid practically is meditation, that does seem a good idea, Bobblehat.

[dutchraptor]

I'm not sure, at the very least it should be given a trial run to see if there's sufficient interest.

[OpheliaBlue]

Keep in mind that this is a Lucid Dreaming forum, so the main ontopic forums are for dreaming and sleep. However I think it would be best suited as a subforum like you also mentioned.

[juroara]

Actually, I think it would be redundant. Take a look at the description for the Inner Sanctum. "meditation, auras, chakras, telepathy, psi, energy/Qi, ESP, remote viewing, precognition, new age spirituality, parapsychology and spiritual encounters." Sure, you can make a meditation subforum. But meditation discussions can quickly include all of the above. Which means we would have two subforums doing sorta the same sort of thing.

[OpheliaBlue]

Oh derp I forgot about Inner Sanctum. And I don't really know enough about meditation to make a decision as to whether or not meditation belongs in there or on its own. I mean, I thought it was just like brain yoga, and not a supernatural thing.

[NyxCC]

Perhaps we could take it out of inner sanctum and make it a subforum right next to it. meditation, auras, chakras, telepathy, psi, energy/Qi, ESP, remote viewing, precognition, new age spirituality, parapsychology and spiritual encounters." One doesn't have to be religious/spiritual to do meditation or believe in any phenomena. It is the odd word from the list here, pretty much the only thing proven to exist and that anybody can do right away (compared to TK, ESP). Some people may shy away from the inner sanctum subforum but may be more willing to read and learn about meditation if it isn't in the same place as the more exotic topics.

[OpheliaBlue]

That sounds pretty good to me NyxCC. That's totally doable if y'all don't think inner sanctum stuff would end up bleeding into a meditation subforum a lot.

[bemistaken]

I would like this forum/sub forum to exist!

[ThreeCat]

I agree with Nyx--meditation does seem slightly out of place in the above list. Also, many members seem interested in meditation but are not sure how to do it. I think that for the most part people wanting to meditate will be coming from on-topic (though I could be wrong about that), so that would theoretically keep discussions of paranormal subjects low or non-existent.

[Zoth]

If this forum comes to life, it's probably important to distinguish 3-4 terms that appear to be sometimes thrown around together like they are the same thing, and that end up rambling this bridge between lucid dreaming and meditation: - (Lucid) Awareness/self-awareness: the self-monitoring state that, in the context of a dream, we call "being lucid". - Mindfulness: in which ADA is based-upon, defines "being aware of the moment". - (Mindfulness) meditation: practice of mindfulness in the structured/"formal" context of meditation (many people practice mindfulness meditation to improve their mindfulness) - Meditation: practice/induction of a state of mind. There is room for misconceptions which can end up making the sub-forum of meditation all about self-awareness and mindfulness (aka, related to lucid dreaming), which would make it pretty redundant since there's so much talk about those concepts in lucid dreaming discussion/attaining lucidity.

[OpheliaBlue]

Good call Zoth. We survived the SP/REM Atonia poop-a-nanny so this should be a cake walk

[juroara]

Well, you can make your not-so-spiritual meditation subforum. But you can never actually separate the world of meditation from spirituality. Just saying, those topics will eventually make their way into the meditation forum. After all, a very popular form of meditation is chakra based meditation. Its all over youtube. Also, I think the inner sanctum needs to be revised. Its not very clear what its all about.

[OpheliaBlue]

Well, you can make your not-so-spiritual meditation subforum. I guess the same could be said about lucid dreaming in general, how to separate the scientific version of LDing from the spiritual version(s)?? And I 100% agree with what you said about Inner Sanctum, juoara. Besides general revision, I'm not really sure why it's in ED, while at the same time having a BD in the ontopics. I wasn't around when that got voted on. So I'm going to go ahead and move this thread into the Lounge. I don't know how many members view meta vs Lounge, but it seems like we'd get even more input about this decision here.

[juroara]

From what I remember, what happened was members were making spiritual related threads in the BD section. Even though those threads had nothing to do with dreaming. People didnt want to use the R/S forum because that place is just hell. So the compromise was the inner sanctum.

[OpheliaBlue]

Hmm. Thanks for the history there juroara. That helps me see the real issue: You know, I appreciate what they did there for a compromise. But is siphoning this way and that always the best solution, even if as a compromise? To me it seems like a ton of forums and subforums have been created just to appease a group of folks here and there. Don't get me wrong, I'd personally still like to see Meditation break away from Inner Sanctum. But it doesn't do anyone any good if we do it just because folks don't want to post in one subforum vs the other, simply because one is "just hell." Maybe it's time to vote and revise all the forums. Ideas?

[NyxCC]

Well, you can make your not-so-spiritual meditation subforum. But you can never actually separate the world of meditation from spirituality. Just saying, those topics will eventually make their way into the meditation forum. After all, a very popular form of meditation is chakra based meditation. Its all over youtube Perhaps some spiritual stuff will leak into meditation, but it will still be more practical than speaking about ghosts or telepathy. Don't see anything against chakra meditation being included there, after all it's a form of meditation. If one wants to use the point above the eyes (aka third eye chakra) as a focus point in meditation or visualize it, this doesn't necessarily mean it's becoming a supernatural topic. Lots of people use chakra points for wilding or OBE theory and techs for wilding even if they don't believe in them and we don't move it to Beyond dreaming. For me it is much easier to go to a separate forum to post or read about meditation rather that go sifting through all sorts of topics in IS. For example, I wanted to create a post a while ago about "meditation and your brain", was wondering where to put it and ended up in the Science subforum, which on that occasion fit much more than IS as I was citing from scientific papers and studies. Anyways, good idea from Ophie to move this to lounge to get more feedback from other members about creating this subforum and possibly some other forum rearrangement.

[Rozollo]

I may be volunteering for this, but I would love to see a stickied "Meditation 101" post where we cover myths, misconceptions, and how to get started with a list of online resources as well as finding local stuff.

[kadie]

Yes. Meditation as a sub-forum please.

[OpheliaBlue]

Seems like enough interest in this to start one. I'll make it after work.