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    Thread: Will you question your beliefs if it will shatter your world?

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      Will you question your beliefs if it will shatter your world?

      Does the truth means more to you or the comfort world you have built for yourself?

      If you had questioned your world, let it shatter and rebuilt it again, do you think you'll feel more formidable than ever? Or you wouldn't have the courage to start?

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      Yep bring it on.

      I have actually shattered my world before. Rebuilding took many many years. Does it leave me feeling formiddable? No. Just a bit isolated really. I have a view of the world that is only really conveyed via experience, not words.

      Would i do it again to get closer to the truth again? Yes.
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      I've shattered my world before. I finally admitted the truth to myself, and when I did, the fake world I had spent two decades building around me, crumbled. Would I do it again? If would start by having never lied to myself at all. Cause, the fake "comfy" world, wasn't what I needed.
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      I wouldn't say I hold many strong beliefs to start with. That is to say, there's really nothing I'm so passionate about that I'm willing to block out any and all information that threatens or disproves it. My mind is always open and I'm prepared to drop any views I currently have about the world for a better explanation. The truth is paramount, and I refuse to ignore it for the sake of upholding some sham concept of reality.

      I am an insignificant heap of molecules, subject to countless blind, indifferent forces acting out around me. I have no real control over my own fate. I could go from a life of relative happiness to an existence of hardship and despair at the drop of a hat. That is the reality of the world I have come to accept from personal experience. Life is volatile, unpredictable and uncaring. Perhaps things would be easier for me if I was to trick myself into believing some comforting, manufactured story about life, rather than accept the cold, hard truth of things. But regardless of how it makes me feel, the facts are the facts, and it would be foolish of me to argue against them. Intellectual honesty is the ultimate form of self-respect, and so I will always endeavor to be truthful with myself, however much pain it may bring.
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      To be honest - I don't know for sure.

      I drew up a worst case scenario in my head - something along the lines of me actually being in a coma after a car crash where my whole family died and our home got burned down while I was asleep. A bit extreme maybe, but, like I said, worst case scenario.
      Would I really want to wake up to that? I really don't know. I just don't know myself well enough to be sure how I would take something like that, or if I would even be able to go on.
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      It's cool. Once you change, you can't really continue to live in a fantasy world. It creates a horrible dissonance and leads to general unhappiness. Questioning is natural, forcing yourself to dispel these kind of thoughts is dangerous. You have to come to terms with the natural progression of your mind.

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      If you aren't willing to question your beliefs you become susceptible to a psychological illness which I believe the medical world refers to as being a major douche bag.
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      As long as I can understand something new and find it suitable for my schemata of conceptualizing this reality, I can easily question my beliefs.

      If one is too conservative with ideologies, looking for more alternatives, but not even considering and comparing your beliefs at all makes the whole endeavor pointless. If one actually has to stay true with their current beliefs for the sake of preventing "instability," at least understand what it is you're rejecting into your schemata.

      As for the part with the questioning possibly "shattering" your world, I feel that sends off a negative vibe to those who aren't as strong-willed as they think they are.

      An easy example for this is the people that I interact with on a daily basis:

      -I acknowledge peoples' existence, but I don't grow so attached to that belief where I become distracted of my own. I still am aware of my own existence, even if it's been through misconceptions and having realities skewed a bit, the only aspect of existence in this dimension that I’m sure of is myself.

      - I base this solipsistic applying on what I consider to be a "static" reality. If I were to focus on one person affecting my life for so long, I would find myself shifting accordingly to that attachment of this person causing some sort of motion in my decision-making.

      -But if I break or "shatter" it down, I realize that this person is not someone I can be 100% sure of that is responsible for my actions.

      -So this habit tends to go into a state of self-actualization, rather than being worried that "my" world is being shattered.

      So how do I really acknowledge my full potential?

      Simply because I have it engrained in my mind that retrospect is a powerful asset to learn what to do, and what not to do; having the desire to analyze what endeavors would be worth the investment of time to understand and benefit me.

      I believe that the choosing a certain choice may not imply free will to others, but because we're so predictable in our choices, the probability of us choosing what's favorable to us is higher.
      So in our reality, it might imply free-will to the person with a narrow scope of what they believe is reality, but in a broader sense (which I think has to be acknowledged at other levels of consciousness), it still sustains the implication of free-will, but it's based on probability and understanding how human beings think.

      The presumption of the action the person will take to cause this or that to happen itself is flawed because it sets a half-assed deterministic mindset on what that person will do. So having complete exercise of “free-will” is unlikely, but complete exercise of the probabilities given to you is something I think is much better to indulge in.

      Because the latter accepts that you focus on the reality you’re in, using common sense as a basis, but not the only source for development. While the former that implies complete exercise of free-will (which is highly unlikely) is idealistic hopes that are not able to sustain for very long.

      So the point I’m making here is:

      - If a belief that I’ve held as an a strong attachment to is something that has sustainability for long periods of time that acts accordingly to this reality; even if it’s delusional or flawed in itself, I will stick to it.

      - However at the same time, if I find something that creates better sustainability in the convictions, or something I can conform myself into that’s suitable to my desires, then I’ll reconsider it, and then question my beliefs; as long as I can understand the alternative to the best of my abilities, I see no fear in my world being “shattered,” when in fact the de-fragmenting prevents anxiety and speculating worst case scenarios.

      Fear of something being broken is merely an insecurity in not realizing how if you just use levelheadedness to interchange with understanding trends of reality and idealistic and positive intentions, the probability of the margin for error being low or high should not prevent me from potentially making mistakes in this life.

      Again, retrospect, in my opinion, combined with the desire to attempt to understand (meaning learning to unlearn what you believe in just for a moment to see the alternatives with practical thinking) are just two rudiments I’m sure of.

      Of course, I don’t think there’s such a thing as completely “unlearning” your beliefs, because there’s still the probability of mental filters skewing how you understand something. However, I use what I have, and I try my best to expand my options that give me more awareness to more probabilities of beliefs and actions that I can take and use in this reality.
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      I believe the world would be better if we strive to be proven wrong. I even made a thread about it, though not many people gave it notice.

      Also, I love you Heavy Sleeper. Make my babbys.
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      I meant to say that "people" would be better off. But stupid Dreamviews isn't letting me edit, yo.
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      Quote Originally Posted by OldSparta
      I murdered someone, there was bloody everywhere. On the walls, on my hands. The air smelled metallic, like iron. My mouth... tasted metallic, like iron. The floor was metallic, probably iron

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      Quote Originally Posted by Abra View Post
      I meant to say that "people" would be better off. But stupid Dreamviews isn't letting me edit, yo.
      http://www.dreamviews.com/f18/tempor...diting-138874/
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      i believe the truth is always important and i think everyone has the courage inside to face it and start again like a survival instinct

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      I would and have changed my moral values as part of self improvement. Before freshman year in college: I knew right and wrong and there was nothing in between, I was militantly pro-life in a self righteous way, and I was homophobic. By the time freshman year of college ended I was an open minded liberal with strong values in religious tolerance, live and let live, try not to judge others, accepting other sexual orientations. I was and am still Christian, and in some ways more so than before. My world view changed to recognizing and accepting shades of grey, doubt, different points of view that appear contradictory but may be false dichotomies. Yes, this change was empowering and I have never regretted it. Would I be willing to change that much again? I am not sure, to some extent it would be easier because I am more open minded and am changing throughout life, but to some extent as radical a change would be perhaps even impossible because it is not like I am likely to ever change to being close minded, and nowadays I appreciate slow and steady gradual change in my personality. Although I think this year has been a strong year for my personal self improvement, too.
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      I'm just a stupid human being with limited perceptual capability and equally poor comprehension skills in regards to the universe or whatever you'd like to call it. My beliefs change all the time because I "learn" all the time, or so I think. I couldn't keep a consistent world view even if I tried.
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      If something can shatter your world view, then it must be something pretty interesting and everything is worth learning if it proves interesting to you.

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      I am willing. But I also am suspicious about how much I mean that. Which is a good thing, if it results in me being more vigilant. Because bias and denial are pow-a-ful. And it's easy to pay lip service to The Truth. And investment is a hell of an drug.
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      Carrot, Wow! what a thread

      "Will you question your beliefs if it will shatter your world?"

      and all of (some) of my favourites posting too.

      (oldbill, blackbirdrising, *Heavy Sleeper, Ashadow700, Xox, Original Poster, Linkzelder, Abra, sleepysam, JoannaB, snoop, Alric and IndiAnthias) 13 interesting folk.

      For me it is more choosing a belief system.

      To come fully into a belief system to reap its full benifits means ... ummmm ...

      In 1977 I saw genuine miricles of healing. I held a cosmology of belief systems at that time. I needed to let that "cosmology" shatter to come into the fullness of new belief system.

      It was worth it to become a part of that signs-and-wonders move of God.

      Due to powerful synchronicities that began only 10 days ago I am choosing to do it again, like in 1977.

      You guys are saying brilliant things in this thread. I will be staying closely tuned-in.

      Thanx Carrot.

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      Quote Originally Posted by snoop View Post
      I'm just a stupid human being with limited perceptual capability and equally poor comprehension skills in regards to the universe or whatever you'd like to call it. My beliefs change all the time because I "learn" all the time, or so I think. I couldn't keep a consistent world view even if I tried.
      This is a very similar conclusion to what I have realised in the last week or so.( Just remove the word "stupid" )
      At first the realisation was a blow, but it is now a challenge to be more than what I am.

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      This just happened to me (and ended up leading me here). For most of my life I've been firmly atheist, completely open minded about everything except that. After some poking and prodding from the universe I began questioning this. Certain people came into my life, certain books fell into my lap, and about a year ago I woke up one morning and felt very different. I discovered spirituality and started following Thelema. A few hours later that day, I was laid off from my job. A few weeks later I found out I was pregnant, and had conceived on that day. A few more weeks, and I had my first lucid dream.

      It's disorienting to recognize almost nothing in my own life but I also feel more confident than I ever have before. I'm learning more and more about who I am and what I can do, and it's been worth the struggle.
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      I question my beliefs all the time now. I didn't used to, though. Now, I try not to get too consumed in my own beliefs because it just seems silly.

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      I question my beliefs all the time. These are the ones that always come through.
      1) Death. Death comes to all.
      2)New creation. Everything is broken and is being made new.
      3) Jesus' resurrection. Call me crazy, call me deluded, whatever.
      4)Everyone and everything is at the same time the most important thing in the universe and so insignificant as to not be there at all.

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