Thread: How to have an Instant WILD

couple of days ago i got into a good lucid and tried to do this from there. i stabilised it then tried to switch part of my attention back to my real body. i was careful and kept on restabilisng it so it felt like i could try waking up then going straight back into it to practice a wild. i managed this about four times by just visualising myself leaping of my roof and falling slightly then catching myself and flying when you get that falling feeling in the stomach. i think i was lying on my front for this, which seemed to make it alot easier to picture the motion of flying, but im not sure if i was aware of my real body or just another dream body.

later on though i realised that i was probably really just transporting myself right into a completely different place in the dream, from a normal lucid. or into a different dream from mini false awakenings.. doh. its so tricky because you dont want to stay awake for too long before you go back or you will lose it, but its hard to get a good reality check in in that gap. still its good progress in flying, teleporting into different part just through will and getting back to my house in my dreams to. i flew around in circles and just kept coming back to my body then going away again.

while i was doing each lap, i was completely changing the scenery back to a forest i was in earlier. never flown through the woods but it must have something to do with watching a programme on goshawks the other day. look for goshawk vids because theyre pretty amazing to watch weaing in and out. it was so much like having multiple obe's but its crazy how the mind can play tricks on you. was i awake? what is awake? cheers for all the help everyone, its going pretty well now. good luck all

I would try but am scared of the hallucinations. I can't stand sp as it is.

Originally Posted by Fedor

I would try but am scared of the hallucinations. I can't stand sp as it is.

i was 100% the same as you at first mate but its true how much easier it gets with time. the first tries i had were full of paranoia and fear but my last attempt was just like being tickled gently then standing up. i cant quite believe how much easier it gets, but it seems like the fear factor truely is just fear of the unknown. when it becomes more known to you, the fear just dissapears

I've read the chapter 2 and such, but now I don't wake up with dreams going off in my head. >< It seems as though the more I focus on trying to LD, the more my mind doesn't let me. I really don't know how to bypass all the mind games.

Interesting. I have to say, this looks promising and should go hand in hand with ADA nicely to make a two-pronged approach to lucidity. ADA for DILD, and this for WILD. I skimmed through the book last night and plan to go back to read and interpret specifics, but overall I'm interested.

This past night I realized I woke up after a dream and stayed perfectly still, and then after attempting some of the indirect techniques I tried to separate by rolling over, and it worked! I didn't follow the book's advised procedure exactly (I only skimmed!), but at least it seems to work, so I'll be sure to check it in depth today.

had some more good progress the other morning. got up for about an hour then went back to bed. this time i kept it extremely simple but it resulted in the most conscious wild so far. i just relaxed my body bit by bit and tried to keep my mind awake by focussing on hearing each individual car that went past in the distance. in previous attempts i have only become lucid after the dream has started, so there is always a gap but this was different. i was suddenly aware that i was in a dream after a tiny lapse in consciousness. however this time the dream had not started yet and the gap was so small that i was still lying on my bed.

i could tell the room was slightly different so had no need to rc. i remembered that all i had to do in this state was get up. as i did i became partially aware of my real body at the same time, and felt a little tingling as i was seperating. this may have caused problems in the past but i kept focus and just stood up on my bed. i didnt bother to llok for my real body because i didnt really expect to see anything. although its the closest to an obe ive had, it still just felt dreamlike so there didnt seem any point in testing anything out. it didnt last long, but was just so easy to pull off (apart from the years of practice of course). when it comes down to it, it really is just as simple as consciously relaxing your body and letting your mind do its own thing. so this couls still just have been dreaming about having an obe, but i think it was pretty much my first time going through what i think people describe as the phase? must just remember to do longer wbtbs and also to get as damn comfy as i was that morning.

since then there always seems to be something in my body which takes my attention, but that morning i was just so relaxed i could bring on the buzz so easily. its very odd though because ive been trying to do this for ages, and it was amazing and will get better with time, but for some reason im still an ungrateful sod... how come i am bringing such magic experiences into my life yet still cant really get excited about anything? perhaps its the whole not being able to share it with anyone aspect of it?

I watched the videos and downloaded the e-book. I really don't have much time these
days to read but I will hopefully get around to it. For now, I will attempt what I learned
from the videos on his site. If this works it could be quite interesting, and a lot easier
than lying in bed for 2 hours.

Originally Posted by Shadow27

I watched the videos and downloaded the e-book. I really don't have much time these
days to read but I will hopefully get around to it. For now, I will attempt what I learned
from the videos on his site. If this works it could be quite interesting, and a lot easier
than lying in bed for 2 hours.

yeah i really think people must waste so much time by trying to lie still for ages. the last attempt only took a few minutes, and if it doesnt work quickly then it probably wont work until you next wake up. this guys methods seem to be the most efficient for me at least

I was kinda scared or more just anxious when I first started but If you just relax and let it naturally happen there is really nothing to be afraid of. It is actually very enjoyable of an experience.

Can someone explain this forced back to sleep thing to me? I'm not quite sure how to do it.

Originally Posted by Shadow27

Can someone explain this forced back to sleep thing to me? I'm not quite sure how to do it.

Instead of focusing on you are going to get a lucid dream, you pretend that you are on that moment going to sleep.
So you close your eyes and think of nothing and try to go asleep, but you have in the back in your head still a memory of prevent yourself from falling asleep.
So like this: Try to go asleep, STOP yourself before you do. The hard thing is to stop yourself, but if you manage to do that, the images, sounds and so on comes easier and faster.

Oh I've done that before during wild attempts. I've found it quite effective.
Not quickly to sleep but I've drifted off to just on the edge then jumped back
to consciousness.

Originally Posted by Shadow27

Oh I've done that before during wild attempts. I've found it quite effective.
Not quickly to sleep but I've drifted off to just on the edge then jumped back
to consciousness.

Nice that's how it's done

Awesome

I've been trying this for four nights now without success.(The indirect method) I am constantly scrutinising my efforts and improving my approach. There are some very innovative ideas in the book, but Mr Radiga could do well to explain some of the ideas in more depth. Forced back to sleep, for example. The explanation of that is rushed and leaves one in doubt as to what it is, and how to do it.

I was interested to read that, in 20 percent of awakenings at night, we are not actually awake at all but dreaming (the book says that people often look round their bedroom and see the room without realising their eyes are actually shut!) I was thinking that this could be an induction method itself (for people who are lazy) - every time you wake up, do a nose pinch as soon as you can.

What's the difference between OBE and lucid dreams?

I believe that OBEs are just a specific type of lucid dream, thought some believe they are a different state.

I have a little trouble reading the book, his word of choice are too sophisticated for me to comprehend most of it, but I sort of get the idea. When you attempt the indirect technique, is it like a WBTB or is it anytime when you awoken from a sleep?
Also, the "Phantom wiggling", you're supposed to try to move your body parts without physically moving it right?

Ideally you do it after WBTB, but after a while when you have a experience you can switch to using it every awakening. With phantom wiggling you're supposed to try to move any body part without using muscles. You are supposed to start slowly and amplify the movement and then use the movement of that dream body to leave your real body.

I did my fifth night of attempts last night - three attempts within the night - and didn't achieve lucidity. There is still some fine tuning for me to do - I've now conditioned myself to wake up without moving but I still need to condition myself to start applying the techniques as soon as I wake up.

Originally Posted by Bobblehat

Ideally you do it after WBTB, but after a while when you have a experience you can switch to using it every awakening. With phantom wiggling you're supposed to try to move any body part without using muscles. You are supposed to start slowly and amplify the movement and then use the movement of that dream body to leave your real body.

I did my fifth night of attempts last night - three attempts within the night - and didn't achieve lucidity. There is still some fine tuning for me to do - I've now conditioned myself to wake up without moving but I still need to condition myself to start applying the techniques as soon as I wake up.

Youre kind of rephrasing what he said. When you wiggle part of your body without using muscles it's trying to move it in your mind right? Not physically move it?

Yes, I think that it is, but as I haven't had success yet I probably can't offer much guidance. Mcwillis has had success with the technique and started this thread so maybe you should ask him.

I've been trying this technique for seven days now and I'm nowhere near achieving lucidity with it. The two problems I'm having are:

1) I can't wake up without moving. By the time I'm aware I'm awake I've already moved.
2) By the time I'm awake enough to remember to apply Mr Raduga's techniques it's already too late.

Maybe I don't have an aptitude for this technique, but I'm seriously questioning how Mr Raduga arrives at his statistics. He claims that in the first five attempts the success rate is 50 percent, in the first 11-20 attempts the success rate is 90 percent. Does he mean that 90 percent of people who walk through the door for his courses achieve an LD? Or does he mean that 90 percent of people achieve an LD when they apply his techniques to the letter? Or, it could even mean that only one person has achieved lucidity in the group but is so prolifically achieving lucidity that it makes one learning group's statistics look more impressive than they really are? People have gone on his forum and said they are having difficulties and not achieving lucidity but Mr Raduga's usual response is to tell them they are not applying the techniques correctly (something I've put 100 percent effort into doing and it's very difficult. I'm beginning to doubt another of his claims that the average time for achieving lucidity with this is 1 to 3 days).

I, myself, could start up a "lucid dreaming school" and claim the success rate is an amazing 90 percent. But that would only be when you apply the techniques to the letter. But when you get to the course you find out that the technique is basically: You've got to ask yourself if you're dreaming when you're dreaming and do a nose pinch. And that would be where my 90 percent success rate came from - from the people who managed to follow that (very difficult) instruction to the letter. If anyone came on the course and complained that it was difficult to ask themselves if they were dreaming in a dream, then I could retort that they "aren't doing the technique properly" and exclude them from my statistics and base my final statistics on the people who managed to ask if they were dreaming.

Mr Raduga seems a good guy, and I'm a fair person and realise I can't fairly reach a conclusion about his results unless there are a number of people doing the same experiment as me, but I suspect Mr Raduga is "creatively interpreting" his statistics to make it look like the success rate with the techniques are better than they really are. I would like to see 50 people be taught the techniques and see how many of them, at the end of a month, have achieved lucidity with the technique and just how many lucid dreams each person has had.

EDIT: Another problem I forgot to mention is that there's not always an exact dividing line between being awake/being asleep (for anyone that doesn't know, you're supposed to apply the techiques the very moment you wake up). Mr Raduga doesn't mention this anywhere in his literature. In the early morning when I'm slumbering am I supposed to "interrupt" my slumber and do the techniques then, or wait until I'm "properly awake" (whatever that means) and do the techniques then? I have not seen Mr Raduga address this issue in his literature or videos and I cannot be the only one who has problems interpreting what specifically I'm supposed to do about the slumbering/awake problem. It's an obvious problem; his lack of attention to the issue makes me wonder if he has genuinely worked with people to help them overcome personal obstacles and achieve lucidity on a long term basis or whether he just generates attractive-looking statistics to make people go on his courses.

a few days ago I managed to hit the vibrational state and rolled myself
over without muscle movement. Then I opened my eyes to see if I was
actually on my stomach but I wasn't. I was on my back. I thought I failed
then got up and had a non-lucid. Now I know for next time though!

I had four LDs last night. I think these techniques were a factor in two of them (both FAs). The other two were DILDs. Will continue to experiment and report back with successes.

My question is, are the WILD's produced through this method exactly the same as a traditional WILD? By that I mean is the realism and stability as powerful as it is normally?