Quote Originally Posted by mcwillis View Post
I was a struggler too until I read both books several times. I must admit I was getting annoyed in the past because people weren't reading the book and expecting to be spoon fed but I have calmed down now. Ok, hold your arm out straight and move it up and down a few inches. You can feel your muscles extending and contracting, you can feel your arm working to defy the force of gravity. When I do the phantom wiggling I just imagine these feelings as if I am moving my physical arm. Often my physical arm will be perfectly still and my 'other' arm is moving freely as it has seperated from my physical arm.
Firstly, I perfectly undertand you. I like reading a lot (Hard copies) and also got annoyed when someone wanted to take advantage of that without the fuss of reading the book themselves.

In this case, however, as we're all strugglers and you seem to be an expert, it's very nice of you to take the trouble of explaining parts of the book, than, even when reading it, we fail to understand.

So I am bothering you again with some questions. One that I am most concerned about. Are you reading the ebook that can be downloaded from obe4u or the hard copy? Mine doesn't have this part:

Quote Originally Posted by mcwillis View Post
I am reading the workbook for the fourth time as I have been making mistakes and am analysing my actions to see where I am going wrong; and finding the answers! Please note it is the workbook and not the textbook. I am going to paste below an extract from the chapter entitled 'Extremely Important Advice'.

Quoting Mr. Raduga:

"If you veer off the path I have shown you, you'll be either completely depriving yourself of a rewarding experience, or at least making such an experience a very rare event. I often have to fight with one very strange aspect of human psychology: the desire to do things in one's own way in a field that one knows nothing about..........."
I've tried the 'search' button on the pdf but I lack the part I've underlined and coloured. And, what do you call the workbook and what the textbook?

There's something amiss here...

Next issue (sorry this is sooo long winded,,,!)

This is what my Index looks like:
Part 1................................................. .............................................5
Entering the Phase State............................................. ....................5
Chapter 1 – General Background........................................ ......5
Chapter 2 – Indirect Techniques........................................ .....17
Chapter 3 – Direct Techniques........................................ ........54
Chapter 4 – Becoming Conscious While Dreaming...............69
Chapter 5 – Non-autonomous Methods...................................79
Part II................................................ ............................................91
Managing the Out-of-Body Experience.......................................9 1
Chapter 6 - Deepening......................................... ....................91
Chapter 7 - Maintaining....................................... .................102
Chapter 8 - Primary skills............................................ ..........114
Chapter 9 - Translocation and Finding Objects.....................132
Chapter 10 - Application....................................... ................145
Part III............................................... .........................................165
Auxiliary Information....................................... .........................165
Chapter 11 – Useful Tips.............................................. .........165
Chapter 12 – Practitioners’ Experiences...............................172
Chapter 13 - Putting a Face on the Phenomenon..................197
Chapter 14 – Final Test.............................................. ...........204
Appendix.......................................... ..........................................214
That's why I hadn't notice the tip on page 40 as you told me.

Then, Training PHANTOM WIGGLING
Training
To train the technique of phantom wiggling, relax a hand
for several minutes while lying down, eyes closed. Then,
aggressively envision the following hand movements, without
moving any muscles, for two to three minutes each: rotating, updown,
left-right, extending the fingers and drawing the fingers
together, clenching and unclenching a fist. No sensations will
occur at first. Gradually, the sensation of muscular action will
become so apparent that the perceived movement will be
indistinguishable from real movement. During the first training
attempts, practitioners are often tempted to open their eyes to see
if actual movement is occurring – that’s how real the sensation
feels.
I told you about the success I had moving one finger when I woke up without moving, and also succesfull on Listening In.
In the Training, though, am I to feel the same? The ethereal body moving and feeling as if I was really moving??? 'Cause during training in waking hours, nothing moves, ever. If I did it being half-conscious, where I am failing at while fully conscious? (I keep my eyes closed all the time).

I'll read the book consciously from beginning to end, I promise. I am only concerned at this not being complete...

Thanks for your help!