Thread: How to have an Instant WILD

Originally Posted by vmenge

Visualization is something I won't be trying with other indirect techniques

Visualisation is one of the Secondary Indirect Techniques, page 26 of the textbook. Mr. Raduga suggests not to dismiss certain techniques as they don't work for you. In time they may later be of immense value to you

Originally Posted by vmenge
Well, I haven't finished reading the book, but training the Phantom Wiggling technique (what a silly name ) after a while of trying to move my imaginary finger I felt as though my finger just touched the palm of my hand, except I wasn't moving it
This is something that happens to me a LOT when I'm really sleepy and imagining things in my mind. Once I imagined I was wearing glasses and I felt something behind my ear, which made me open my eyes and stand up real abruptly

It only happens when you're sleepy or also when you're training fully conscious?

Originally Posted by mcwillis

The strangest thing I've experienced so far is something hitting me on the head!

Spooky, right?

But hey, guys. Nothing is happening to me during the training of the technique...some 'pins and needles' sensation, and nothing else. Should I go on? I usually get distracted after trying for a while and not getting anywhere.

After my first attempt successupon awakening! What a shame!

mcwillis:Thanks for the info. I didn't have 'The Ultimate Yoga...' Was just being dumb

Originally Posted by BridgetJones09

Spooky, right?

I didn't experience it as being spooky as I knew it was just a hynogogic/hynopompic phenomena.

Originally Posted by BridgetJones09

But hey, guys. Nothing is happening to me during the training of the technique...some 'pins and needles' sensation, and nothing else. Should I go on? I usually get distracted after trying for a while and not getting anywhere.

Don't expect any experience whilst practicing Indirect Techniques. All you are doing is just that, practicing, ready for when you use them upon awakening. You need to know what you are going to do when you awaken with a clear cut plan. That is all.

Originally Posted by BridgetJones09

It only happens when you're sleepy or also when you're training fully conscious?

Sleepy I guess... but I'm sleepy during 90% of my day so I guess it counts as sort of conscious?

Originally Posted by BridgetJones09

In this case, however, as we're all strugglers and you seem to be an expert, it's very nice of you to take the trouble of explaining parts of the book, than, even when reading it, we fail to understand.

I'm not an expert! Mr. Raduga is an expert. I have only come to understand through study and practice.

Originally Posted by BridgetJones09

I've tried the 'search' button on the pdf but I lack the part I've underlined and coloured. And, what do you call the workbook and what the textbook?

This is the download link which has a folder of both books

The textbook is 'School of ...'
The workbook is 'Ultimate yoga ...'

Thanks for the flower!

Originally Posted by mcwillis

I'm not an expert! Mr. Raduga is an expert. I have only come to understand through study and practice.

I think we understand that, it's just, for my part, some things aren't in the book like when I asked you if you were supposed to feel your hand physically tense up. Anyhow, I'm going pretty good now, I'm going to (hopefully) have a REAL night of attempts tonight, and I'll post my results here with no questions unless I've first looked them up in the book I promise

Well I for one have still had no success >< I have no time to try this on weekdays, and last weekend I had to take my mom to the airport at 5:30 a.m. so was tired to the point of exhaustion all day. I tried to go to bed early, but all I did was have various times I woke up and just rolled over to sleep-in. I need some advice on how to proceed with my situation, or should I just continue as I'm doing now? Thanks.

Originally Posted by Sarge_Maximus2

Well I for one have still had no success >< I have no time to try this on weekdays, and last weekend I had to take my mom to the airport at 5:30 a.m. so was tired to the point of exhaustion all day. I tried to go to bed early, but all I did was have various times I woke up and just rolled over to sleep-in. I need some advice on how to proceed with my situation, or should I just continue as I'm doing now? Thanks.

Some of us don't have the luxury of being able to do this during the week so weekends are your best chance. How are you training yourself to awaken without moving? How much sleep are you getting before waking up in the morning? How long are you staying awake before going back to bed to use the Indirect Techniques? How many Indirect Techniques have you chosen for a cycle to be used when you wake up? How many cycles of Indirect Techniques do you do even though you roll over?

Originally Posted by mcwillis

Some of us don't have the luxury of being able to do this during the week so weekends are your best chance. How are you training yourself to awaken without moving? How much sleep are you getting before waking up in the morning? How long are you staying awake before going back to bed to use the Indirect Techniques? How many Indirect Techniques have you chosen for a cycle to be used when you wake up? How many cycles of Indirect Techniques do you do even though you roll over?

I know what you mean. But to answer your questions:
I havn't been training myself, I've just been trying to keep it in mind, which seemed to work for me when I was using Crazyinsane's method. I am getting 6 hours of sleep before hand. I am staying awake on average of 0.50 - 10 minutes. I have 3 techniques to cycle: Straining the brain, phantom wiggling, and internal listening. I usually can do two but I've done all three and even looped the process a couple of times. Thanks again.

Originally Posted by Sarge_Maximus2

I know what you mean. But to answer your questions:
I havn't been training myself, I've just been trying to keep it in mind, which seemed to work for me when I was using Crazyinsane's method. I am getting 6 hours of sleep before hand. I am staying awake on average of 0.50 - 10 minutes. I have 3 techniques to cycle: Straining the brain, phantom wiggling, and internal listening. I usually can do two but I've done all three and even looped the process a couple of times. Thanks again.

I can see immediately that when you say that you even looped the process a couple of times you are saying that it was an accomplishment. The cyling of the three techniques you have chosen is vital. A minimum of four cycles is needed. If after five you cycles you don't succeed go back to sleep and go through the process again at your next natural awakening. Also experiment with the other Indirect Techniques as they may be very valuable for you.

Originally Posted by mcwillis

I can see immediately that when you say that you even looped the process a couple of times you are saying that it was an accomplishment. The cyling of the three techniques you have chosen is vital. A minimum of four cycles is needed. If after five you cycles you don't succeed go back to sleep and go through the process again at your next natural awakening. Also experiment with the other Indirect Techniques as they may be very valuable for you.

Alright, thanks. Also, (and just let me know if this is in the book) but how do you lucid dream instead of OBE using these techniques?

Four days ago I had a really cool experience. I woke up and rolled over to check the emails on my ipod, part of the email was coherent, but most was jibberish. I rolled back over to sleep some more, then realized that I hadn't moved. By the time i realized this I was too awake and moved my actual body. It was really cool though, and felt so real and clear, like belatrix18 said.

Originally Posted by mcguinnessdr

Four days ago I had a really cool experience. I woke up and rolled over to check the emails on my ipod, part of the email was coherent, but most was jibberish. I rolled back over to sleep some more, then realized that I hadn't moved. By the time i realized this I was too awake and moved my actual body. It was really cool though, and felt so real and clear, like belatrix18 said.

Yes this can be quite common.

Well, after 6 nights trying to wake up without moving, I got as close as I could today. I had a terrible traumatizing nightmare, and woke up without moving. Then as I felt relief I don't remember it quite, but I thought I either opened my eyes or moved, and instantly reminded myself I shouldn't have. Oh well...
But then I closed my eyes and tried to get my body to move along the Rotation indirect technique. Weirdly enough I felt it work even though the sensation I felt was that I was rocking my body back and forth (go figure). After 3 seconds I tried changing to the Listening In indirect technique, but then I heard my computer fan and that ruined it for me completely. So close

edit: corrected terrible grammar wow

Originally Posted by vmenge

Well, after 6 nights trying to wake up without moving, I got as close as I could today. I had a terrible traumatizing nightmare, and woke up without moving. Then as I felt relief I don't remember it quite, but I thought I either opened my eyes or moved, and instantly reminded myself I shouldn't have. Oh well...
But then I closed my eyes and trying to get my body to move along the Rotation indirect technique. Weirdly enough I felt it work even though the sensation I felt was that I was rocking my body back and forth (go figure). After 3 seconds I tried changing to the Listening In indirect technique, but then I heard my computer fan and that ruined it for me completely. So close

A little movement doesn't necessarily mean failure, it just greatly reduces your chance of success. If you felt phantom movement you are nearly there. Did you awakwen naturally or did you use an alarm? I ask this as you say your computer was on and I used my laptop as an alarm system but I found out that using an alarm is highly detrimental. Mr. Raduga says using an alarm reduces your chance of success by 50-75%.

Originally Posted by mcwillis

A little movement doesn't necessarily mean failure, it just greatly reduces your chance of success. If you felt phantom movement you are nearly there. Did you awakwen naturally or did you use an alarm? I ask this as you say your computer was on and I used my laptop as an alarm system but I found out that using an alarm is highly detrimental. Mr. Raduga says using an alarm reduces your chance of success by 50-75%.

Every attempt I made at trying to wake up and not moving was done without any alarm of sorts, I've read about what Raduga said about using an alarm in a post of yours before I started trying his methods (well, I'm pretty sure it was a post of yours, but I may be wrong)
Well, hopefully I'll have better luck tonight

Well thank you. It's not that I'm not trying to though, it's that I fall asleep mid-way. Anyhow, I can only assume it's because I'm, tired from work and should therefore try it on the weekend, which is now. I'll do as it says and let you know what happens.

Originally Posted by Sarge_Maximus2

Well thank you. It's not that I'm not trying to though, it's that I fall asleep mid-way. Anyhow, I can only assume it's because I'm, tired from work and should therefore try it on the weekend, which is now. I'll do as it says and let you know what happens.

I intend to improve so that I can have several lucids each week in the morning and also at the end or REM periods at night too. I had the same problem when I started as I fell asleep before completing one cycle of four or five techniques. I had to force myself to be more aggresive and overcome the sneaky desire to go back to sleep again.

Originally Posted by mcwillis

I intend to improve so that I can have several lucids each week in the morning and also at the end or REM periods at night too. I had the same problem when I started as I fell asleep before completing one cycle of four or five techniques. I had to force myself to be more aggresive and overcome the sneaky desire to go back to sleep again.

A wise policy lol, and good idea, your goals and mine are quite similar, I also want to explore OBE's to see if they are real and how real they are as well.

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Originally Posted by Raspberry

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What does that mean please?

Oh, I just making a post to subscribe to the thread To stick it in my control panel.

I got the ebook, but it seems to have disappeared from my files so I'm getting it again. I haven't read it all, or understood all that I've read, but as you said: I'll need to study it more.

So no luck this morning, but I stayed up late again. I had non-stop dreams though and they wouldn't stop even when I was groggily awake. I gave up after falling alseep and waking up again three times within 30 minutes. I must have been disturbed with something because that was an odd bit of lousy sleep. Will try again tonight.

Unfortunately I'm having some serious troubles getting myself to wake up without moving. By the time I remember myself I wasn't suppose to move, I've already screwed up considerably.
I usually go to sleep telling myself to not move once I wake up, should I be doing this during the day to? Any tips?

Originally Posted by vmenge

Unfortunately I'm having some serious troubles getting myself to wake up without moving. By the time I remember myself I wasn't suppose to move, I've already screwed up considerably.
I usually go to sleep telling myself to not move once I wake up, should I be doing this during the day to? Any tips?

Keep at it, it will work. I find it very easy when napping in the day but a little harder after WBTB. My auto-suggestion is this, "When I wake up I will remain perfectly still and practice Indirect Techniques"