Thread: Let's get these things straight first.

I'll provide my input.

1. I don't think it matters that much.
2. Since you're getting visual input, you're seeing things (even somewhat) as if you were awake, increasing brain activity. This might be interpreted by your brain as "I'm not asleep, because I'm still seeing things". I think it matters quite a bit.
3. It's possible, but it's very difficult. If you are extremely tired you can have a REM rebound, which can throw you right into REM. However, you still have to relax a fair bit which can be hard for some people. Then again, for some, this is the only way they can WILD.
4. I can definitely say that WBTB helps. Doing simple math problems or simply walking around and doing a reality check helps to turn the logical and "conscious" part of your brain on, so when you go back to sleep it'll keep firing for a while, therefore increasing the chances of becoming lucid.
5. No, it doesn't. I've entered SP a few times even though I swallowed. You just have to let it automatically happen and try not to choke.
6. Again, no. I once went to bed and entered SP within a matter of minutes, just because I was super tired and relaxed. As for physical movements, I don't think it'll matter that much as long as you don't keep repositioning yourself. Just being comfortable should work.
7. Definitely not. "Thinking about dreaming will prevent you from WILDing successfully" can also be rephrased as "doing MILD while awake will prevent you from WILDing." For many people, that's not the case.

Thanks! When I have collected the opinion of about 10 people, I'll consider which answers occur the most and post it as a conclusion in my OP
so keep posting people!

Puffin is right. The only thing I disagree with is that thinking about WILDing during a WILD causes me to fail a WILD.

Ok i know that puffin already talked ( MINNIE ME!!!!)
(3.) first of all u definitly can not WILD right when u are going to bed for the first time. u have to set ur alarm clock 5-7 hrs after u went to bed (5-7 depending on u )
(5.) second, swalowing shouldnt interfear with a WILD, unless u just keep on thinking about it. But something iv heard is that u can cut the waiting. U just set ur alarm to go off for a little bit (about 30 sec) then since u dont have to get up to turn it off. Most imortantly DONT MOVE!, if what iv heard is correct: ur body will just think it is a minor flutter and go back to sleep after about 2 min.
(6.) third, yes u do have to stay still for a while, i dont think u have start all over again as long as u dont focus on it. Which is pretty hard since once u thaught of it u think of it...
(7.) Lastly!!!!
not sure...
oh yea i found these cool faces and i want to try 1: damn...

thanks! keep them coming, people!
so you agree with puffin for question 1, 2 and 4?

no, sorry man i just dont know the answer to 1,2, and 4
-another thing-:

allright, no problem.
can't put the answers in OP anymore, let's just wait until we have more opinions and make a new thread.

Originally Posted by stuf

Ok i know that puffin already talked ( MINNIE ME!!!!)
(3.) first of all u definitly can not WILD right when u are going to bed for the first time. u have to set ur alarm clock 5-7 hrs after u went to bed (5-7 depending on u )
(5.) second, swalowing shouldnt interfear with a WILD, unless u just keep on thinking about it. But something iv heard is that u can cut the waiting. U just set ur alarm to go off for a little bit (about 30 sec) then since u dont have to get up to turn it off. Most imortantly DONT MOVE!, if what iv heard is correct: ur body will just think it is a minor flutter and go back to sleep after about 2 min.
(6.) third, yes u do have to stay still for a while, i dont think u have start all over again as long as u dont focus on it. Which is pretty hard since once u thaught of it u think of it...
(7.) Lastly!!!!
not sure...
oh yea i found these cool faces and i want to try 1: damn...

while you are right about the possible increased difficulty in such tasks as wilding straight away, it is mostly your belief that it cant happen that makes it so hard the rem state can be induced by experienced (lucky gits) people

1. To what extent does aural input interfere with getting into SP consciously (WILDing)?
I don't think very much, to be honest. I rarely WILD in complete silence, and there have been plenty of times it's been straight-up noisy. I think it's easier to WILD with distractions the more tired you are.
2. To what extent does visual input (even with your eyes closed - flashing lights etc) interfere with getting into SP consciously (WILDing)?
Not very sure on this one. Do you expect to be sleeping in a room with strobe lights? I know a consistently bright light doesn't make any difference (unless it's excessive), but I have no experience of a flashing light so strong that you'd notice it though your eyelids.
3.You can't WILD when you would normally go to sleep - you don't enter REM immediately.
Well, almost all dreaming occurs in REM sleep- but that is almost all, so I don't think it'd be impossible, but I definitely wouldn't recommend it, why make it hard on yourself when you could WILD later into the sleep cycle? This is slightly different when you've been deprived REM sleep for some reason- say excessive boozing. In that case, WILDs are doable right as you go to bed.
4. If you perform WBTB and then go back to sleep regularly, chances you will have a DILD will increase.
Annoyingly, I can't find a link to the actual study, but I read it somewhere. Some research done (I think by LaBerge) indicated a 60% increase in the chances of a lucid dream occurring after going to sleep normally after a WBTB. Also, I'm not completely sure it was 60%, but there was a significant increase anyway.
5. Swallowing does not interfere with getting into SP - it's a naturally process that your body will keep track of even when you're asleep.
I don't think it's that big an issue. Just swallowing when you need to and not concerning yourself with it probably doesn't make a difference to the WILD attempt.
6. To reach SP, you will have to lay completely still for a certain time. Even when you make the slightest movement, you'll have to start all over again.
Disagree. There is no "certain time". It varies depending on tiredness, level of relaxation and probably other things. It's also not essential to remain completely still. Getting relaxed then switching to a more comfortable position doesn't send you back to square one.
7. Thinking about dreaming will prevent you from WILDing successfully.
Course not!

Hope this helped!

1. The more you think about it, the harder it is to hit SP/HH.

2. See above.

3. At the beginning of the night it can be very hard to start dreaming. However, if you try to do it right before a REM cycle, then you have a high chance of hitting a lucid dream. Certain for a normal dream.

4. It does, especially if you try to maintain consciousness without hitting SP/HH. I don't think that method has a name yet. I have nothing to back it up nor can I elaborate on the topic easily, all I know is that it helps.

5. Correct!

6. Correct! (if you exclude swallowing as movement)

7. Meh. If you think about it a lot it will definitely inhibit your chances of hitting SP/HH alongside other types of thinking. Light thinking shouldn't hurt too much, but it's best to keep the mind clear as possible.

I hope I helped!