^^ Thanks for sharing, Louai; interesting stuff! It is an amazing thing to understand the potentials for LD'ing -- and remember, in no time at all you'll be chaining DEILD's so the experience of anything you can imagine might go on for far more than an hour, right?
Sydney:
Originally Posted by Sydney
I stayed up for 20 mins in WBTB like usual (read my dream journal this time). I layed back down in a comfortable position, and relaxed my body a bit. Then I immediately began focusing on my mantra and, instead of the fan noise, focused on a sound close to my right ear, which could have been the blood rushing in my ears (or the wind from the fan blowing around my ears, who knows).
I focused directly on that. I tried not to think about my physical body. (I'm sort of proud of myself, because my foot began to ache after a while, and, I didn't move it, I just focused more on the mantra/sound. ) Sometimes my mind would wander for a couple seconds, but then I would gently bring it back to focusing on my mantra and sound beside my ear. At different times, I would imagine myself becoming lucid - remembering the emotions - and thinking up the goals I wanted to achieve and I would "act it out". I did this several times.
Getting further and further into the WILD, my mind-wanderings started to become more dreamy-like, illogical.
And suddenly, it was like I was never aware in the first place. At some point I totally lost consciousness. It was like; I was aware, and then I wasn't.
Do you think I could have lost focus and just didn't remember it?
Nice work, Sydney! Yes, you probably just lost focus and fell asleep, which can and will happen to the best of us (more regularly than we admit, BTW). I would record this one as a minor success, because you did everything right and had your head in the right place, but this just wasn't the dive.
WILD tends to be a gradual climb, and, by being patient and not paying too much attention to the noise, you have climbed one more step. Keep at it; you're nearing the top!
GDreamer:
Originally Posted by GDreamer
First of all I want to say that my main gate in wild to the dream is SP(REM ATONIA) and I know that is wrong, but now this is the only thing that works for me, or lets say this is the easiest way to wtbt)wild for me.
So always when I try . I wander with my thoughts , always with enough lucidity to get back into full lucid state after hypnagogic imagery.
It comes very quickly , in 5-10 minutes. Then the noise(the paralysis) come , it only can be heard for a moment, then again it comes now for a longer moment , and then it just stop. And it doesnt come again. Now after this the next things happen.
I have pains in my leg ,sensations that I got to turn to the other side, my hands start to have pain also, and I start to itch on random points on my body . And all becomes very uncomfortable ,my time sense drops and a minute seems to be like 10 minute.
At this point I give up...
What did I done wrong and how to relax to bring back the REM atonia?
Though I obviously do not agree with focusing on the noise, I can respect your use of it if it works for you. However, it seems to me that your dive may have been interrupted by yet more possibly avoidable noise... Two things come to mind about this:
The first thing was that your body was simply having a reaction to some physical event. I couldn't imagine what caused the pain and itching -- it could have been anything, really -- but when something physical like this happens to the point where your body wakes you up fully and pulls you out of your WILD, it is very likely time to abandon that attempt. I would probably have gotten up, maybe done some stretching (and scratching ), had some water (dehydration can cause leg cramps and itching), strolled around a bit, and then tried again. Who knows? it could have been a temporary issue (perhaps just a rollover urge gone wrong), and your next attempt might happen without incident.
But then I had another thought. If you were truly in REM Atonia, then you were also, by definition, asleep. You should not have been able to feel the pain or itch; at least not significantly, anyway, unless it was something serious. So, there is a chance that this stuff was more HI supplied to you by a very unhelpful unconscious. This is probably not the case (you more likely simply woke up and then felt the physical sensations), but if it happens again you might try to do your best to continue forming your dream for a few minutes as if the pain or itch were not there. Then, if it was just HI, it will pass and you'll be back among the more familiar sensations that guide you to your dream.
tl;dr: Your body likely doomed this attempt with its physical activity, but just in case it's HI, you might try continuing your dive giving the sensations as little mind as possible. If/when it becomes obvious the sensations are real, it might just be a matter of getting up for a few minutes to shake off the pain and itch, and get back to work.
Thanks for sharing, guys; good luck with your next dives!
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