Thread: What happened? Post Your WILD Attempts, Good or Bad, Here

WILD is about dreaming, and not about the stuff that comes with the process. If you try to keep your mind on your upcoming dream, you might find yourself sticking with that process a bit longer: by reminding yourself that the dream is the most important part of the process, you might feel more inclined to finish your WILD by getting to it.

Finally, keep in mind also that when you are LD'ing you are also sleeping, so your night's sleep will be the same whether you are LD'ing or not. Given that, why not continue your dive, and do so under the very helpful assumption
that it will take just as long to get to sleep attempting to WILD as it would just going to sleep? (it generally does, BTW)

I have read many of your post, but you truly made my antenna go up with these statements about WILD. No matter how many WILDs I may have, no matter how many times I read your post, no matter how many times I read the tutorials, I ALWAYS learn something new that you would think I should have already known...you are truly the one and only SAGEOUS!

I had a very vivid and 'being there' LD! YUSS!!!

I woke up after like 6 hours off sleep, and did my usual 2 hour wbtb (while listening to music. My best wbtb is like this). I then laid down and started visualizing, imagining, and getting lost in my imagination. It's how I always do WILDs. I don't do them like a straight continuous dive of consciousness. I'm still not that good. The trick I use, which works wonders for me, is to just sleep regularly while wilding, allowing myself to move and do as I like. I put the intention to be aware when the dream staryts to form, so while I start falling asleep, lost in my visualization, the dream starts to form. Here I would be half conscious. I usually notice and remember after a couple minutes of the dream's formation. I should note that this does train me for regular wild too. I am noticing huge improvement in how long lasting my awareness is getting during the dive, even if it's not strong enough to do a full dive yet on it's own.

Here I was in a hallway, and then I noticed the dream had formed already. I kept calm, and the void didn't get me
I then started trying to spawn an anime girl. It didn't work. I even said "behind the corner she will be on the computer", and when I turned, only the computer was there
I then saw a girl, so I kissed here, but she wasn't getting it. I was like "c'mon c'mon get into the mood!", ythen she did, but she told me to close the door first. The weird part is that while closing the door, I got stuck. It's like the dream crashed, and I woke up after a second. Talk about bad timing
Anyways I tried DEILD by imagining ,myself rolling over. The sense of rolling over began, and it was strong, but the dream didn't form. After a minute of this, the sensation wore off. I guess I genuinely hit the end of the REM cycle.
The important part is that it was a very strong LD! Vivid strong vision and awareness and 'being there'!

Yeah me! lol

Finally, seeing the possibilities

I have to say though, I recall my recall of it being much much better this morning then now. I remember how detailed and 'in there' and aware I recalled it this morning. My recall of it is less realistic now. But this doesn't matter at all. This is just a dream recalling issue. I'm glad I got the mechanics of the LD to be strong. O/c dream recall is a part of this, but it's the least part I worry about.
O/c I'll keep training my recall more and more. I'm getting better and stronger dreams and LDs with more training. I was just worried that I might have a low limit that I might not pass. Well, now I'm not worrying so much about it. It's time to go full speed again!

Great progress, glad to read you had a wonderful "being there" LD, which I know you've been concerned about for a while. So now you know you can have them, so they're probably all going to be great from here on out!

Originally Posted by FryingMan

Great progress, glad to read you had a wonderful "being there" LD, which I know you've been concerned about for a while. So now you know you can have them, so they're probably all going to be great from here on out!

Thnx!
I did have a few strong LDs before, but I think now that with more training and sleep cycle knowledge, I will get more of these strong LDs AND recall them fully for a long time. O/c the recall part requires years of training for it to be 'fully', but I'm ready.
Now I know I'm capable for strong frequent LDs, so it's time to get back to proper practicing!

Will attempt one tonight. I have tried doing so for the past 2 days and i had problems like not relaxing or falling asleep, but i'm trying to fix those with my 3rd attempt this time.
I still have some fear for SP, but i'll try ignoring it if it ever happens. I will come back to report on what happens and will ask some questions to my problems as they happen. Lets just hope this time i get it right!

The method i'll try involves visualization, i'll ask a question ahead of the attempt: How do i use an anchor while visualizing? or is visualizing an anchor by itself?

^^ Welcome, TDHXIII; hopefully your third attempt will be the charm!

In my mind visualization is very different from an anchor, but the two are quite compatible. In other words, visualize away, but hang onto your anchor (an anchor in my mind is a mantra, but it can be something else, depending what technique you are employing to attempt your WILD's). This can be as simple as continuing to repeat your mantra as you begin visualizing your dream (or your route to it). It is a good idea to have your mantra relate directly to whatever you are visualizing. For instance, if you are visualizing a dream, say, on a deserted beach under swaying palms, your mantra could be "See the Palms."

How are they different? A mantra is a point of focus, an arrow that you point in the direction of the dream, and whose trajectory you follow throughout the WILD dive. It is precise, singular, and as simple as possible. Visualization, on the other hand, is a wide cast of your imagination that results in as close to complete a picture as you can conjure of the place you wish to be in your dream -- and possibly in the dream itself. The global nature of visualization is, therefore, much different than the precise nature of a mantra/anchor, and because visualization tends to form a general backdrop, often a backdrop lying just over your perceptual horizon, it tends to make a lousy arrow. This is true, oddly, even if you are just visualizing a single object around which you hope a dream might form (not a bad plan, BTW), because even that single visualized object represents a backdrop of where you want to be, as opposed to a mantra, which represents where you are, and where you are heading (toward that backdrop).

That last bit sort of shows how the two might work together: A mantra's arrow can point you toward the visualization you have formed, keeping you on course through the rough spot (like losing self-awareness, and noise) that can occur on the path to a realized visualization.

Good luck with #3 (and, of course, #4)!

Originally Posted by Sageous

^^ Welcome, TDHXIII; hopefully your third attempt will be the charm!

In my mind visualization is very different from an anchor, but the two are quite compatible. In other words, visualize away, but hang onto your anchor (an anchor in my mind is a mantra, but it can be something else, depending what technique you are employing to attempt your WILD's). This can be as simple as continuing to repeat your mantra as you begin visualizing your dream (or your route to it). It is a good idea to have your mantra relate directly to whatever you are visualizing. For instance, if you are visualizing a dream, say, on a deserted beach under swaying palms, your mantra could be "See the Palms."

How are they different? A mantra is a point of focus, an arrow that you point in the direction of the dream, and whose trajectory you follow throughout the WILD dive. It is precise, singular, and as simple as possible. Visualization, on the other hand, is a wide cast of your imagination that results in as close to complete a picture as you can conjure of the place you wish to be in your dream -- and possibly in the dream itself. The global nature of visualization is, therefore, much different than the precise nature of a mantra/anchor, and because visualization tends to form a general backdrop, often a backdrop lying just over your perceptual horizon, it tends to make a lousy arrow. This is true, oddly, even if you are just visualizing a single object around which you hope a dream might form (not a bad plan, BTW), because even that single visualized object represents a backdrop of where you want to be, as opposed to a mantra, which represents where you are, and where you are heading (toward that backdrop).

That last bit sort of shows how the two might work together: A mantra's arrow can point you toward the visualization you have formed, keeping you on course through the rough spot (like losing self-awareness, and noise) that can occur on the path to a realized visualization.

Good luck with #3 (and, of course, #4)!

I experienced some crazy stuff last night, i call it success because i'm one more step closer to achieving WILD, though i'm not sure what actually happened.
I ended up following the traditional WILD method (lay down relax and use an anchor). After maybe like 15 minutes my heart pulse suddenly got up and my eyes started moving as if i were in REM, that with some weird numbness in my body. I got too excited and got up. Are these the next step? if so, i might have just kissed my lucid dream goodbye last night!

^^ That activity could have been signs of "the next step," as you may have been experiencing some of the noise your body generates as it settles into sleep -- just as it always does, though normally you are not there to consciously witness it.

Next time, I suggest that you try to ignore these sensations, stay calm, and allow yourself to move on to sleep, and your dream.

Also, you might want to review the WILD class to which this thread is attached, you might find it helpful.

Originally Posted by Sageous

^^ That activity could have been signs of "the next step," as you may have been experiencing some of the noise your body generates as it settles into sleep -- just as it always does, though normally you are not there to consciously witness it.

Next time, I suggest that you try to ignore these sensations, stay calm, and allow yourself to move on to sleep, and your dream.

Also, you might want to review the WILD class to which this thread is attached, you might find it helpful.

Sounds great. Though after giving it some thought, after i got up from excitment i felt like my heartbeat was normal. Perhaps those were hallucinations all along? I have been tricked!!!

My very first Wild

It was fall break, last year. That summer, i had been trying to WILD with every technique i could find, but to no avail. When i finally got off school for fall break, I decided that each day, i would wake up at 4:30, and then attempt WILDing until I either succeeded or my second alarm(8:00) rang. I was threatening my subconscious with inadequate sleep if it did not cooperate. So, after 2 nights of failed attempts, i came up with my own custom tech based off of SSILD. I continued to repeat the cycles, using as an anchor the phrase "I Will". After about half an hour of watching colorful blobs move through my field of vision, something, and i can't tell what, "popped". The blobs quickly turned into vivid dreamlets, and after 5 minutes of resisting the onslaught, the scene slowly brightened, and i was standing in an infinite white room, a place i had often imagined as a sort of "home base". Within it, I created a city around me, looked up at the sky, and willed the city into reality. I looked back down, and found my now bustling city before me. What followed was the single most vivid, and longest, dream of my life. In total, i was in there 42 minutes, and I flew. I flew for the first time in the 2 years i had been lucid dreaming. It was incredible. I now understand the exhilaration people said they felt when they flew for the first time. Either way, i loved it, and fall break was the single most awesome week i ever had. Thank you sageous! my tech wouldn't have worked without your lesson on mantras.

Hello this is my first post on this forum which I have been frequenting for some time now and I would like to ask about my experiences using WILD.
I have had around 10 DILD and yesterday I decided to try WILD after WBTB. Went to sleep around 2 AM and woke up at 7 AM. I sat up for around five minutes before the attempt started.
Im repeating my mantra and counting in sync with my breathing. I start to feel a numbness in my limbs and to my surprise I start to see very vivid colors emerge in my vision.
What I saw was more beautiful than anything I have ever seen before, colors and patterns morphing into different shapes and sizes and I also felt like I was flying through the universe (totally not what I expected when initiating my attempt)
I would say I was in this state for around 2-5 minutes. I was trying to picture a landscape I have visited before in my LD's but I was getting nothing except the colors, shapes and patterns.

All of a sudden I snapped back to reality by my leg twitching (at this point I was not even aware of my body so not sure what caused the twitch).
I was hoping this waking might have been a FA but after doing my normal RC routine I found that I was actually awake.

Was this close to a successful WILD attempt or was something else happening? In any case it was very beautiful and even though I didn't get a LD I was very happy.

^^ Welcome Draceus!

I would say that this was very close to a LD, if not an actual arrival.

Though all that colorful stuff was probably hypnagogic imagery (HI), which still means you were well on your way to a LD, it is also possible that you were actually dreaming: Judging by your response to it, that imagery could have been the beginnings of a dream, but you were too close to a waking state to sustain the dream or move on to a more recognizable dream.

Either way, that was a job well done; good luck with your next dive!

Originally Posted by Sageous

^^ Welcome Draceus!

I would say that this was very close to a LD, if not an actual arrival.

Though all that colorful stuff was probably hypnagogic imagery (HI), which still means you were well on your way to a LD, it is also possible that you were actually dreaming: Judging by your response to it, that imagery could have been the beginnings of a dream, but you were too close to a waking state to sustain the dream or move on to a more recognizable dream.

Either way, that was a job well done; good luck with your next dive!

Thanks for your answer, I will try again tonight and hopefully get it to work, and if not I will learn some more!

It's still a long way for me to actually do a WILD with intention as it seems. After the discovery of that to do wild you have to fall asleep, i tried again.

I woke up for my attempt and was struck with extremely annoying itching sensations, which were partly my fault for me getting my skin dry beforehand.. Well. Anyways i tried doing WILD but it seemed impossible with those sensations. I waited around for a while browsing the forums on my bed then decided to go to sleep and abandon my WILD attempt for the day.. Here, most of these annoying sensations stopped.

I don't seem to remember what actually happened, but last thing i remember is that my body was heavy and hard to move, almost paralyzed. I was laying on my back at the time and i decided to try to roll over to my right side for some reason. Shortly after that i started hearing a loud buzzing sound with a voice of a man saying something on my left ear. Those two lasted very shortly then suddenly stopped, effectively making me confused as to what happened. I wasn't in a dream or in a false awakening after they stopped though. i don't remember what happened after that.

So what's the deal with this?

^^ I think the deal was that you may have been paying too much attention to the noise, TDHXIII, and not enough attention to the coming dream.

Aside from the itching -- you were correct in postponing your WILD attempt until that physical distraction went away, BTW -- all those other things (the buzzing, the voice, the heavy body) can and will happen. It is best to simply note them as milestones toward your dream, and don't spend any time thinking about them (or, worse, taking them seriously). By focusing on the noise, you likely lost track of your WILD attempt and simply fell asleep. Try your best to minimize the importance of the noise, and focus on your coming dream.

Another thing I noticed, but might have misunderstood: you should get up out of bed for a few minutes when doing WBTB. Moving around and adding some wakefulness to your sleepy state is very helpful, and sort of the point of WBTB. Also, this is just my opinion, but I do not think it is a good idea to use electronic devices during WBTB -- even if it's a visit to DV. I don't know why, but reading text on screens tends to fire up too much of your brain's wake-up functions, and takes you further from your sleep cycle.

I hope that helped; good luck with your next dive!

Originally Posted by Sageous

^^ I think the deal was that you may have been paying too much attention to the noise, TDHXIII, and not enough attention to the coming dream.

Aside from the itching -- you were correct in postponing your WILD attempt until that physical distraction went away, BTW -- all those other things (the buzzing, the voice, the heavy body) can and will happen. It is best to simply note them as milestones toward your dream, and don't spend any time thinking about them (or, worse, taking them seriously). By focusing on the noise, you likely lost track of your WILD attempt and simply fell asleep. Try your best to minimize the importance of the noise, and focus on your coming dream.

Another thing I noticed, but might have misunderstood: you should get up out of bed for a few minutes when doing WBTB. Moving around and adding some wakefulness to your sleepy state is very helpful, and sort of the point of WBTB. Also, this is just my opinion, but I do not think it is a good idea to use electronic devices during WBTB -- even if it's a visit to DV. I don't know why, but reading text on screens tends to fire up too much of your brain's wake-up functions, and takes you further from your sleep cycle.

I hope that helped; good luck with your next dive!

Well to be more clear about what i did, i tried WILD seriously at first then because of the itching i stopped the attempt and later on just decided to normally go to sleep without trying, that's apparently when i got into the state of SP/HI.

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It's really driving me crazy as to why i'm not able to WILD even though i understand the concept.
It's been weeks of trying to get it right. There is something wrong i'm doing and i don't know what it is. I'm asking for guidance with this, and i hope you have time for helping me through. I'm almost being desperate at the moment for my lack of success.

What should i do? This is what happens with my most attempts.

1- I go to sleep, setting the alarm 4 or 5 hours later
2- Waking up by alarm
3- Turning off the alarm, focusing on the attempt, feeling too awake and afraid that i won't succeed
4- Laying down to WILD. I cannot fall asleep while focusing on the counting/breathing anchor.
5- Giving up and going to sleep normally.


Which brings me to two questions that i hope you can answer for me:
1- How do i decide what anchor to use, and HOW do i use it during the attempt itself?
2- At the lay down part, should i be aiming for just falling asleep? or should i be focusing on the anchor?

Hey Sageous, I have a question,

Everytime I attempt a WILD, which is basically every night, I stay still and put in some binaural beats or whatever other music and I try to WILD. Thing is, about 5 minutes in I just suddenly black out into sleep. Its like I went from full consciousness to straight unconsciousness with no signs, or anything else at all, and all that happens in roughly 5-10 minutes.

What can I do to fix this?

TDHXIII:

Originally Posted by TDHXIII

It's really driving me crazy as to why i'm not able to WILD even though i understand the concept.
It's been weeks of trying to get it right. There is something wrong i'm doing and i don't know what it is. I'm asking for guidance with this, and i hope you have time for helping me through. I'm almost being desperate at the moment for my lack of success.

Respectfully, understanding the concept of a thing does not necessarily guarantee success in doing that thing. Though the concept of WILD is fairly simple (WILD is no more than a transition from wake to sleep to dream without losing your waking-life self-awareness), actually achieving consistent WILD's can be a challenge because we are simply not wired to stay awake while falling asleep... just writing the phrase doesn't make sense! It really does take some effort to get your mind and body in the right place to WILD; there is much more to WILD than just lying down and holding still.

I think I suggested it before, but if you haven't yet, you should take the WILD Class to which this thread is attached; I really think it will help. If you're interested in something more concise, Gab's WILD tutorial is most helpful as well.

Just in case you've already done the reading, here are some short answers to your questions:

Which brings me to two questions that i hope you can answer for me:
1- How do i decide what anchor to use, and HOW do i use it during the attempt itself?
2- At the lay down part, should i be aiming for just falling asleep? or should i be focusing on the anchor?

1: Your anchor/mantra, unfortunately, is completely up to you. I would suggest trying different mantras or other anchors until you find what works best for you. For instance, since you've already discovered that counting and breathing anchors are keeping you from falling asleep, it might be time to try something else (this is not a surprise, BTW; counting and breathing exercises do tend to keep you a bit too close to wakefulness, which I believe is one reason they are used in meditation). I would suggest that you consider using a mantra to help hold your focus. You can hear me go on a bit more about mantras here, including how to choose them and use them.

2. You should be doing both. Since you must be asleep to LD, you have to dedicate much of the "laying down" part to relaxing and allowing your body to go about the business of falling asleep. However, you also must be focusing on the upcoming dream and maintaining self-awareness as that dream (and sleep) approaches.

So not really "both," I guess, because you should not be focusing on your anchor/mantra as much as you should be using it to help you hold focus on your WILD. Keep in mind that your anchor is a tool for focus, and not a target of focus: You are using your anchor to maintain your self-awareness and focus as you fall asleep; try to see it as a tool and not a priority. In other words, let your anchor form the background to your WILD dive; don't let it be the priority, or else it will become just another distraction... plus doing so will likely keep you from falling asleep!


OneUP:

Originally Posted by OneUp

Everytime I attempt a WILD, which is basically every night, I stay still and put in some binaural beats or whatever other music and I try to WILD. Thing is, about 5 minutes in I just suddenly black out into sleep. Its like I went from full consciousness to straight unconsciousness with no signs, or anything else at all, and all that happens in roughly 5-10 minutes.

What can I do to fix this?

First, read what I just said to TDHXIII, you might find it helpful.

WILD, and LD'ing in general, is a state of mind, and a fairly contradictory one at that, given that you must be awake while you are asleep in order to LD. It is not a condition that can be triggered simply by applying a single technique or device. Just setting binaural beats or whatever other music is only an aid to help you become lucid; it is not a switch. You still must get your mind and body in the right place and then hold it there from wake to sleep to dream; getting to that dream requires more effort and preparation than just turning on some tunes, lying down, and holding still. In fact, turning on the beats without any mental prep is probably an excellent tranquilizer!

So I would suggest that you set aside the beats for now and concentrate on the rest of the stuff that comes with WILD (aka: knowing and practicing the fundamentals, mental prep, mantras, timing, etc.). Also, I suggest that, instead of trying to WILD every night, you might set aside a special night for your WILD attempt so you can both spend some time with mental prep and look forward to your attempt and "reserve" your major WILD attempt for an optimal time (i.e., on a quiet morning when work/school or other distractions won't interfere).

I hope that helped, guys; good luck with your next dive!

Originally Posted by Sageous

TDHXIII:


Respectfully, understanding the concept of a thing does not necessarily guarantee success in doing that thing. Though the concept of WILD is fairly simple (WILD is no more than a transition from wake to sleep to dream without losing your waking-life self-awareness), actually achieving consistent WILD's can be a challenge because we are simply not wired to stay awake while falling asleep... just writing the phrase doesn't make sense! It really does take some effort to get your mind and body in the right place to WILD; there is much more to WILD than just lying down and holding still.

I think I suggested it before, but if you haven't yet, you should take the WILD Class to which this thread is attached; I really think it will help. If you're interested in something more concise, Gab's WILD tutorial is most helpful as well.

Just in case you've already done the reading, here are some short answers to your questions:



1: Your anchor/mantra, unfortunately, is completely up to you. I would suggest trying different mantras or other anchors until you find what works best for you. For instance, since you've already discovered that counting and breathing anchors are keeping you from falling asleep, it might be time to try something else (this is not a surprise, BTW; counting and breathing exercises do tend to keep you a bit too close to wakefulness, which I believe is one reason they are used in meditation). I would suggest that you consider using a mantra to help hold your focus. You can hear me go on a bit more about mantras here, including how to choose them and use them.

2. You should be doing both. Since you must be asleep to LD, you have to dedicate much of the "laying down" part to relaxing and allowing your body to go about the business of falling asleep. However, you also must be focusing on the upcoming dream and maintaining self-awareness as that dream (and sleep) approaches.

So not really "both," I guess, because you should not be focusing on your anchor/mantra as much as you should be using it to help you hold focus on your WILD. Keep in mind that your anchor is a tool for focus, and not a target of focus: You are using your anchor to maintain your self-awareness and focus as you fall asleep; try to see it as a tool and not a priority. In other words, let your anchor form the background to your WILD dive; don't let it be the priority, or else it will become just another distraction... plus doing so will likely keep you from falling asleep!


OneUP:



First, read what I just said to TDHXIII, you might find it helpful.

WILD, and LD'ing in general, is a state of mind, and a fairly contradictory one at that, given that you must be awake while you are asleep in order to LD. It is not a condition that can be triggered simply by applying a single technique or device. Just setting binaural beats or whatever other music is only an aid to help you become lucid; it is not a switch. You still must get your mind and body in the right place and then hold it there from wake to sleep to dream; getting to that dream requires more effort and preparation than just turning on some tunes, lying down, and holding still. In fact, turning on the beats without any mental prep is probably an excellent tranquilizer!

So I would suggest that you set aside the beats for now and concentrate on the rest of the stuff that comes with WILD (aka: knowing and practicing the fundamentals, mental prep, mantras, timing, etc.). Also, I suggest that, instead of trying to WILD every night, you might set aside a special night for your WILD attempt so you can both spend some time with mental prep and look forward to your attempt and "reserve" your major WILD attempt for an optimal time (i.e., on a quiet morning when work/school or other distractions won't interfere).

I hope that helped, guys; good luck with your next dive!

Attempted today.. and?
I was able to wake up in the exact drowsy state i wanted for WILD. Which apparently cuts me down to two possible reasons for that happening today:

1- Waking up after 6 hours
or
2- Setting the alarm to wake me up multiple times

One of these is the reason. THIS state is the perfect balance i was looking for. It took SECONDS to go back to sleep.

I tried to WILD today. However, I have a lot of trouble not focusing on my body. I know you shouldn't be focusing very hard, because it is distracting and counterproductive, so I tried continuing.
I got really close, felt the heart racing feeling that I get and felt some HI sensations, so I'm on my way, but couldn't quite get there.
Any tips on ignoring the physical stimuli?

Originally Posted by Shabby

Any tips on ignoring the physical stimuli?

Try focusing on something else.

For instance, keeping your mind off the distractions is a primary purpose of a mantra. Try using your mantra as a sort of buffer against distractions (like your physical body): if your mantra fills the space that physical sensations or other noise are otherwise likely to invade, then you will be less likely to pay attention to your body as you head for sleep and your dream.

Speaking of the dream, you can also think about that (your dream). You can plan your adventures, or wonder about what you'll be doing, or even visualize where you expect to be when you arrive in it. By elevating the profile of your dream you will tend to reduce the importance of your body during your WILD dive. Additionally, if you are using your mantra to fill in the background gaps (and help guide you to that dream), then the potential for paying attention to your body is reduced even further... there is only so much you can think about at one time!

Just back from two years of inactivity. I barely tried when I joined, but I'm going for it now, also never tried WILD.

Last night, beginning of my sleep cycle. (Because I didn't know you should do it later after you wake.

I am face down into the bed, one of the ways I can sleep. I lie down for probably 30-60 minutes. (not even a concern for it, I was surprised) I'm getting this minor -sink into the bed feeling- and my eyelid starts twitching, wasn't an irritant, it was kind of funny feeling or funky. My problem I feel though is that it's difficult for me to go to sleep completely.

In the morning, I began reading up a little and I get near the same results, even though I was on my back(I can never sleep on my back). I get even less of everything (sinking feeling, and the eye twitch lasted only probably 6 seconds.)


Then after that, I came up on here, signed in and talked to DV member who answered my questions

I figured out how to wake up tired. And with that out of the way, i tried FILD (I know it's technically a WILD).
Got up, went back down on bed, moved my fingers slightly and focused on them. A few seconds and i got an urge to move. Not sure if a natural one or one that i should ignore. Thoughts?

Originally Posted by TDHXIII

I figured out how to wake up tired. And with that out of the way, i tried FILD (I know it's technically a WILD).
Got up, went back down on bed, moved my fingers slightly and focused on them. A few seconds and i got an urge to move. Not sure if a natural one or one that i should ignore. Thoughts?

You should ignore these annoying urges and stimuli. They distract you and make it harder to do the dive.
FILD works really well for me. Touch sense is my strongest and the first one to come usually when I dive(it appears first if I'm doing FILD).
If I where you, I'd wait till I'm really sleepy then begin my dive. It's easier when I'm closer to fall asleep.
And then, to insure I won't get bothered by urges and what not, I visualize the dream I want to be in while repeating my mantra.
If I do this and still i 'm getting distracted by urges to roll over, I just roll over, then when I'm sleepier I try again.

If you find that you don't have a strong focus (which would make focusing on the visualizations and mantra under the bombardment of urges hard), I recommend practicing meditation, or simple focus exercises (tons of you Google search).

Welp, here's my 2 cents :3

Oh, there could be a problem I notice no one talks about really. Is your bed comfortable?

EDIT: Hey! If what you want is to be able to do a wbtb where you wake up very drowsy and able to fall asleep in seconds, then I know how to do that really easily.
I'm guessing it's for DEILD, right?
Anyways the way to do that is for you to download an alarm clock that turns itself off after like 3 seconds (you can set how much time you want till it turns off automatically).
I use "alarm clock xtreme"

If you aren't planning on doing that for DEILD, then I recommend you do. DEILD is the easiest type of WILD.

How I go about it usually is to do my regular 1 hour wbtb after 5.5 hours of sleep, then do a regular WILD, but set the alarm to play multiple times (after an hour, two, and three from the time I estimate to fall asleep (which would mean after 6.5, 7.5, and 8.5 hours of sleep)), then BAM 3 possible DEILDs. (I don't do this often though. I should get back to doing it often)
It's great bcz I get my best quality LDs during late REM cycles.