Thread: Bemistaken's Workbook

It seems we're very similar in a lot of this though.

And that's what is so AWESOME to know! I am not alone

Hi Lucy,

I had to go out of town for work and I couldn't meditate at all because I was sharing a room with two other people (packed in that damn room like sardines)! I just got back and I'm going to get right back to work tonight with our meditation experiment so don't you fret! Even when I'm out of town I just can't stop thinking about you! Believe me baby, I WILL make this up to you tonight !

Originally Posted by bemistaken

Hi Lucy,

I had to go out of town for work and I couldn't meditate at all because I was sharing a room with two other people (packed in that damn room like sardines)! I just got back and I'm going to get right back to work tonight with our meditation experiment so don't you fret! Even when I'm out of town I just can't stop thinking about you! Believe me baby, I WILL make this up to you tonight !

Is this you talking to yourself or something.

Also, I had a strange experience. I was on a jog in the woods and got into a meditative like state on the trail. Somehow I got the impression that the trees started speaking to me. They said, "We are here to serve you [humanity]." I got the feeling that we should be grateful for this and not abuse it. Super CRAZY I know, but it's really interesting some of the things that happen to me when I've been running for a while. It's like some sort of altered state that I find immensely interesting. Just thought I would share.

And... I haven't been doing my meditation much either. I've been super tired with my changes to my work schedule. I hope to normalize soon. I hope your session goes well tonight!

Hi Lucy, I'm back in town so my sleep/no sleep schedule is back on! Where did we leave off?

Oh yeah....

MEDITATION EXPERIEMENT

SESSION #13 DATE: 3/20/2015 MEDITATION START TIME: 6:51pm MEDITATION END TIME: 8:00 pm

MEDITATION TECHNIQUE: Breath Focus

SYMPTOMS WHILE MEDITATING:
Been out of town on work related task so it really took some time for me to calm down. I was hearing so much stupid conversation in my head! It was crazy! Like I was talking to myself in third person...weird. Anyway, by the time I told myself to shut up I was finally feeling limp. I did not force anything on myself because I have not had the chance to meditate in a week. I was just so happy to be in my own bed...alone.

RESULTS
RELAXATION! I almost fell asleep.

What did I learn?
Since this experience, I have learn that when I am not able to meditate my life just doesn't seem to go right. All I was thinking on my trip was "I need to go somewhere to meditate...I should be meditating right now...I need to be left alone...Maybe if I stay in the bathroom a little longer I can get a few minutes of meditation in."

I have learn meditation is now a part of my life...and I love it.

Is this you talking to yourself or something.

LOL! Uh....Yeah. I have no idea why I do this but it make my journaling 'real' if that makes sense. I feel like I am talking to a friend and I have named this person "Lucy" short for Lucidity. Sometimes I like to add something stupid like what I said about making it up to her tonight, really meaning that I hope I can just get lucid and stabilize. I know...corny.

Also, I had a strange experience. I was on a jog in the woods and got into a meditative like state on the trail. Somehow I got the impression that the trees started speaking to me. They said, "We are here to serve you [humanity]." I got the feeling that we should be grateful for this and not abuse it. Super CRAZY I know, but it's really interesting some of the things that happen to me when I've been running for a while. It's like some sort of altered state that I find immensely interesting. Just thought I would share.

Hey, I don't know if I told you but I run also! You do become one with nature. I live in the country so I see all kinds of animals. I was a city girl so when I moved to the country and took up jogging I was scared to death. You see all kinds of animals (foxes, raccoons, etc.). I thought I moved to Animal Planet or something!

And... I haven't been doing my meditation much either. I've been super tired with my changes to my work schedule. I hope to normalize soon. I hope your session goes well tonight!

Well, we are going to just have to motivate each other! I just posted my session. Let me know what you think. I got a lot more work to put into my meditation sessions. My schedule is finally calming down so I'm claiming lucy will spend time with me soon.

I was hearing so much stupid conversation in my head! It was crazy! Like I was talking to myself in third person...weird. Anyway, by the time I told myself to shut up I was finally feeling limp.

My thoughts can be pretty crazy like this but I like to relive a past experience or imagine a future one. It's all nonsense and it does seem to take a few minutes to settle down. Do you do any body relaxation tek or do you just let it happen on it's own?

Maybe if I stay in the bathroom a little longer I can get a few minutes of meditation in.

I've actually done this. LMAO.

LOL! Uh....Yeah. I have no idea why I do this but it make my journaling 'real' if that makes sense. I feel like I am talking to a friend and I have named this person "Lucy" short for Lucidity. Sometimes I like to add something stupid like what I said about making it up to her tonight, really meaning that I hope I can just get lucid and stabilize. I know...corny.

Ok gotcha! A lot of people do this sort of thing, I'm pretty sure.

Hey, I don't know if I told you but I run also! You do become one with nature. I live in the country so I see all kinds of animals. I was a city girl so when I moved to the country and took up jogging I was scared to death. You see all kinds of animals (foxes, raccoons, etc.). I thought I moved to Animal Planet or something!

Awesome! Running has become an addiction for me. Yeah, it's that "oneness" you feel when your out there. It's a very nice feeling. The wild animals don't bother me so much as long as they don't get too close. I'm totes jelly your in the country — that's what my wife and I are striving for!

BTW... I tried a WBTB meditation laying down. I crashed out pretty fast but it spawned a DILD. After I woke from that one I tried a quick meditation and the same thing happened with a 2nd DILD. I wish it could always be this easy!

Do you do any body relaxation tek or do you just let it happen on it's own?

When I need to 'quiet the noise' in my head I will do a technique. I will do what Robert Bruce calls stimulating primary energy centers (i.e., stimulating the major Chakras). I will start the stimulation by focusing on the base chakra and work my way up to the crown chakra. By focusing on this instead of the conversation in my head, it really helps me get to that 'limp noodle' feeling quicker.

BTW... I tried a WBTB meditation laying down. I crashed out pretty fast but it spawned a DILD. After I woke from that one I tried a quick meditation and the same thing happened with a 2nd DILD. I wish it could always be this easy!

Cool! I wish this would happen to me more often. I tried my WBTB this morning and for some reason my husband kept asking me where his golf stuff was because he was going to play golf and couldn't find this or that...yeah, he got cussed out before he left!

. I will do what Robert Bruce calls stimulating primary energy centers (i.e., stimulating the major Chakras). I will start the stimulation by focusing on the base chakra and work my way up to the crown chakra. By focusing on this instead of the conversation in my head, it really helps me get to that 'limp noodle' feeling quicker.

Wow. I really got to get a physical copy of his book and really study up on it. That energy stuff really does something. Whether its real or imagined, I don't know, but it's effective either way.

MEDITATION EXPERIEMENT

SESSION #14 DATE: 3/21/2015 MEDITATION START TIME: 4:55pm MEDITATION END TIME: 6:10pm

SESSION #15 DATE: 3/22/2015 MEDITATION START TIME: 5:45pm MEDITATION END TIME: ???

MEDITATION TECHNIQUE: Breath Focus

SYMPTOMS WHILE MEDITATING:
For both days I have been so restless I truly have nothing to report. Coming back from a work related trip seems to have thrown something off and I can't seem to get into my 'mojo.'

RESULTS
Taking me way too long to relax...like I'm waiting for something to happen. I know, shouldn't do this

What did I learn?
Still have a lot to learn. I only have eight day left to finish this experiment but I must say the few lucids I have had, have been an improvement in vividness and stability.

I will continue on!

Will update tonight Lucy, son has been sick with staph infection over last four days.

MEDITATION EXPERIEMENT

SESSION #16 DATE: 3/24/2015 MEDITATION START TIME: 6:05pm MEDITATION END TIME: 7:10pm

MEDITATION TECHNIQUE: Breath Focus

SYMPTOMS WHILE MEDITATING:
Very relaxing meditation session. Had a really rough day today (son has been ill) so I was looking forward to my alone time. My body immediately responded by falling so deep into relaxation...I feel asleep!

RESULTS
Deep unconscious nap.

What did I learn?
During this session believe it or not, I have learned that even though I may believe I did not have any symptoms during meditation because I went straight to sleep, this is not true. I was still really trying to pay attention to my body and I noticed that when I am really tired or sleep deprived my body goes into the symptoms of sleep either much quicker or (I know this is not the first time this has been stated) but now I am questioning if my body 'bypasses' certain sensations or I just did not noticed them. For instance, during this session I don't remember the feeling of floating, falling, getting really big or shrinking, etc. If I did notice a 'floating' feeling...I think I was probably already dreaming and sleep.

So now I am wondering (if this has anything to do with WILDing) when I am really tired and starting meditation, is there a way to still be able to 'catch' the signs of falling asleep...even you can barely keep your eyes open before your head hits the pillow (hope you can understanding what I am asking)???.

I do believe this experiment has made a great difference in my life. I have only 4 days left to experiment but I believe some really good information can be retrieved and utilized for the future in my lucid dreaming adventure.

One Love.

Will update tonight Lucy, son has been sick with staph infection over last four days.

ACK! Sorry to read this. My daughter had it a while back. No fun. I hope he's feeling better.

What did I learn?
During this session believe it or not, I have learned that even though I may believe I did not have any symptoms during meditation because I went straight to sleep, this is not true. I was still really trying to pay attention to my body and I noticed that when I am really tired or sleep deprived my body goes into the symptoms of sleep either much quicker or (I know this is not the first time this has been stated) but now I am questioning if my body 'bypasses' certain sensations or I just did not noticed them. For instance, during this session I don't remember the feeling of floating, falling, getting really big or shrinking, etc. If I did notice a 'floating' feeling...I think I was probably already dreaming and sleep.

So now I am wondering (if this has anything to do with WILDing) when I am really tired and starting meditation, is there a way to still be able to 'catch' the signs of falling asleep...even you can barely keep your eyes open before your head hits the pillow (hope you can understanding what I am asking)???.

You know what? I have been trying to analyse this myself for several years and I really don't have a solid answer. When you have no memory of something it's hard to figure it out. I think we either just forget or we slip unconscious so fast that we don't experience any of it. It seems like WILDing or waking into SP is just staying in the halfway state. Keeping the mind conscious while the body goes to sleep is a real balancing act that, in my opinion, isn't always possible. It must take great mental discipline to master. Of course, things like stress, sleep deprivation (even mild), current (n)REM states ect. can really sabotage the whole thing. I wish I had the key to all of it but don't we all? The only good thing about being extra tired (for me) is that I can hit really vivid HI easy and have super early REM, but staying lucid is way more difficult. I was pretty tired last night but the RL got me up within an hour. I notice I was deep in some super vivid dream already. BTW I've got to work on my NLD recall

I hope to have some solid meditation time tonight. Good luck with the rest of the experiment! Are you going to stop in 4 days or just stop reporting on it?

ACK! Sorry to read this. My daughter had it a while back. No fun. I hope he's feeling better.

Thanks, he is on antibiotics up the ass...

You know what? I have been trying to analyse this myself for several years and I really don't have a solid answer. When you have no memory of something it's hard to figure it out. I think we either just forget or we slip unconscious so fast that we don't experience any of it. It seems like WILDing or waking into SP is just staying in the halfway state. Keeping the mind conscious while the body goes to sleep is a real balancing act that, in my opinion, isn't always possible. It must take great mental discipline to master.

Difficult to answer AND difficult to master! My goal is to try to come up with some type of analysis with this phenomena...I'm in it for the long run.

I hope to have some solid meditation time tonight. Good luck with the rest of the experiment! Are you going to stop in 4 days or just stop reporting on it?

I will absolutely continue on with this experiment. I probably will not be so in depth with my reporting, but I enjoyed every minute of it and I know there is more waiting for me if I continue on. I have not been one to really understand the world of LDing, but this website has allowed me to really grow in the ability since I joined a year ago. I really have a passion to understand how people do this, how people control what they are doing in an LD, how often it can be done, and what 'special' activities, abilities, and places can be developed. I don't have anyone to talk to in RL in order to gain understanding of LDing but I know there is a world of people who have the same passion as I do (if not more) when it comes to this. Meditation is going to be my direct link to the highway of awareness and consciousness and I hope to continue on for the entire year of 2015. My goal is to seek enlightenment and I'm not even a fraction of the way there...however I'm enjoying the ride.

Originally Posted by bemistaken

My goal is to try to come up with some type of analysis with this phenomena...I'm in it for the long run.

Meditation is going to be my direct link to the highway of awareness and consciousness and I hope to continue on for the entire year of 2015. My goal is to seek enlightenment and I'm not even a fraction of the way there...however I'm enjoying the ride.

Yes totally this! I'm glad you're in it for more than just lucid dreaming. I'm glad to have someone to learn this with and the more people I can talk to about it the better.

Meditation WILD
Looking for my dream buddy:

Just coming out of my meditative state...it was beautiful. Don't know if I got anything right, but this is what I saw.
1. flowers blooming outside in the dirt (red) coming up from the ground
2. Then the red flowers either died or went away and dirt (the earth) was uncovered to reveal a face of a buddha or Egyptian mask or just a plain mask or face???
3. I kept hearing music playing, like there was a band. Do you play in a band?
4. Light beam was around me
5. a light colored house. This all happened in the front yard of a light colored house.

I can't remember anything, but I called out for Xanous and I heard a voice, but the music was so loud. All of this happened during my meditative WILD. I did not see our target, but this is what happened when I asked to see the target...in that order.

Meditation Experiment from Feb. 21, 2015 - March 31, 2015

During this experiment, I took the time out to meditate at least 4 times a week (did not always happen like that) for at least 30 minutes each day. My goal was to see if I had a increase in vividness, stability, clarity, and control. Method used for this experiment was focusing on my breath.

MEDITATION MEDTHOD
Breath Focus-I started out using a mantra, then I did away with the mantra and just focused on my breath alone.

WHEN OR WHAT TIME DID YOU MEDITATE?
Most meditation session were during the evening usually 1-2 hours after returning home from work (between 6pm-8pm).

STATS:
These are the following stats for the experiment from Feb. 21, 2015 - March 31, 2015:

• I had 16 meditation sessions
• Of those 16 sessions, I had 3 WILDS & 3 DEILDS.
• The WILDS/DEILDS lasted from a couple of seconds to several seconds, but I don't believe any of them lasted longer than 40-60 seconds.
• Out of the the 3 WILDS & 3 DEILDS one of them I was able to achieve the TOTM Advanced (March Mirror Task).

MEDITATION BENEFITS FOR DREAMING:
I would say that my vividness, stability, clarity, and control increased tremendously! I had been in darkness for many weeks during my dreams (whether WILD, DEILD, or anything else) but through meditation, I was able to be in the light and/or surrounded by light. I was able to also have more control and be able to stabilize the dream without feeling rushed or frustrated.

MEDITATION BENEFITS IN WAKING LIFE:
During waking life I was more at peace with my work and home life. I paid more attention to the natural elements around me (wind, rain, sunlight, etc.) and felt an inner peace because of this. Don't get me wrong some days were better than others, but I knew that when I got home I would be able to meditate and become connected with my inner self which always made me feel better.

CONCLUSIONS:
I somehow feel I have even more questions than answers. I feel that the only conclusion that I can make at this time is that I feel meditation is a benefit. How much of a benefit...well, I believe that I did not have enough time in this experiment to tell. I feel like this experiment should continue and be on-going...so that is what I am going to do. I will continue this experiment for right now until Summer 2015 (July). I will only make post that meditation was completed that day and anything else that may be of importance. I believe the time I spent meditating for this experiment does not do enough justice to the art of meditation for me to say if it worked or not. Personally, I do feel that it was a great benefit for my lucid dreaming. In the mean time I will experiment with different methods of meditation and try to determine which method works best for me.

Originally Posted by bemistaken

Meditation WILD
Looking for my dream buddy:

Just coming out of my meditative state...it was beautiful. Don't know if I got anything right, but this is what I saw.
1. flowers blooming outside in the dirt (red) coming up from the ground
2. Then the red flowers either died or went away and dirt (the earth) was uncovered to reveal a face of a buddha or Egyptian mask or just a plain mask or face???
3. I kept hearing music playing, like there was a band. Do you play in a band?
4. Light beam was around me
5. a light colored house. This all happened in the front yard of a light colored house.

I can't remember anything, but I called out for Xanous and I heard a voice, but the music was so loud. All of this happened during my meditative WILD. I did not see our target, but this is what happened when I asked to see the target...in that order.

That sounds like an amazing experience bemistaken! Very nice!

About your meditation experiment, it was great to follow your updates during this month. Your insights were amazing and your practice very inspiring. I also like a lot what you have written about paying more attention to the natural elements after your meditation experiment has started. It's really pleasant to just observe and even merge with such things so I can relate to your feelings. I have to say that after many dreams, I have a similar urge to pay more attention to the environment, not just doing ADA practice but just for the sake noticing those lovely little things like the raindrops on your window.

Looking forward to reading how this goes in the long term. Wish you peaceful sessions and many awesome lds to follow.

Looking forward to reading how this goes in the long term. Wish you peaceful sessions and many awesome lds to follow.

Thanks NyxCC,
There is more great things to come, I'm going to continue this experiment until I can understand what my body is at peace with in order for my mentality to be relax and pick up on the signals of lucid dreaming.

Back to the basics. Just finished a meditation session and boy did I need it. Started at 7:18pm and ended at 8:48pm. I have no idea what happened to the time. I felt such peace and silence and it was exactly what my body and mentality needed. I am taken my WBTB serious, so I am going to make sure to wake up in the middle of the night and continue focusing on peace and my body sensations. Hopefully, this will do the trick to get me out of my slump.

Cool! I like it when I see folks making themselves feel better without medicating. It gives me hope. Good stuff! Good luck with the WBTB. I really need to try myself maybe my legs will let me sleep well the first half.

Well Lucy, I am actually having some success (even though it is small). I remembered a dream! I know, I know, how important can that be? Very! I have been in a rut so I'm counting this dream as a success that I'm on the right track.

Dream:
I was in like a dance hall, but the dance hall was full of spirits/ghosts. The spirits didn't like what the new owners were doing to their place so they would cause all these problems and scare away customers. One man (light skin, light eyes, light hair...sounds familiar?) was the one who came up with an idea to make it a recreational center for kids. The spirits were pleased and satisfied with what was now going on in the building so they left. The End.

I'm so proud of myself because my lucid is right around the corner! Until tonight my love.

So I'm at my doctor's office for my check up and begging for a refill on my insomnia medication and she ask me if my sleeping habits have improved since the last time. I have never told my doctor that I have experience with lucid dreaming and OBE's, so just to see what the medical field says about LDing & OBE's I start to pick her brain.

Me: "Well, since I was a young, and I never have told a doctor this before, but I have the tendency to be waken up by the feeling of vibrations...kinda like I'm getting electrocuted but it doesn't hurt. Sometimes I can't move and then before I know it...I'm out."

Her: (staring me blankly in the face with a slight pause)...then she says to my surprise, "Are you floating?"

Me: "Yes, I can even go high into the sky...like to outer space if I try. I have even gone through walls."

Her: (still staring me blankly in the face without even blinking) silence...then, "Do you see visions or spirits?"

Me: "I have in the past. I don't see anything scary and now I'm never afraid. I use to be when I was younger, but now I'm not because I'm use to it"

Her: (still staring...then she takes her glasses off and puts down the iPad she was taking notes on and goes out of 'Doctor' mode) "Do you believe in GOD?"

Me: "Yes, I do. I'm just trying to see what the medical field says about this phenomena. Is this normal?"

Her: "No, it is not normal. Normally people that has these symptoms are near death. I only know what you are talking about because patients have stated things like this when they were near death. According to the research it's called a near death experience. Have you heard of this?"

Me: "Yes, but I'm not near death...I'm just sleep."

Her: "I believe that if you can come out of your body and you ARE NOT near death, and you can see visions then you are spiritually gifted."

Me: "Do you believe me? It's not the medication because when I take the medication, I don't remember a thing the next morning."

Her: "Yes I do. It's a supernatural phenomena that medical science is just beginning to understand."

Then she puts her glasses back on and gets her iPad and goes back to 'Doctor' mode and says she is increasing my dosage on my sleeping medicine and tells me not to drink so much caffeine and try to make a habit out of going to bed at a decent time. She says to me, "Do you have any other concerns or questions?"

Me: "No."

She walks me to the door and tells me she is going to call in my prescription now and then says to me before we walk out the door staring me blankly in the face and talking very low as if she doesn't want anyone to hear her, "If you believe in GOD, go to your pastor and have them pray for you so no evil spirits can harm you when this is happening."

Me: "Okay."

She opens the door all the way and we walk out and she says (loudly), "Have a great day."

I'm in total shock . I never thought that a doctor would even admit that this is possible let alone talk about evil spirits and the supernatural...however I do live in the south (Bible Belt) .

I don't know if this matters but my Doctor is a young female practitioner...probably mid 30's and background is family practice.

Wow, I read this report with great interest, wondering what your doctor is going to say. Initially, I thought it would be funny to test what they know on the subject but now I am shocked. Imagine all the poor souls in the world that experience something like this and get similar feedback. It also makes me wonder if she increased your medication due to your insomnia or her concerns about those "supernatural" things happening.

I'm so grateful places like DV exist so we can dispell some of the myths.

Originally Posted by NyxCC

Wow, I read this report with great interest, wondering what your doctor is going to say. Initially, I thought it would be funny to test what they know on the subject but now I am shocked. Imagine all the poor souls in the world that experience something like this and get similar feedback. It also makes me wonder if she increased your medication due to your insomnia or her concerns about those other supernatural things happening.

I'm so grateful places like DV exist so we can dispell some of the myths.

That is why I posted it NyxCC! I wanted to see if Medical Doctors are aware that this can happen to people who are not near death and what would they do if a patient is talking about these types of symptoms. I was shocked because she was asking me about the symptoms...almost like she knew exactly what I was talking about (like it happens to her). I don't think she up my dosage because of what I was saying. I had previously set the appointment because the medication she has me on is not working and I told her that sometimes I have to take two pills instead of one. She told me I am too small (weight wise) to be taking two pills and she said if up the dosage that would take care of taking only one pill at a time.