Short rapid meditation ! New technique ?

**VagalTone** · 01-09-2014 08:45 PM

Just check this

This guy comes up with a good idea, imo, but not really new.. Thoughts ?

edit: 400 hundred posts of mine..nice !

**ParadoxOwl** · 01-10-2014 12:07 AM

Can't do it laying down...seriously?

I have a disability that makes it impossible to sit up in bed especially when alone in the middle of the night...very nice tutorial but I would like an explanation as to why laying down "will not work" or an alternative.

**VagalTone** · 01-10-2014 01:45 AM

Yup, he doesn't say much more but i think it is just because it requires more willpower and so intention gets stronger. But supine meditation is also meditation, so i would do it. You can try to ask him on YT.

**Aziq** · 01-11-2014 12:24 AM

Originally Posted by jackc45

Can't do it laying down...seriously?

I have a disability that makes it impossible to sit up in bed especially when alone in the middle of the night...very nice tutorial but I would like an explanation as to why laying down "will not work" or an alternative.

Might be because you'll fall asleep too easily? I'm not sure why exactly but that'd be my guess. Though by all means you can just as well give it a shot, right? There's nothing much to lose is there

**LouaiB** · 01-17-2014 04:49 AM

So, WBTB + autosuggestion. I'D RATHER USE MILD.

lol, Nakid means being "complanative-negative-grumpy" in arabic

**Athylus** · 01-17-2014 09:55 PM

Originally Posted by jackc45

Can't do it laying down...seriously?

I have a disability that makes it impossible to sit up in bed especially when alone in the middle of the night...very nice tutorial but I would like an explanation as to why laying down "will not work" or an alternative.

Hey Jack, I tend to sit down on my chair when I meditate, it works great and supports my back as well. Give it a shot.

**ParadoxOwl** · 01-17-2014 11:29 PM

Originally Posted by Athylus

Hey Jack, I tend to sit down on my chair when I meditate, it works great and supports my back as well. Give it a shot.

Thanks for the idea Athylus but unfortunately I cant actually transfer myself either, with enough practice I'm pretty sure I can meditate laying down, anything is possible ;D

**Athylus** · 01-18-2014 12:28 PM

Originally Posted by jackc45

Thanks for the idea Athylus but unfortunately I cant actually transfer myself either, with enough practice I'm pretty sure I can meditate laying down, anything is possible ;D

Yeah, do whatever feels good for you! I found a guided meditation that I did while laying down and it was pretty good tbh, but I personally prefer without guidance.

**VagalTone** · 01-25-2014 07:14 PM

I think this technique emphasizes the importance of micro WBTBs. But having to wake up and sit on bed for 15 minutes every sleep cycle, it´s discouraging.

I think simply writing down on DJ and then falling asleep with some awareness might be quite as effective, or even better because you are backing up your dreams.

**LouaiB** · 01-28-2014 08:30 PM

I find a long WBTB much better than a few minutes. Why not do an hour WBTB if you can? It gives more awareness.

**FryingMan** · 01-28-2014 10:04 PM

Originally Posted by LouaiB

I find a long WBTB much better than a few minutes. Why not do an hour WBTB if you can? It gives more awareness.

After 5 months of LD practice, I find I really dislike being awake at night. I'd rather be dreaming. So I do my awareness work during the day. And as VagalTone says, just record dreams and head right back to sleep at night, unless I'm trying a classical WILD, which I do only once in a while (since....I dislike losing sleep!). Just journaling for a few minutes gets me very awake, especially at about the 5-6 hour mark, so getting up for more doesn't seem to help. Everyone's different, an hour does not necessarily mean more awareness than 5 minutes, not for everybody at least. That's the point of the micro-WBTB: stay up only enough so that you still can fall back to sleep, and raise awareness at the same time.

**LouaiB** · 01-29-2014 03:15 AM

Originally Posted by FryingMan

After 5 months of LD practice, I find I really dislike being awake at night. I'd rather be dreaming. So I do my awareness work during the day. And as VagalTone says, just record dreams and head right back to sleep at night, unless I'm trying a classical WILD, which I do only once in a while (since....I dislike losing sleep!). Just journaling for a few minutes gets me very awake, especially at about the 5-6 hour mark, so getting up for more doesn't seem to help. Everyone's different, an hour does not necessarily mean more awareness than 5 minutes, not for everybody at least. That's the point of the micro-WBTB: stay up only enough so that you still can fall back to sleep, and raise awareness at the same time.

oh ok. I need a long WBTB so I would become aware. An hour, then MILD. It seems to work for me. I am almost gonna hit the 5 month mark! Now I am full power practicing. I took this month off to study LDing so I can continue with confidence, and now I am confident.
Question: If I keep practicing, for years, will I reach the LD each night status? Or are some people unable to do that? Sorry off-topic, but it's bin haunting me!

**FryingMan** · 01-29-2014 03:42 AM

Originally Posted by LouaiB

Question: If I keep practicing, for years, will I reach the LD each night status? Or are some people unable to do that? Sorry off-topic, but it's bin haunting me!

Know you *will*, and that it won't take years. Set incremental, reachable, but aggressive goals each month, and constantly re-evaluate and re-set new goals. LaBerge writes that goal setting is proven incredibly powerful for mental performance. Heck, just look at the DV competitions (next one coming up!), tons of people (including me) get huge spikes to lucid frequency during those. Try to capture that "competition" feeling on an ongoing basis! Keep burning those LD-inducing neural pathways, and they will come more frequently, longer, more stable, etc. KNOW it.