Thread: Stop Drop and Roll. Why Lucidology and Nicholas Newport are creating misinformation.

Originally Posted by debrajane

It is past midnight now here so I'm off to bed.

I've been watching my old 101 download and pulled out some exerts. Here they are:

37 minute 101 download, long before it was chopped-up and put on YouTube.

(00:25) Welcome to volume one of "The How to have Lucid Dreams and have Out of Body Experiences presentation series". In this presentation you'll learn how to trick your body into falling asleep to enter a Lucid Dream. (...)

...To keep your mind awake while you fall asleep.

...So you can fall asleep quickly but without falling so far asleep that you can't become Lucid.

(1:16) Are you aware that you are in a dream and do you remember that your body is asleep in bed?.

(1:33) It is by consciously remembering that your body is really asleep in bed that you go the full circle to become Lucid.

(2:42) Sleep paralysis is the protection mechanism that the body uses when you sleep.

(3:13) But we're going to learn about entering a state called "mind-awake, body-asleep" in which we will remain aware and feel what it's like to watch the body shut-down and put itself to sleep.

(3:45) When you enter full-sleep-paralysis (...) you will still be able to move your eyes and look around and control your breathing.

(4:05) The basic strategy is to trick the body into thinking its already asleep.

(4:30) Normally, if you're awake and you feel that you should fill-over, you just do it without thinking

(4:35) If the mind is asleep then the message is not acted on and the body knows it's safe to shut down (into sleep paralysis).

(5:25) The "roll-over-signal" is just one of the words in the body's language.

(5:27) Another word in this language is "to keep the eye's extremely still".

The body expects to be still for a long period before it (initiates sleep paralysis). But, inactivity in the eyes makes the bigest in fooling the body (into initiating sleep paralysis).

(5:55) If you close your eyes and try to keep them still you'll find that after about 30 seconds they're still twitching very slightly. It is not easy to totally relax the eyes. However, if you can keep them at complete ease for several minutes the body will interpret that as a signal that the mind may have fallen asleep.

So,

In order to practice falling asleep quickly, when you go to sleep at night, put special attention on the eyes and let them relax deeply until there is no tension in them at all.

It may take several nights of practice but once you get the feeling for having "very relaxed eyes" it becomes much easier to relax them again.

(6:33) You should practice getting a feeling for what the eyes feel like when you first wake-up in the morning before you even open your eyes.

In fact practicing not moving at all when you first wake-up is a good Lucid Dreaming skill. Often times if you have not moved at all when you wake-up you can relax directly back into your most recent dream and slip into paralysis again.

(that's from the first 7 minutes of my 37 minute 101 down-load.)

Past midnight here, so, night-night.

really, Really, REALLY now i'm not as good as people at lucid dreaming on here but it seems to me that all he is doing is just DDDDDDRRRRRAAAAAGGGGGIIIIINNNNNGGGGG out the technique we call a WILD which was invented by stephen la berge which really gives no justice to him saying " oh all the other techniques didn't work here come try mine!!!" all he is really saying is "don't move too much when you wild and now here come buy this bullshit program i invented and no one else is a good as me"

that is really the message i got from that video

Originally Posted by WLLPEREGOY

really, Really, REALLY now i'm not as good as people at lucid dreaming on here but it seems to me that all he is doing is just DDDDDDRRRRRAAAAAGGGGGIIIIINNNNNGGGGG out the technique we call a WILD which was invented by stephen la berge which really gives no justice to him saying " oh all the other techniques didn't work here come try mine!!!" all he is really saying is "don't move too much when you wild and now here come buy this bullshit program i invented and no one else is a good as me"

that is really the message i got from that video

Stephen LaBerge didn't invent the WILD technique, he just changed the words and the terms so he could claim he invented it. People have been doing it for thousands of years. It is called Yoga Nidra (Yogic Sleep) in India, it is called many things in many cultures. I will compromise and say that Stephen LaBerge rediscovered it and shared with us his understanding and methods, much like this Nick Newport guy does. Stephen LaBerge also sells books where he shares his techniques. I would never buy a book or CD by either Stephen LaBerge or Nick Newport because I don't need to. I also rediscovered how to WILD as a child (that rhymes) and had my own method. I did not know the scientific explanations, but that didn't matter, because I was a child and I knew how to do it. I tried to teach a few people in high school. I didn't ask for money though. But I don't think that it is wrong to make a living sharing your techniques that work, even if the techniques have been around before in different language. Some people benefit from a different point of view. Maybe it is his style of marketing that repels y'all. Maybe you should blame his agent.

So I heard that he now shares it for free? Good for him. I don't know hardly anything about him, but on the surface his technique seems very similar to mine that I discovered by myself as a child. So, if I hadn't discovered it for myself, his techniques would have probably helped me achieve lucidity faster than other techniques. There needs to be a variety and diversity of techniques for different minds.