Inception Flaws

[Baron Samedi]

Here I will review the theory of dreaming behind Inception, its accuracies and flaws. Shared Dreaming Inception introduces the idea of shared dreaming which is real. But, the dream plane is another plane of existence, greater than a meeting minds, therefore an "architect" is not necessary for shared dreaming. Dream Control In Inception Dream Control is limited to dreamscaping (what the "architects" do) and shapeshifting (what the "forger" does), and there is a hint of summoning. Sadly, no one flies. In dreams, you can do much more than that. And why do they all use guns? Most people use swords or magic in dreams. Much cooler. Guns are boring. Dream Traveling In Inception you go into a dream within a dream within a dream. While this is possible, dream traveling is unlimited. You can go anywhere. Drugs and Machines Drugs and machines are not necessary, but they help. When we become cyborgs, the internet is going to mesh with the dream plane, and that will be insane. DC'S attacking outsiders and the Dreamer This may or may not happen, but is not automatic. DC's may do anything. Inception Yes, Inception is possible. Going into a dream within a dream within a dream is a way of burrowing into someone's Inner World, but you will find greater resistance as you go down, and you may feel like you are going insane and will probably lose lucidity. Extraction This is also possible, but you never know if the information is true. Plus, it would be very hard to have the presence of mind to ask factual left brained questions about waking life. Dying in Dreams If you die in a dream, you may or may not wake up. Dying is not necessary for waking up. Dreaming of the Dead When you dream of a dead person, in the movie, it is always a DC. In real life, it could be a DC, or it could be them. Killing Dreamers Killing dreamers is possible, but it doesn't have anything to do with drugs. If you make someone have a nightmare that has a heart condition, they may have a heart attack in their sleep and die. This is very hard to do, and I don't recommend it, because it's bad karma. The reason I am stating that this is possible is because I want people to know the Canadian-American-Mexican-Russian secret government has within its new Stargate Remote Viewing CIA program, (now it has a different name, they always "dismantle the program" then rename it), has within it a secret Dream Corps of Dream Assassins. I do not know whether they can kill people through dreams yet, though this is their ultimate goal. To an assassin, killing through dreams is considered the ultimate kill, because there is absolutely no way you can be prosecuted for it. You may think I am crazy, and that's fine. Go ahead and research MKULTRA, and Stargate. I don't care if people think I am crazy any more. The year 2012 is coming, and it's time to be aware of the truth hidden beneath the lies. Waking Life Inception Waking Life Inception happens all the time. The movie itself proves this. Creating Dreams for Others to be in Let me clarify the difference between creating dream bubbles and dreamscaping. Dreamscaping is altering the landscape of a dream, such as making an island rise out of the sea. Creating Dream Bubbles is creating an entire dream. You create the dream bubble, and place it around the dreamer, and now they are inside a new dream of your creation. The Dream Corps Yes, there is a secret Dream Corps of Dream Assassins. Inception and Extraction they already do, but as far as actually killing someone, I do not know if they have succeeded, though they always try. There is no way for me to prove this to you. I have this information from dreams. Anyway, these were people originally recruited to be Remote Viewers and spy on the enemy, but they were found to be more adept on the Dream Plane than the Astral Plane (which is where Remote Viewing takes place.) These dreamers were secretly recruited to be in this Dream Warrior Corps with the ultimate goal of killing other dreamers. Meanwhile they appeared to be fired from their jobs, quit, or even dead in waking life. They are paired off, a man and a woman, for the shared dreaming energy balances with both genders, though they appear (at least to me) as a pair of men in black suits with black sunglasses. They are part of modern day Templars AKA New World Order. The New World Order is a North American/European secret government with a goal to create a One World Government. They are cultic, and worship Baphomet. Elements of the New World Order: Bilderbeger Group, Trilateral Commission, Council on Foreign Relations, 9/11 Commission, United Nations, World Bank, International Monetary Fund, The Freemasons, The Federal Reserve, IRS, CIA.

[Tranquil Toad]

Well I agree with you it wasn't an accurate portrayal of lucid dreaming, if it had included all those things you mentioned it wouldn't have made for as good as a movie. Having all those rules that inception placed on the dream world allowed for more tension. If the characters could just fly everywhere, walk through walls, make islands rise out of the sea and were using light sabers and fireballs it wouldn't really be the same experience that is was. That being said, I did wish it was a bit "weirder." It would have been cool if they had explored bizarre dream physics a bit more, similar to the scenes where Ariadne was experimenting at the beginning of the movie.

[nina]

Perhaps, exercise more caution when stating your beliefs as facts. Or make sure to have sources to back up your claims. Since I already know you and where you're coming from, I was able to follow your points easily enough...but I'm worried that some of your statements will confuse the n00bs. If it weren't for that, though, I think it could have been a nice thread.

[ReachingForTheDream]

It's true that there are a lot of flaws towards dreaming in Inception, however, like Tranquil Toad stated, there would be virtually no interest or complexity in the story without those rules. If everyone could just throw around magic and then magically heal themselves, there's not much to watch, nor any suspense of any kind. Also, don't know what the hell your conspiracy theory has to do with Inception, but anywho...

[saltyseedog]

lol my exact thoughts as I watched the movie

[Zephyrus]

Guns are boring. :O whats not boring about guns!

[Zephyrus]

:O whats not boring about guns! whats boring about guns*

[Baron Samedi]

whats boring about guns* I meant in the sense that not many people shoot guns in dreams. So, most people must think guns are boring weapons, at least the people on DV whose dream journals I read. Look at your current goal: Extreme Pyrokinesis. Nothing about a gun there. Hmm....

[Awakening]

Nice thoughts about dreaming itself and world's warlords plans. Though the one world government already exists, just its underground...

[Man of Shred]

I've pulled off inception.

[Zephyrus]

I meant in the sense that not many people shoot guns in dreams. So, most people must think guns are boring weapons, at least the people on DV whose dream journals I read. Look at your current goal: Extreme Pyrokinesis. Nothing about a gun there. Hmm.... yer, that's cause summoning weapons are on my to do list, its just that pyrokinesis is first

[Rozollo]

Inception never references lucid dreaming directly, so it's unfair to hold it up to the lucid dream theory that we know. I thought the story and acting were phenomenal.

[Baron Samedi]

Nice thoughts about dreaming itself and world's warlords plans. Though the one world government already exists, just its underground... yes. I've pulled off inception. I don't believe you. Wait.... yes I do.

[Maeni]

... Uhm... It's a movie, I don't think they ever wanted to stick to what is actually possible, their motive is to make a good movie, and they simply needed to make those modifications to make the movie dramatic and meaningful. While I was reading through the thread, a reply materialised in my head, about how the entire thread was, while well written, pretty damn stupid, because there's really no reason, since it's already obvious that the way dreams work in Inception is nothing like the way dreams actually work. But then I reached the point you call "Killing Dreamers", and my idea of a reply was shattered because that was just weird. To begin with, it seemed like you were taking out the wrongs (Which could have been considered myths, if people thought that was how things actually worked IRL.) and replacing them with facts. But this was not what you did, what you actually did was, you took out the wrongs (Let's call them myths), and replaced them with spirituality, conspiracy theory and other things that you cannot completely prove. And since you cannot completely prove those things, guess what some people would call them? Myths! So, in short, to me it seemed like you took out all the "myths" which were already obvious to me that they weren't real, and replaced them with stuff that was even harder to believe. And as the others said, if Inception was made to be a realistic portrayal of how lucid dreaming works, it would be extremely random, chaotic and probably without any comprehendible plot. That is the reason why they enhanced reality and made dreaming work in the way that would benefit the movie. Nobody is actually trying to make anyone think that lucid dreaming actually works that way.

[juroara]

I'm totally down with you! I think the movie was BORING in comparison to how much fun it could have been if they really explored what dreams are worth. Gun fighting = LAME! The defying gravity fight was cool, and closer to how unusual dreams can be. (not to mention that actor is seriously hot) I also found it really frustrating that they made all DCs these white blood cells that just attack any intruder. Eh, I don't think DCs work that way.

[stprue]

Hello all I am new to the forum or any forums like it and I can see some knowledge in some of the posts I have read but the profile pictures seem to be...well...not what I would expect yet the replies (most of them seem educated) are pretty informative. I am not trying to make waves just trying to get a feel of the audience here!

[Rozollo]

I'm totally down with you! I think the movie was BORING in comparison to how much fun it could have been if they really explored what dreams are worth. Gun fighting = LAME! The defying gravity fight was cool, and closer to how unusual dreams can be. (not to mention that actor is seriously hot) I also found it really frustrating that they made all DCs these white blood cells that just attack any intruder. Eh, I don't think DCs work that way. The movie wasn't based on lucid dreams as they exist. The point of the movie was that the architect had to create a dream that was close enough to reality so the dreamer would be unaware they were dreaming, and extraction would be easier. The movie isn't about how dreams work, but it was a character study about how a man can become controlled by guilt. To miss the core message for the logistical meaning is foolish (now, if this was a rant on Avatar, I'm locked and loaded).

[iDreambig]

Reading through everything, this is without doubt the stupidest thread ive seen on dreamviews. Go watch the movie again and figure out what you missed. The point of the architect was to a dream as close to reality as possible. What would be the point in making a realistic world and then just using magic and teleportation and other crap that is unrealistic? It defeats the purpose completely and inception would be impossible. The DCs only attack like white blood cells ONLY when they feel someone is messing around in that subjects mind. Ie: building bridges and changing things. I'm sorry, but you should consider deleting this, this is just pointless. Inception was in no way meant to portray lucid dreaming and its rules.

[Baron Samedi]

This is not a review of the movie. Notice there is not comment on the acting, directing, plot, or any other cinematic elements. @fanboys: LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL

[floatinghead]

I actually found the film to be pretty disappointing, it had so much potential but just ended up being your standard heist movie, I was waiting for at least some kind of a twist, and that never came - VERY predictable. BTW that WAS a review of the movie!

[thomulf]

cool views... it would be better if backed up with evidence... have you done all these things yourself (no offrence, im sure youve done most and i firmly believe in all that's LD)

[juroara]

Reading through everything, this is without doubt the stupidest thread ive seen on dreamviews. Go watch the movie again and figure out what you missed. The point of the architect was to a dream as close to reality as possible. What would be the point in making a realistic world and then just using magic and teleportation and other crap that is unrealistic? It defeats the purpose completely and inception would be impossible. The DCs only attack like white blood cells ONLY when they feel someone is messing around in that subjects mind. Ie: building bridges and changing things. I'm sorry, but you should consider deleting this, this is just pointless. Inception was in no way meant to portray lucid dreaming and its rules. Maybe YOU should re-read the thread and consider what you just said Here I will review the theory of dreaming behind Inception, its accuracies and flaws. Not everyone watching the movie Inception has any idea what dreaming and lucid dreaming is all about. Lots of people watching the movie can potentially walk away with false ideas about lucid dreaming and false ideas about shared dreaming. And, many of the reviews tied Inception to lucid dreaming anyways

[Baron Samedi]

cool views... it would be better if backed up with evidence... have you done all these things yourself (no offrence, im sure youve done most and i firmly believe in all that's LD) All what things? What do you mean by evidence? Maybe YOU should re-read the thread and consider what you just said Not everyone watching the movie Inception has any idea what dreaming and lucid dreaming is all about. Lots of people watching the movie can potentially walk away with false ideas about lucid dreaming and false ideas about shared dreaming. And, many of the reviews tied Inception to lucid dreaming anyways You get the secret prize of Nothing. You figured out why I wrote this. Inception was all about lucid dreaming even though they deliberately avoided using the term. Lucid dreaming is the main theme of Inception. If others would rather talk about the movie itself rather than its dreaming concepts, please post that in a new thread. I am uninterested whether people thought it was "good" or "bad," "entertaining" or "boring."

[nina]

Nomad, you seem to have entirely missed the point that most people are addressing. What they have issues with is you taking these things from Inception and comparing them to YOUR beliefs about the dream plane and shared dreaming...yet you make these statements as if they are factual. They are not. The evidence that is being asked for is evidence for the following statements in bold (just to point out a few)... Yes, Inception is possible. Going into a dream within a dream within a dream is a way of burrowing into someone's Inner World, but you will find greater resistance as you go down, and you may feel like you are going insane and will probably lose lucidity. Extraction This is also possible, but you never know if the information is true. Plus, it would be very hard to have the presence of mind to ask factual left brained questions about waking life. Dying in Dreams If you die in a dream, you may or may not wake up. Dying is not necessary for waking up. Killing dreamers is possible, but it doesn't have anything to do with drugs. If you make someone have a nightmare that has a heart condition, they may have a heart attack in their sleep and die. This is very hard to do, and I don't recommend it, because it's bad karma. Creating Dream Bubbles is creating an entire dream. You create the dream bubble, and place it around the dreamer, and now they are inside a new dream of your creation. Yes, there is a secret Dream Corps of Dream Assassins. Inception and Extraction they already do, but as far as actually killing someone, I do not know if they have succeeded, though they always try. I like you nomad, and I don't want to offend you, but to state your outlandish opinions and beliefs as facts such as you have done is pretty ridiculous. I don't think anything that you claim can be substantiated with factual evidence. It's fine to believe in all that stuff...just don't be surprised when people ask for evidence about the things you are claiming. Or just learn to present your arguments in a different manner. You can't say that one thing is wrong, and that what you say is right when there is absolutely nothing to support your claim. That's what nesgirl used to do. Don't be like nesgirl.

[Man of Shred]

What constitutes factual evidence? Science? We all know how biased science can be.