Thread: Spiritual entities on the dream plane

Originally Posted by Hukif

Something like "Lets go to the koi pond and get a group healing, come get me at place and we can go from there" something like that.

Oh, for WILD to be a WILD, you have to fall asleep, it is tricky since as you said, at its baby stages it is deep thought, but as you get deeper and deeper into it, it will become a dream. It is just more tricky, a lot more. But it isn't all that hit-or-miss at the start.

Ok then, I am not really the master of LDing. Though once I master both of these induction techniques and find any of these DCs I will examine any differences they will impose on the DCs, and I would urge others to as well. You know, just in case.

Everyone should post it in a locked-place where you can't see the posts of the others, and then un-lock it after a year, that would be cool to see.

Originally Posted by Hukif

Everyone should post it in a locked-place where you can't see the posts of the others, and then un-lock it after a year, that would be cool to see.

Like we each find DCs thereof, and post various details and adventures of such?

Yup, sounds fun and can serve to see if DCs behave similarly with different dreamers/dreams/personalities, and if not, still fun!

Originally Posted by Hukif

Yup, sounds fun and can serve to see if DCs behave similarly with different dreamers/dreams/personalities, and if not, still fun!

Yea, we should do that. But have a yearly one, and one that is revealed every month.

True, it would be a pain to read a whole year of dreaming... like separate it by how important the dreamer think it feels. Week, month, year. Not much, some, much, something like that, don't know.

Originally Posted by Hukif

True, it would be a pain to read a whole year of dreaming... like separate it by how important the dreamer think it feels. Week, month, year. Not much, some, much, something like that, don't know.

Yea, would we be able to do that?

Maybe, don't think DV can be used for that though, too difficult to implement. Easier to just save the stuff in a word-archive and then post it all at once at a random site. Not like the lock matters much, people can communicate outside of it so word is just as useful.

Hmm, on the DS topic, we should ALL master LDing every night, find these DCs, then decide to all DS one night, meet at a certain place, don't plan anything put where you are going to meet, and get a closer understanding on if it is true or not. Oh yea, try to hold back on posting about our DCs until after the test.

Originally Posted by MIIISTERNEUGIT

Hmm, on the DS topic, we should ALL master LDing every night, find these DCs, then decide to all DS one night, meet at a certain place, don't plan anything put where you are going to meet, and get a closer understanding on if it is true or not. Oh yea, try to hold back on posting about our DCs until after the test.

thats like saying lets go on vacation together in the Bahamas but everyone pick a random island, we would probably not see each other. i have a theory to prove it though. You say where we are going to meet, then you will ask a question to that person, they will say an answer. Vice versa. We all go on a chat room together and at once, post our results. Therefore the data can not be distorted, if someone does not remember then they are dismissed from the chatroom and the experiment. However, if you supposedly "see them," this does not disprove DSing but only proves that DC's can still be there while in a DS realm or plane.

Now to disprove it. How can you DS with someone that lives 6 time zones away from you? It does not make sense to how how a person like nomad that lives in Hawaii and Hyu, who lives in the EU, could possibly DS because they are sleeping at different times. And also, Mister, earlier you said that the brain maybe able to give off and receive signals from other brains like wireless devices do. Remember that these devices use radio waves to communicate, and our brains would have to also. If that was the case we would all have brain tumors by the time we were 10 years old. That dose of radiation everyday would be fatal.

Originally Posted by Suicideking

Now to disprove it. How can you DS with someone that lives 6 time zones away from you? It does not make sense to how how a person like nomad that lives in Hawaii and Hyu, who lives in the EU, could possibly DS because they are sleeping at different times. And also, Mister, earlier you said that the brain maybe able to give off and receive signals from other brains like wireless devices do. Remember that these devices use radio waves to communicate, and our brains would have to also. If that was the case we would all have brain tumors by the time we were 10 years old. That dose of radiation everyday would be fatal.

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Originally Posted by Suicideking

Now to disprove it. How can you DS with someone that lives 6 time zones away from you? It does not make sense to how how a person like nomad that lives in Hawaii and Hyu, who lives in the EU, could possibly DS because they are sleeping at different times. And also, Mister, earlier you said that the brain maybe able to give off and receive signals from other brains like wireless devices do. Remember that these devices use radio waves to communicate, and our brains would have to also. If that was the case we would all have brain tumors by the time we were 10 years old. That dose of radiation everyday would be fatal.

1. I have put some deep thought into the fact that REM may not line up, or that they may not even be sleeping at the same time. A possible thing would be, when you decide to have a SD the subconscious part of your brains communicate and decide the basic details of the dream, then when you are dreaming you fill in any gaps that may exist (leading to some different details in each others dreams).

Another possible explanation is that 1) Your brains communicate while dreaming to actually truly share the dream 2) The person who would have dream't first created all of the details, then sent it to the other person, pretty much just showing them your dream.

Yet another possible explanation is that maybe the human mind has some way of sending data to different times (Scientifically not the most likely), and would explain psychics and DejaVu.



2. What if the brain uses some other way of transmitting the information that we haven't discovered yet. It could be ultra fast, able to send extreme amounts of data at once, and be able to send data to different times for all we know. This possibility would disprove "Well we don't detect any transmissions from human brains".



Just to be sure, you believe in these possibilities, but you are posting a skeptical point of view as well to preserve the point of this thread?



Also, in my previous post I said to meet at a certain place, so yeeeeaaaaaaa.

Mario92:.............you got me there

Mister: stepping back from my devils advocate POV i do agree that the dream plane is just a collaboration of thoughts humans throw into the plane every night, thats why dreams dont make sense and are never lined up correctly with anything, (I.E. i had a dream of cavemen shooting shotguns at zombies) someone dream'pt of zombies, another cavemen, and a last thought of shotguns. Then my soul went into the plane and contributed a nonsensical storm of ideas to the dream and I eventually woke-up. As heavily non-spiritual entities now, (humans nowadays dont really believe in anything spiritual I.E. atheists and what not) most spirits are not very fined tuned that come from Earth, as we have forgotten about them during our daily lives. As a result most of us act like spiritual babies when it comes to ideas and expression on a higher level then the physical.

Back to my non-believer standpoint: You still cant prove anything when it comes to communication. Is a ring going to go off in my head and say "You got Thoughts!"

P.S. please dont take anything personally that I say while in my Non-believer POV. (Im trying to be the best asshole i can be to try and prove you guys wrong)

Excuse me but atheist limit themselves to not believing in a god. Spirits, souls, dragons and the rest can be part of their beliefs.

Hooray for agnosticism, believer in "fuck this I just don't know sheeaht."

Anyways, I'm having weak LD's more frequently. Once I train myself up to more vivid and controlled LD's I can "test" some of these things.

Also, the wireless stuff. It doesn't have to be radio waves. All electromagnetic waves (also called light) such as radio, infrared, etc can be used for wireless communication. For instance, wifi and bluetooth are microwaves.

File:EM spectrum.svg - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Originally Posted by Rawracookie

Hooray for agnosticism, believer in "fuck this I just don't know sheeaht."

My friend was actually just telling me what agnosticism was a few days ago. I think thats the best way to look at everything. Just see everything as a mystery rather than deciding a belief and just not questioning anything anymore and forgetting about it. People act like they know everything already and they just sit back like there's nothing more to learn.

Of course, all sides (lolwut? sides? we're all human, right?) can be closed minded and stubborn at times. It's just that the extremes get all the bad rap for it.

Here's a poem I like: YouTube - Tim Minchin's Storm the Animated Movie

"I'll be embarrassed as hell, but I'LL CHANGE MY MIND." or so...

Originally Posted by saltyseedog

My friend was actually just telling me what agnosticism was a few days ago. I think thats the best way to look at everything. Just see everything as a mystery rather than deciding a belief and just not questioning anything anymore and forgetting about it. People act like they know everything already and they just sit back like there's nothing more to learn.

Fuck this debate again. Agnosticism isn't a belief, it's a factor in belief, or the lack thereof. >.>

what i was gonna do to prove Shared Dreaming was do it with someone with more experience, tell them my real name in the dream, then ask them what my real name is in RL.

"If it's not real
You can't hold it in your hand head
You can't feel it with your heart
And I won't believe it
But if it's true
You can see it with your eyes
Oh even in the dark"

You are probably wondering "Why did you post these random words?". Well, they are from a song ("Brick by Boring Brick" by Paramore), and they demonstrate my views on everything. I bet you are waiting for an explanation, I will put one below in spoilers, but I want you to try to figure it out first.








---A while later---

Spoiler for Explanation:

"Real" simply means what you see it to be, how you perceive it.

When you are dreaming, everything you see is "real" because technically it does exist in some form, and you perceive it.

That said, are these DCs real? Hell yeah. Are they spiritual? We don't know.
That said, are you actually real? We don't know (for sure). We could all be inside a dream, and it will be absolutely impossible to prove it wrong. We could never know.

Spoiler for Insanity (Not part of my point):

So, what if like these DCs (assume that they are real entities for the moment) we are characters inside a dream, some of us entities like these DCs, some just imagined fake characters, and maybe or maybe not; a dreamer, a person that contains and controls these characters.

Yes I know, at this point I have gone off topic and have definitely shown you I am not an entirely sane person. But just try to understand what I mean, that we do have to slightly change our way of thinking to start trying to uncover the truth about these entities.

I don't see how that makes you insane, so long as you don't see it as a 100% fact and try to shove it down peoples throat...
In fact, I think of all DCs as real while dreaming, because in a dream, me as well as them are but parts of my brain (Yeah, I believe that), and as such, everyone is equal to me. That includes non-human DC of course, which is one of the reasons why I tend to kill human DC.

Originally Posted by MIIISTERNEUGIT

You are probably wondering "Why did you post these random words?". Well, they are from a song ("Brick by Boring Brick" by Paramore), and they demonstrate my views on everything. I bet you are waiting for an explanation, I will put one below in spoilers, but I want you to try to figure it out first.







---A while later---

Spoiler for Explanation:

"Real" simply means what you see it to be, how you perceive it.

When you are dreaming, everything you see is "real" because technically it does exist in some form, and you perceive it.

That said, are these DCs real? Hell yeah. Are they spiritual? We don't know.
That said, are you actually real? We don't know (for sure). We could all be inside a dream, and it will be absolutely impossible to prove it wrong. We could never know.

Spoiler for Insanity (Not part of my point):

So, what if like these DCs (assume that they are real entities for the moment) we are characters inside a dream, some of us entities like these DCs, some just imagined fake characters, and maybe or maybe not; a dreamer, a person that contains and controls these characters.

Yes I know, at this point I have gone off topic and have definitely shown you I am not an entirely sane person. But just try to understand what I mean, that we do have to slightly change our way of thinking to start trying to uncover the truth about these entities.

*clutches head* ARGH!!!!!!! i'm getting tired of trying to figure this out. it's especially difficult when you only have a lucid dream like once or twice a month, coupled with the fact that most of my LDs are semi-lucids, and i can't even remember to try and do my goals. i'm considering just going back to my old belief, dreams are dreams and reality is reality, the two can never mix.

Originally Posted by Wristblade56

*clutches head* ARGH!!!!!!! i'm getting tired of trying to figure this out. it's especially difficult when you only have a lucid dream like once or twice a month, coupled with the fact that most of my LDs are semi-lucids, and i can't even remember to try and do my goals. i'm considering just going back to my old belief, dreams are dreams and reality is reality, the two can never mix.

Hey try having a lucid every 3 months, when you dedicate almost every waking second to it and fail every night. I attempted to WILD exactly 9 times this morning, but kept falling asleep before even hitting SP.

Though I am going to try again in an hour or so when my mind is completely awake, lets hope I succeed and find my SDC (I think thats what we should call it "Special Dream Character", because they are special on some level).