Thread: Spiritual entities on the dream plane

Originally Posted by MIIISTERNEUGIT

So, from my point of view, this could not possibly be a hoax.

Appeal from incredulity.

Originally Posted by PhantomLegend

Here's my first official attempt at meeting a spiritual entity.

Meeting My Scary Spirit Guide

This was both scary and creepy. The entity was not at all like I expected it to be. There I was, thinking I'd have some benevolent female spirit guide and then that experience happened.

After the dream, I didn't want to fall back asleep. I was just terrified of seeing the entity again. What creeped me out the most was the vibe it gave off. The picture in the entry kind of gives off that vibe as well. The atmosphere that I felt when the entity came into my room.

I wanted to talk to it and ask it questions, but once I felt that vibe, I was completely distracted from everything I wanted to originally do. I just wanted to get out of the paralysis in my lucid dream or wake up. Whichever would have been the fastest. Because it felt SO real as it was happening, I was terrified. When I woke up, I felt as if this experience truly just happened.

I'll try again in my next lucid. My paralysis prevented me from truly being able to carry out my goals.

That does sound kind of creepy.

Originally Posted by Mario92

Appeal from incredulity.

Oh my god, what do you want from me? I have looked at every piece of information, thought rather abstractly from various ways of thought, and it is my personal belief that such a DC is more than that. I am not being entirely stubborn, my mind is thinking of this some-what flexibly. And I admit, I am being slightly stubborn, due to my own personal beliefs, but everyone is at some level.

Is that good enough to get passed a conversation completely off topic, and get back on topic?

Originally Posted by MIIISTERNEUGIT

Oh my god, what do you want from me? I have looked at every piece of information, thought rather abstractly from various ways of thought, and it is my personal belief that such a DC is more than that. I am not being entirely stubborn, my mind is thinking of this some-what flexibly. And I admit, I am being slightly stubborn, due to my own personal beliefs, but everyone is at some level.

Is that good enough to get passed a conversation completely off topic, and get back on topic?

I want you to approach this rationally. I have little doubt that so-and-so experienced what they said they did. It's what they claim that experience to be that kinda irks me. You're going to have a damn hard time proving this (or indeed, collecting any valid evidence at all), because as of now, it is entirely subjective. There is no way to objectively prove this at this time. Science, therefore, goes out the window. You can believe whatever you like, but it is when you try to assert those beliefs as true, using bad or no evidence, that it miffs me.

Originally Posted by Mario92

I want you to approach this rationally. I have little doubt that so-and-so experienced what they said they did. It's what they claim that experience to be that kinda irks me. You're going to have a damn hard time proving this (or indeed, collecting any valid evidence at all), because as of now, it is entirely subjective. There is no way to objectively prove this at this time. Science, therefore, goes out the window. You can believe whatever you like, but it is when you try to assert those beliefs as true, using bad or no evidence, that it miffs me.

I don't care to prove it, as long as my inner self is happy with what I believe, then all is good. I understand that people may over-tell what they may have experienced. I don't need any hard evidence, I am happy believing it just by someone's own word. If I like it this way, then what does mean to you? Does it really matter? You don't exist in my head so don't worry about what I think. I do look at things from many sides, but as you said there is next to zero proven facts and details, so we can only go by our own imaginative beliefs and theories. I am not trying to force my ideals on anyone, I am simply putting them out there to hopefully assist others in creating their own. To allow them to see from many sides.

At this point of research (there is no research), nothing anyone says about it is true.

Originally Posted by MIIISTERNEUGIT

I don't care to prove it, as long as my inner self is happy with what I believe, then all is good. I understand that people may over-tell what they may have experienced. I don't need any hard evidence, I am happy believing it just by someone's own word. If I like it this way, then what does mean to you? Does it really matter? You don't exist in my head so don't worry about what I think. I do look at things from many sides, but as you said there is next to zero proven facts and details, so we can only go by our own imaginative beliefs and theories. I am not trying to force my ideals on anyone, I am simply putting them out there to hopefully assist others in creating their own. To allow them to see from many sides.

At this point of research (there is no research), nothing anyone says about it is true.

I refuse to have any belief at all until i see this with my own eyes. i'll look for an entity once in a while. but for the most part i'm going back to my original plans for lucid dreaming: fun, adventure, and freedom. i'll hang out with video game characters, enjoy superpowers, and every once in a while grab a minigun and go on a killing spree.

These spiritual entities are interesting wether they are actual real entities or a part of your subconcious. What's interesting me is that different persons talk with spiritual entities in their own dreams, ask questions and get basically the same answers. So to me it means they are either actual spiritual entities. Or they are a part of a brain function we all have and all share and that's why they share much of the same qualities. Either way i think we should take the information we get from these entities seriously and make use of their advice. Because in both cases i am positive they are able to teach you what it really means to be a human being on this planet.

Originally Posted by PhantomLegend

Here's my first official attempt at meeting a spiritual entity.

Meeting My Scary Spirit Guide

This was both scary and creepy. The entity was not at all like I expected it to be. There I was, thinking I'd have some benevolent female spirit guide and then that experience happened.

After the dream, I didn't want to fall back asleep. I was just terrified of seeing the entity again. What creeped me out the most was the vibe it gave off. The picture in the entry kind of gives off that vibe as well. The atmosphere that I felt when the entity came into my room.

I wanted to talk to it and ask it questions, but once I felt that vibe, I was completely distracted from everything I wanted to originally do. I just wanted to get out of the paralysis in my lucid dream or wake up. Whichever would have been the fastest. Because it felt SO real as it was happening, I was terrified. When I woke up, I felt as if this experience truly just happened.

I'll try again in my next lucid. My paralysis prevented me from truly being able to carry out my goals.

That is awesome! Go for it. Let fear guide you to ADVENTURE.

Originally Posted by MIIISTERNEUGIT

Oh my god, what do you want from me? I have looked at every piece of information, thought rather abstractly from various ways of thought, and it is my personal belief that such a DC is more than that. I am not being entirely stubborn, my mind is thinking of this some-what flexibly. And I admit, I am being slightly stubborn, due to my own personal beliefs, but everyone is at some level.

Is that good enough to get passed a conversation completely off topic, and get back on topic?

POSSIBILITIES TO OUR "CLAIMS'":
1)we are Lying
2) We same person
3) It's all coincidence
4) It's true

1) This could totally be true. But, the possibility of all these people lying is remote, because there are many many people that have confirmed shared dreams. (By confirmed I mean both people wrote the dreams down in their Dj's before talking to each other about their dreams.) This would be a massive conspiracy.

2) DV has already made sure we have different accounts and IP addresses when one person was suspicious that we were the same person.

3) It could definitely all be coincidence, but the probability is extremely tiny based on the dozens of accounts of shared dreams with incredibly descriptive detail by two or more people. If you have not read any of these accounts, you (the reader of this post) have no business trying to "scientifically" disprove shared dreaming for you have not examined the data. And, truly, if you were a scientific mind, you would examine all the data possible.

Now, naysayer, have you read the entire TWO shared dream Dream Journals with accounts from multiple dreamers? I do not believe any naysayer has. DATA

4) This is also a possibility any rational scientific mind should consider. Science is about seeking truth unbiased. Separate dogma from science.

Originally Posted by Dthoughts

These spiritual entities are interesting wether they are actual real entities or a part of your subconcious. What's interesting me is that different persons talk with spiritual entities in their own dreams, ask questions and get basically the same answers. So to me it means they are either actual spiritual entities. Or they are a part of a brain function we all have and all share and that's why they share much of the same qualities. Either way i think we should take the information we get from these entities seriously and make use of their advice. Because in both cases i am positive they are able to teach you what it really means to be a human being on this planet.

How very true.

Originally Posted by WakingNomad

POSSIBILITIES TO OUR "CLAIMS'":
1)we are Lying
2) We same person
3) It's all coincidence
4) It's true

1) This could totally be true. But, the possibility of all these people lying is remote, because there are many many people that have confirmed shared dreams. (By confirmed I mean both people wrote the dreams down in their Dj's before talking to each other about their dreams.) This would be a massive conspiracy.

2) DV has already made sure we have different accounts and IP addresses when one person was suspicious that we were the same person.

3) It could definitely all be coincidence, but the probability is extremely tiny based on the dozens of accounts of shared dreams with incredibly descriptive detail by two or more people. If you have not read any of these accounts, you (the reader of this post) have no business trying to "scientifically" disprove shared dreaming for you have not examined the data. And, truly, if you were a scientific mind, you would examine all the data possible.

Now, naysayer, have you read the entire TWO shared dream Dream Journals with accounts from multiple dreamers? I do not believe any naysayer has. DATA

4) This is also a possibility any rational scientific mind should consider. Science is about seeking truth unbiased. Separate dogma from science.

My thoughts exactly.
There are a few more ideas floating around my mind considering possibility 3) related to the similarity on how our minds work amongst other things,
but I mostly agree with everything said.
I fully agree that any rational and scientific person should consider all possibilities, and not jump to conclusions without any hard evidence. (obtaining which is rather problematic unfortunately)

Originally Posted by WakingNomad

That is awesome! Go for it. Let fear guide you to ADVENTURE.



POSSIBILITIES TO OUR "CLAIMS'":
1)we are Lying
2) We same person
3) It's all coincidence
4) It's true

1) This could totally be true. But, the possibility of all these people lying is remote, because there are many many people that have confirmed shared dreams. (By confirmed I mean both people wrote the dreams down in their Dj's before talking to each other about their dreams.) This would be a massive conspiracy.

2) DV has already made sure we have different accounts and IP addresses when one person was suspicious that we were the same person.

3) It could definitely all be coincidence, but the probability is extremely tiny based on the dozens of accounts of shared dreams with incredibly descriptive detail by two or more people. If you have not read any of these accounts, you (the reader of this post) have no business trying to "scientifically" disprove shared dreaming for you have not examined the data. And, truly, if you were a scientific mind, you would examine all the data possible.

Now, naysayer, have you read the entire TWO shared dream Dream Journals with accounts from multiple dreamers? I do not believe any naysayer has. DATA

4) This is also a possibility any rational scientific mind should consider. Science is about seeking truth unbiased. Separate dogma from science.

I am very aware that these "Special" DCs could be just a lie you guys made up, but there has been no proof yet and there's no way to know for sure.

Can we please get off the topic of me being too stubborn about this?

Originally Posted by MIIISTERNEUGIT

I am very aware that these "Special" DCs could be just a lie you guys made up, but there has been no proof yet and there's no way to know for sure.

Can we please get off the topic of me being too stubborn about this?

I never said anything about that.

Originally Posted by WakingNomad

That is awesome! Go for it. Let fear guide you to ADVENTURE.



POSSIBILITIES TO OUR "CLAIMS'":
1)we are Lying
2) We same person
3) It's all coincidence
4) It's true

1) This could totally be true. But, the possibility of all these people lying is remote, because there are many many people that have confirmed shared dreams. (By confirmed I mean both people wrote the dreams down in their Dj's before talking to each other about their dreams.) This would be a massive conspiracy.

2) DV has already made sure we have different accounts and IP addresses when one person was suspicious that we were the same person.

3) It could definitely all be coincidence, but the probability is extremely tiny based on the dozens of accounts of shared dreams with incredibly descriptive detail by two or more people. If you have not read any of these accounts, you (the reader of this post) have no business trying to "scientifically" disprove shared dreaming for you have not examined the data. And, truly, if you were a scientific mind, you would examine all the data possible.

Now, naysayer, have you read the entire TWO shared dream Dream Journals with accounts from multiple dreamers? I do not believe any naysayer has. DATA

4) This is also a possibility any rational scientific mind should consider. Science is about seeking truth unbiased. Separate dogma from science.

i'd hate to be like this but...

1. + 2.) Friends using proxies could easily bypass both of these, or just one person could use it. Not every1 on the internet tells the truth and to be frank when i see some theories on this site (that arent on this thread) i become extremely skeptical if these ppl are on drugs or just messing with us. Trolling reaches all corners of the internet, DV is not an exception.

3.) well we are about 98% the same to other humans in genetics so our brains work very similarly to each other.

I know some one said this on this site earlier or maybe on this thread so i quote them who is quoting Buddha.

“Believe nothing, no matter where you read it, or who said it, no matter if I have said it, unless it agrees with your own reason and your own common sense.” - Buddha
(this is how i feel sometimes on this site)

Originally Posted by Suicideking

i'd hate to be like this but...

1. + 2.) Friends using proxies could easily bypass both of these, or just one person could use it. Not every1 on the internet tells the truth and to be frank when i see some theories on this site (that arent on this thread) i become extremely skeptical if these ppl are on drugs or just messing with us. Trolling reaches all corners of the internet, DV is not an exception.

3.) well we are about 98% the same to other humans in genetics so our brains work very similarly to each other.

I know some one said this on this site earlier or maybe on this thread so i quote them who is quoting Buddha.

“Believe nothing, no matter where you read it, or who said it, no matter if I have said it, unless it agrees with your own reason and your own common sense.” - Buddha
(this is how i feel sometimes on this site)

Please try and converse with entities in your dreams, and report the results back here.

The point still stands after reading these, nomad. I can tell easily since I have read both fully and would still agree with suicide king, of course he was playing devils advocate, but yeah there are still some other explanations apart from the ones you showed.

Originally Posted by Hukif

The point still stands after reading these, nomad. I can tell easily since I have read both fully and would still agree with suicide king, of course he was playing devils advocate, but yeah there are still some other explanations apart from the ones you showed.

No. He agreed with me. People using proxies= lying.

Our brains being similar= coincidence.

It's true. We could all be lying, and it could all be coincidence.

@WakingNomad. I present you with this cookie for scientific behavior :

Yeah, notice the "i'd hate to be like this but"? Thats pretty much devils advocate on your last statement. Also, considering that around 70% of these dreams logged had a plan the day before, coincidence isn't that far off, even more so since MoSH actually said once that your dreams are the ones that match the others the least.
Brains being similar can't be used though, because then anyone with recall would report very similar dreams, so not usable. He also put that as an extension (1. +2 thingy), so yeah.

Originally Posted by Hukif

Yeah, notice the "i'd hate to be like this but"? Thats pretty much devils advocate on your last statement. Also, considering that around 70% of these dreams logged had a plan the day before, coincidence isn't that far off, even more so since MoSH actually said once that your dreams are the ones that match the others the least.
Brains being similar can't be used though, because then anyone with recall would report very similar dreams, so not usable. He also put that as an extension (1. +2 thingy), so yeah.

Originally Posted by Raven Knight
I was on the moon. I wasn't lucid. I looked around. I saw I wasn't alone there. Spike was there with me. I thought that was strange that I would find a vampire on the moon. I would have expected a werewolf instead of a vampire. I walked over towards Spike. He's hot. I kissed Spike. Spike said I was dreaming. I said I already knew he was a dream. He chuckled and said no, this is literally a dream. He said to wake up and become lucid. I looked into Spike's eyes and realized I was dreaming…

Spike and I were on the moon. Nothing else seemed to be going on. I spotted a woman. She saw us and came over. She asked if we had seen Nomad. I said no. I said he had probably been delayed by Chicken-Wuss. I said Chicken-Wuss is a glutton for punishment. It seems he just can't get his ass kicked enough. I said Nomad would make quick work of Chicken-Wuss and he should be here soon. As if on cue a portal opened and Nomad came through. He wasn't alone. He was being followed by three strange creatures. One looked like a giant bird thing. A second one looked like a dinosaur of some kind. The third one looked like a giant squid. Nomad landed near us. I asked him who his friends were. He said they weren't friends. I said I hadn't figured they were… I said I had the dibs on the flying type! I was thinking about pokémon battles and was certain flying type would be weak against lightning. I jumped into the air and took flight. I used the song Battery by Metallica to summon a bolt of lightning on the bird creature. The lightning hit the bird right in the face. The bird squawked and fell to the ground. It immediately righted itself and darted at me. I blocked the bird's beak with my Witchblade armor. I formed it into a sword and charged the sword with electricity. I attacked the bird again. This time I flew up on top of the creature and drove my sword directly into its head. I pulled the sword out of the bird's head and sliced through its neck to make sure the job was finished. My sword went about half way through the bird's neck. Spike was on the other side of the bird, also with a sword. He sliced the bird's neck the rest of the way through, effectively decapitating it. The bird's head fell to the ground and the bird fell over dead.

A foul odor reached my nose. I wondered if the bird thing had a foul odor when dead. I was thinking there seem to be a lot more instances where I would rather forgo dream smelling than instances where I enjoy it. I held my nose. That did no good. I turned just in time to see a huge Nomad slice what appeared to be a puking Chicken-Wuss in half once and then again. Chicken-Wuss exploded in a rain of goop. Nomad landed on the ground and made a small crater. I went over to where he was. His energy was wrong. I had the idea his energy was unstable. I asked if he was ok. He seemed to be in a trance. He finally said Chicken-Wuss had followed him. He looked really pissed. I figured he was just frustrated with Chicken-Wuss. I thought maybe we could get his mind off of that. I asked if he wanted to see his new space ship at the tower. He perked up immediately and said yes.

We teleported to the landing bay. There was a sleek silver ship there next to my Fire Valkyrie. An entry melted into the side as if the silver was fluid. I smelled a foul odor. It was coming from Nomad. I was about to ask if he had cut one when I looked and saw Nomad was covered with slime. Spike was also covered with slime. We had all been slimed. I used a wave of energy to clear the slime off of us. I thought that must have happened when Chicken-Wuss exploded. Now we went into Nomad's new ship. The entrance melted closed behind us. The interior looked like the ship on Flight of the Navigator. Nomad took the controls and we flew out of the landing bay at high speeds. We were zipping around on the moon making all sorts of cool maneuvers. I was thinking it was more fun than any rollercoaster. I happened to look at Nomad. He was wounded. There was a cut on his arm that was maggot infested. I asked Nomad what had happened. He said he hadn't seen that injury. I focused on healing it. Nomad responded by changing form. He transformed into a giant minotaur. His new form ripped right through the hull of his new space ship. I could tell he hadn't done that deliberately. I used Of Wolf and Man by Metallica, directing the spell at him to transform him back to his normal form. I asked what was wrong. He said he couldn't control it. The ship started repairing itself and was soon back in one piece.

The voice of the ship spoke. It told Nomad to go into a scanning pod. He did and it began scanning him. His energy was definitely unstable. There was a strange growth where it shouldn't have been. The computer highlighted that. Nomad asked what it was. The computer said it was a parasite that feeds on negative energy. It said it could remove it but Nomad would have to be careful or it could come back. Stay calm for a while and it won't return. A small laser focused on the growth and burned it away. I asked Nomad how he felt. He took out a plant. I didn't recognize the plant. He said it was for healing. He set it down. I looked at the plant for a bit. Nomad said he felt better. He said he wanted to find more dream warriors. I was losing the dream. I said I would be back if I could, but now I was about to wake up. Everything around me faded to black as I woke.


NOMAD'S DREAM
Dream Warriors (WILD)

NON-DREAM DREAM LUCID

Damn you, Chicken-Wuss
As I fell asleep, I focused on the moon.
I was in outer space. I knew what this meant: Chicken-Wuss was going to attack me. "Dammit!" I thought, "I am so sick of this bastard!"

I created a portal in front of me. I felt one of Chicken-Wuss's tentacles wrap around my ankle. "Gaah!" I cut it off with my green lightsaber, and went through.

missing time

I had other dreams, woke up, went back to sleep, focusing on the moon.

Monster Battle
I fell through a purple vortex portal, and landed on the moon. Three giant monsters fell through after me. There was the red demon from my dream before, some blue bird-like thing, and and a greenish black monster like an octopus with short tentacles, and one huge eye. "What the hell?" I thought. I knew that Raven, Spike, and Selene were there, and were going to immediately attack the monsters.

I didn't bother hesitating either. I leaped up on top of the octopus monster, and plunged my lightsaber into its eye. Then, I jumped back down, and ran in a circle, around it, cutting off all its tentacles. I turned on my force field, and flew right through it, with my lightsaber in front of me, creating a huge hole in it. The monster turned into a bunch of little green worms, and tried to crawl into the cracks in the ground.

I summoned my golden dragon, and he breathed fire on all the worms, burning them to crisps, then he disappeared.

I saw the others fighting giant monsters in a city in the distance. "What the hell is this? A Godzilla movie?" I thought to myself. There were two monsters, the demon, and the bird-thing. Raven and Selene were whizzing around in the air, shooting bolts of fire and moonlight at the monsters, and Spike was running back and forth between them at superspeed, wielding two short swords, slicing them up, leaping up on to them, stabbing them, then flipping off.

I morphed into Otherme. I was wearing jeans, shirtless, and barefoot, instead of my usual white desert nomad clothes. Long red spikes protruded from my body. I put my arms out at my sides and closed my eyes. Dozens of cute little blue parakeets landed on my arms.

The red demon turned and looked at me. "Oh, that ol' gag?" he laughed. I launched the parakeets into the air, and they morphed into an impossibly huge sky blue blade, floating horizontally in the sky. I could still see the parakeets inside the blade, wings spread, perfectly still, looking straight ahead. I felt an inner rage come over me.

I morphed in a giant minotaur, and grabbed the handle of the blade. It was so huge, at first it was hard to tell it was actually a great sword. I ran at the demon, roaring with a dark fury. I raised my sword, and brought it down slicing him in half vertically. I spun around, and sliced the other monster in half. His pieces turned into a bunch of little demons. I multiplied myself into dozens of small minotaurs, leaping down on the little demons, and stabbing them in the crown of their heads.

I somersaulted out of the city, and the buildings faded and disappeared. Then, I sensed Tooth (aka Chicken-Wuss) above me. I turned on my force field. He rained down a torrent of something disgusting. It was like he was vomiting maggots on me. His maggots just bounce off, and slid down the side of my force field. I looked at him above me. He had jet boots on his feet, and was slowly descending to the surface of the moon. "A zombie with jet boots? How ridiculous!" I thought. My minotaur eyes glowed red with anger. I had enough of him interfering in my dreams.

I jumped straight up at him. He was surprised by my fury. I sliced him in half with my budgie sword, then again horizontally. He changed into a bunch of little worms. I summoned a swarm of ravens, and they gobbled up all the worms.

Raven walked over to me. I changed back into my Nomad form, but I was still holding my sky blue sword, breathing heavily. My eyes glowed red, and steam rose from my skin.

Raven Knight clapped me on the back, "So, when did you become such a- Nomad?"
She looked at me concerned. I was gazing off into nothingness. "Nomad, are you okay?"
"Huh? Yeah. I just..." I shook my head, and turned back into my nomad self. "I'm fine. Thanks."
"Okay," she said, doubtfully. "What the hell was that?"
"I guess Tooth followed me... but he was here afterward. Those monsters, I think we are attracting them as our powers increase. Maybe they are his little friends."
"Hmm," she pondered. "Let's go to the tower."

We teleported into the control room.
"So do you want to see-eyew!" said Raven. "Look at us." We were all covered with slimy ectoplasm. Music came out of her, and a healing fire came from above, burning all the slime off of us. "Mm, that's better," she said. "So, do you want to see your spaceship?" she asked me.

Losin' It
"Hell, yeah!" I said. We immediately were inside a silver spaceship. The insides of it were perfectly curved and smooth, with no straight lines. I sat down in the pilot's chair. "Like in Flight of the Navigator!" she smiled.
"Right!" I laughed. "This is the kind of the Greys have."

I started flying the ship telepathically, spinning it around, and making it do all kinds of crazy maneuvers. I looked down at my right arm for some reason. There was a big gash on my forearm, with little green parasites squirming about in it. "Gyaah! What the hell is this?" Raven looked at the wound, and did some type of fire spell on it. I was freaked out by the maggot things. I started shapeshifting uncontrollably. "Nomad, what's going on?"

"I can't-"
"Focus!" she yelled at me.
Her voice sounded strange and distant, my vision blurred and faded. I felt like I was going insane.

RAAA! I morphed into a giant lava minotaur, bursting through the skin of the ship. "What is wrong with me?" I roared. Raven shot a beam of purple flame at me, glowing orange at the tips. I shrunk down, and returned to normal.

I went back down into the ship, and the hole I made instantly closed, as if it was healing itself. Selene's face was pale. She was freaked out. Spike looked mildly annoyed.

"Go to the back of the ship," said the ship in my head. I stepped on to a glowing lavender circle, that looked like it was glowing through the deck. I changed into my energy form. The ship's energy started moving all around me, like an energy shower. I saw my nervous system in my energy body. For some reason, I was a lavender color, though previously I was always green. Lightning came down, and flowed through me. I saw a little green worm in the back of my skull.

"What is that? Can't you get rid of it?" I asked the ship.
"No, only you can. That is your rage. Do not fear it, and it will weaken and disappear in time," said the ship to me in my head.
I morphed back into my nomad self. I knew at that point that I was okay.

I summoned a cannabis plant. "What's that for?" said Raven.
"Good medicine!" I smiled. "I'll just keep that for later use." (Gauntlet reference.) She laughed and shook her head.
"Ah!" I sighed. "Now, I am better! So where shall we go? Let's visit the alien greys! No, let's have a space adventure! No, no. Let's find other dream warriors like us. I think it's important."
"You're right," said Raven seriously. Selene smiled, and Spike smirked as I sat back down in the pilot's seat.
"Here we go!" I said. I focused on finding other dream warriors, and kicked my ship into warp drive.
So, how many coincidences do you count?

Planned dream does not count, also read above, I said around 70%, and the coincidences are not above 90% just around 50% if at all, which means we can say coincidence no problem, not enough data even if I'm taking your word for it, too many external factors.

Originally Posted by Hukif

Planned dream does not count, also read above, I said around 70%, and the coincidences are not above 90% just around 50% if at all, which means we can say coincidence no problem, not enough data even if I'm taking your word for it, too many external factors.

He didn't say it was planned, or maybe I missed something.

When people think "Shared Dreaming" they automatically assume people mean some kind of magic that connects our brains (At least, I think that's how people think of it), but there is a possible scientific explanation to how Shared Dreams work, assuming they are true at all.

So, there are many man made devices that can transfer information through nothing in the form of energy, what is stopping brains from doing so too? We don't know every single aspect of how the brain works, so maybe there are certain individual neurons or neuron groups in the brain that can send and receive wireless signals, much like an electrical device. When (If) this happens, people can (might) visit each other's dreams by sending very basic details about how the dream is working, much like when you are playing a multiplayer video game.

Any thoughts?

Oh I know nomad out of DV, along with Raven and MoSH and a lot of the "Shared Dreaming Group". So that could be what you missed?
And I'm not against SDing, just saying that going all "Only options, but this one sounds more plausible" isn't correct.

Originally Posted by Hukif

Oh I know nomad out of DV, along with Raven and MoSH and a lot of the "Shared Dreaming Group". So that could be what you missed?
And I'm not against SDing, just saying that going all "Only options, but this one sounds more plausible" isn't correct.

Do they actually plan every detail of their adventures? Seriously, I am asking.

And I am not saying "This IS what's true" I am simply stating my hypotheses and beliefs.



Now, more to the topic of this thread, does different LD induction techniques change how these "Special" DCs act or behave? For instance, aren't WILD dreams a different state of mind and dream than DILD? If so, then if these DCs are only a product of your mind, wouldn't they be a little different between a DILD and WILD dream?

No, but you don't have to plan all details, it is easy for the mind to make up the rest if you know the other person, and as nomad stated several times, a requisite for DSing is to know the other dreamer well, which totally takes the proof away from it.

Also, WILD and DILD are achieved different, but are ultimately the same thing. So the DCs shouldn't behave differently, if anything the dreamer should, I do have differencies between DILD and WILD control.

Originally Posted by Hukif

No, but you don't have to plan all details, it is easy for the mind to make up the rest if you know the other person, and as nomad stated several times, a requisite for DSing is to know the other dreamer well, which totally takes the proof away from it.

Also, WILD and DILD are achieved different, but are ultimately the same thing. So the DCs shouldn't behave differently, if anything the dreamer should, I do have differencies between DILD and WILD control.

1. Do what degree do they plan it though? If they just say "Lets meet on the moon tonight" that wouldn't give very much more wiggle room for coincidence.

2. When DILDing aren't you deeper into your mind? And WILDing, aren't you still 100% conscious? Shouldn't WILDing not even be called dreaming, just very deep thought? Once again, my thoughts, barely any research or proof behind it.