Thread: Lucid Dreams are illusions caused by jinns.

Originally Posted by Ksero

Then don't give people flak saying it's not scientific. If he had said "I am a muslim and I believe that jinn are the cause of lucid dreams" and left it at that i would have respected his opinion. But since he went out and said that it's proven because of science which he obviously doesn't understand, people should be free to take exception to it.

Where did he say that his theory is proven by science? I can't find it. I only find him describing some scientific theory of conciousness existence without a physical form and that he thinks that's what OBE and AP's are.

In the Jinn part, he made this thread to ask people what their opinions were on his theory and he clearly says "I THINK". Which means, it is an opinion.

And what I wrote was not about jinns causing LDs. It was about Jinns existence in general.

Umm...

What the hell have I just read? My first reaction to the Original Post was ... "Someone lost their tin foil hat..."
But then I read on more... And more.. All I see is insults and arguing.
To me... The idea that OP proposed was as ridiculous as an "all-knowing all-powerful God, who creates faulty Humans, and then blames them for his own mistakes"(Thank you Gene Roddenberry). The only difference here is the number of people who believe either theory.

Though it's hard to debate with an idea that has absolutely no basis in reality... I'd rather have seen us try to dig deeper rather than jump right to "Look at this @#$%ing lunatic! LOLOLOL"

Hell... It would have been better to let this thread fall into the depths of the forums than to jump on it like this.

This thread just ruined my entire day. :[

Daban

Originally Posted by Eoghang

Scientific proof of all this "unified field theory"

that's what he said, bout halfway down the first page.

The theory he used to explain it, has nothing to do with what he says it does.

This is insane. Sorry. It's illogical.

A lucid dream is a dream in which you realize your dreaming, Not being controlled by supernatural forces to control our bodies.

I'm going to edit the English so the OP makes a little better sense.

Now, if you want to contribute something to this thread please reply with your opinions on the subject matter, not the person posting it.

Originally Posted by Eoghang

This is what I believe Lucid dreams are. Firstly, Jinns are beings made from smokeless fire the word "jinn" means hidden. We can not see them without them allowing it. They have powers such as body morphing and shape shifting. They have no particles or molecules so they can move faster than the speed of light. They also can affect our mind. They slowly can put a message in our heads without us knowing. They slowly indoctrinate us into worshipping them; Basically idol worship. They have no real power unless you allow them.

Now onto the matter at hand. I believe they also give us lucid dreams. What do they gain from this? Well first of all if you practice ADA, WILD or what have you you're always questioning your surroundings true? This is what they want; Get you distracted by small things like magicians would do, kind of a slight of hand. You are distracted by something over here and they do something over there. When you are lucid they create the dream-scape. They can put in whatever image they like. You get the lucid dream and they get your body for the amount of time you are lucid. I also believe they are the "Aliens" people have seen. They want to seem benevolent but they're not. They have their dimension and we have ours. We should not come into contact with them but they have abused their power. Well, anyway, your opinion is what I want to read .

Originally Posted by DreiHundert

I'd rather have seen us try to dig deeper

Omnis tried that and was utterly ignored.

At the end of the day guys we all have our own belief's but we should all be open minded!

yh there may be these Jinn beings! afterall the vast Universe is almost or is infinite!

But i do not beleive these things control us in LD i think thats just BS that is my opinion
but should be open minded the fact it could be real

Originally Posted by Wrighty

At the end of the day guys we all have our own belief's but we should all be open minded!

yh there may be these Jinn beings! afterall the vast Universe is almost or is infinite!

But i do not beleive these things control us in LD i think thats just BS that is my opinion
but should be open minded the fact it could be real

*shrugs*

topic summary "there are non-physical negative beings trying to harm you, and this is one way they do"

Well.... yeah? People either thing there is only existence on this realm or on this other plane to which if there is..... well shit theres good and evil here to of course if there is another plane of existence.... there will be good and evil.... so... yeah?

As for lucid dreams being the method.....yes and no, if there beings out there, then whos to say what they can and can't effect. But just because you can be effected doesn't mean that you are being effected. You also have to take into the consideration what defenses we have ourselves. Just as there would be small and Big negative forces.... some of us are seriously some big forces on our end of the spectrum. Honestly though there are many different ways to influence humans outside of dreams so.... I'd say do the same with dreaming that I think people should with life; Tread Lightly

Well that was an interesting piece of fiction.

Well what's one thing that Jinns or "astral beings" don't have ? A body and the get these bodies in many ways people channelling, mediums, astral projections and Lucid Dreams. The only "good" dreams are nightmares mostly because the try to warn you about something. I have been practicing all day awareness for about 3 months and my lucid dreams have rocketed up to 40 I'm having about 3 a week long lengthy at least 35 mintues or more and I'm sure anyone can agree it's almost as if morals do not exist in Lucid Dreams like murdering someone isn't that big deal. Just food for thought I would never kill anyone in waking life. Of course this all just my opinion .. that's it my opinion.. you can believe whatever the F**k you wanna believe.

Originally Posted by Eoghang

Well what's one thing that Jinns or "astral beings" don't have ? A body and the get these bodies in many ways people channelling, mediums, astral projections and Lucid Dreams. The only "good" dreams are nightmares mostly because the try to warn you about something. I have been practicing all day awareness for about 3 months and my lucid dreams have rocketed up to 40 I'm having about 3 a week long lengthy at least 35 mintues or more and I'm sure anyone can agree it's almost as if morals do not exist in Lucid Dreams like murdering someone isn't that big deal. Just food for thought I would never kill anyone in waking life. Of course this all just my opinion .. that's it my opinion.. you can believe whatever the F**k you wanna believe.

The mind does not go by what you think is moral. Those are constructs you created for healthy interaction in society, but they don't actually 'exist' anywhere in your mind. The mind goes by what the mind decides 'makes sense' at the moment. It's up to you to excercise virtue as the self... It's not the mind's job, it's not the bodies job, but your responsibility as the agent of both natural forces.

This thread is very low quality on so many levels. The OP seems to have difficulties understanding not only what lucid dreams are, but also the Islamic concept of "Jinns." However it's not his theory that makes this thread bad and disappointing, but rather the disrespectful replies he has received from many members here. It lacks maturity. If certain members can write repetitive threads with unbelieveable stories about shared dreaming, otherworldly beings, and astral projection, then he can write this stuff too.

To me personally, there is little (if any) difference between his post, and some of the posts I've read about astral beings and shared dreams.

Here's a suggestion: Either say you disagree with him in a respectful manner, or don't reply at all.

Jakob

It was just a theory guy nobody really knows what dreams are 100% who's to say that this isn't true then again who is to say that dreams are just what many people think the are images created by your mind so you don't get bored. I know a Lucid Dream is a dream which you become aware that you are dreaming. Jinns are described as created from smokeless fire (gas) who have powers such as telepathy and are illusionists. The were giving these powers as a test from God whether or the abuse their power similar to the biblical sense of humanity and free will. That's besides the point I explained it badly but didn't expect hostility such as one user saying that the Quran was a book written by a mad man. You sir just slapped the face of 1.3 billion people with no proof. I'm done with this now I thought this fourm would be less hostile to theories but alas Lucid Dreamers are the exact same as everyone else despite what they do seems "occult" to other people. Thank Jakob the only actual positive comment I got.

I do recall seeing a few positive replies in this thread, mine included. However, some people did not behave themselves.


I do hope you continue to post and share thoughts and experiences. Some people do not know how to disagree constructively.

In the interest of preserving community:

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