Thread: FryingMan's DILD course workbook

I stumbled upon this thread and thought you might like to check it out as it might (or might not) help with your location based all day reality check
http://www.dreamviews.com/general-lu...rtography.html
Sorry to "stalk" you, I'm just very curious (and optimistic) on how your approach to LDing will work out.

Yeah, I was going to recommend sivason's dream yoga exercises. I'm doing them too (ADA and sivason's exercises) !

By meditating, you clean your mind of thoughts and so you can perceive the world around you better (hearing, for example). That helps on awareness!

By doing it before going to sleep, helps you clean your mind of thoughts, so that you can focus better on your mantra (if you have any), having better chances of working. That's because you fall asleep with much less thoughts, so that makes the mantra/idea more "noticeable" to you!

I hope that answers your question =)

PS: Yeah, sometimes it is hard to stay aware most of the day, but hopefully it gets easier with practice ^^

Originally Posted by dreambh

I stumbled upon this thread and thought you might like to check it out as it might (or might not) help with your location based all day reality check
http://www.dreamviews.com/general-lu...rtography.html
Sorry to "stalk" you, I'm just very curious (and optimistic) on how your approach to LDing will work out.

It's a public forum so "stalking" is not possible .

I'm honored to have anyone interested in my approach and progress, doesn't bother me a bit! I'm writing both for myself and for those who come later. I think it would be an interesting read some day from my beginnings up to lucid all night every night (heh heh....YES I'll get there! I will! Positive thoughts!)

Interesting about dream cartography -- I frequently have a very good sense of dream orientation -- my path through the dream world, which is why I focus on location and transitions in my ADA/RC. I've drawn a few dream paths but my illustration skills are pretty much stuck at the stick figure level, so don't do it much. I do note however orientation and relative positioning of DCs and objects and directions I take in my DJ.

Originally Posted by FryingMan

Thanks! ^^ Love the new sig!

Thanks. I think the sig/image actually influenced my dreams the last 2 nights in a round-a-bout way and may have nudged me toward lucidity before my old reliable dream sign kicked in. I am leaving it for now and I will continue to see it when I preview my posts but will probably mostly uncheck the option "show signature" when I finalize my posts.(leaving it for this post though). Keep up the good work! I fully expect you to surpass me before long! I am too much on a recreational LD path to stay ahead of your progress I think.

Excellent about the dreams. Ah, now, don't sell yourself short, you've been on quite the accelerated path and you made 100 by your 1-year anniversary. It will take quite a bit of effort to match that seeing as I'm only at 22 at mid-year. If I can start getting multiple per night that would be great, but my biggest challenge (regular sleep schedule), and one almost entirely up to me, still eludes me. I was on a semi-regular schedule up to about 1/2 a week ago and I was getting excellent recall and some LDs, so there should be motivation to continue that....must...do...it!

^Thanks. I do think that your rate will accelerate in the near future given your excellent work ethic! I remember my slower climb up to the 20's or so LD mark. I also agree on the sleep schedule, that will help as well.

I reinstalled my "I wake up after every dream" intention last night to try to get more lucidity opportunities, and it worked.....too well, at 4 hrs I had some light recall but then couldn't get back to sleep. Every time I got close to sinking in to relaxation some noise started, either traffic or (wife's) snoring, which even through ear plugs was enough to keep me awake.

Finally got to sleep in the late late morning, but then my wife came barreling in to the room waking me up because the internet was down. I was in the middle of a dream, too, argh.

At least I put my foot down with myself over sleep schedule and got to bed before midnight. Shooting for 11pm if I can but before midnight is good. Took 1mg melatonin about 40 mins before bed to help with readjusting the schedule and got to sleep very quickly.

Good luck with the new sleep schedule. What a way to be awoken when you finally did get to sleep.

Got to be before midnight night before last and had some good recall, it's in the journal.

Got to bed a bit later last night (12:40am), there were some interruptions at bed time, I wasn't feeling particularly sleepy (I did take that nap yesterday), so I took 1mg melatonin after disturbance ended. Got to sleep within about 30 minutes after that. Woke about 08:20, didn't have dreams on my mind, but boy did they pour in after that. I spent at least 10-15 minutes going over them. So much so that I got up to voice record, and it took me 15 minutes of fast talking to get it all down. I remembered several more scenes as I was recording. It's going to take me a couple hours to transcribe I think but I'll do it because they were really fun with lots of detail. The memory of the experiences indicates that they were very vivid.

I also at least once thought about my location: ("Look at this dry dirt, look at the vegetation on this hill, I must be in California")

At one point I took solid, slow notice of the faces of a bunch of people sitting around a table with me and tried hard to remember if I knew them or not. Then the SC-rationalization-engine fed me a false memory that they were all employees of a gambling card club. Meh!

I also for the first time that I recall was looking for a bathroom because I felt like I needed to go to the bathroom. Good thing I didn't find one, because when I woke up I did need to go...

Then in and out of sleep, noisy environment, took out earplugs because my ears were really irritated. Slept more and dreamt a LOT more. Awareness not quite as high but not super zombie-like. Forgot probably more than half of that later waking and still came up with a lot of scenes. Oh yeah, and some sex .

Dream recall ROCKS!

Awesome recall! I wish I could have the same as you have!

I don't know if you tried this, but I'm also doing a daily journal. I write mostly everything that happened today, and that seems to really boost my recall. You don't need to write it down, I think that if you think about the day is enough. Or you can record it

Keep up with it! You're doing great!

^^ Thanks! I do Sageous RRC work which involves thinking back to what you were doing 15 minutes ago. I sometimes think backwards over the events of the day, and I think it's helpful to strengthen the ability to access memory.

The memory of the experiences indicates that they were very vivid.

I also at least once thought about my location: ("Look at this dry dirt, look at the vegetation on this hill, I must be in California")

At one point I took solid, slow notice of the faces of a bunch of people sitting around a table with me and tried hard to remember if I knew them or not.

Nice, nice, nice! All good signs indeed!

Detailed recall this weekend.
DJ entries for Friday & Saturday nights (including the above mentioned scenes)

It takes me hours to type up this stuff, and I'm a fast typist, but I don't want to lose details. I think it's good though because I'm engrossed in the imagery of the dreams this way. I've gotten away from doing this. I was journaling EVERY DAY during the last competition, I think I need to return to the daily journals, even with the day work being engrossed in the dream memories in the daytime seems to aid in lucidity a lot.


00:00 Saturday 2014-03-01 - Dream Journals - Lucid Dreaming - Dream Views

00:00 Sunday 2014-03-02 - Dream Journals - Lucid Dreaming - Dream Views

p.s. Scarlett, you can visit my dreams any time .

Getting the no-lucids grumpies again. 1 week + 2 days. Hmm, what could be going on?

+ I've got the recall (oh Lord I've got the recall, just check my DJ in the last few weeks, it took me 2+ hours to type up just this weekend's)
+ I've got the daytime practice.
+ I have awareness moments in dreams where I'm studying locations/people/objects around me.

But I'm not converting as much as I like.

What could it be....?

+ irregular schedule (known issue....I....must.....fix....this!)?
+ lack of middle-of-the-night practice?
+ too many intentions, mantras too long?
+ need to add meditation?
edit:
+ supplement use: creating an unintended subconscious psychological dependency? Or actual physical desensitization leading to neuro-biochemical-lucid challenges? I think I'll stay completely away from them, I was on a real upward swing including a good lucid without them. My poor performance in February *could* have been due to the multiple supplement (and by supps I mean galantamine and choline variations) experiments as well as the jet lag.

Maybe I need to hold my nose (edit: haha pun unintentional just realised) and do more middle of the night wakings. I'd rather not (I *like* sleeping through to the 6th hour) but maybe I need to work in some regular micro-WBTBs.

If you can wake up naturally at 4.5 hours and you feel rested and can do a mini-wbtb, I think that would help. If you are having trouble getting back to sleep at the 6 hour waking, perhaps writing quick tags for your DJ entries and a quick wbtb with the idea that it will hopefully be easier to get back to sleep (this would be sacrificing some recall for some better chances for becoming lucid). The other factor that I would lean towards besides wbtb would be the old standby I mention...doing what you need to do (you've got that part) while telling yourself that there is absolutely no pressure on you that you need to get lucid tonight and let it flow a little more Taoist style.

p.s. Scarlett, you can visit my dreams any time

Right on!

Well there's good news and there's bad news.

Good news: got to sleep more or less around 11pm, woke at 4hrs with pretty interesting but short recall of some trippy dreams with flying.

Bad news: yup you guessed it, couldn't go back to sleep, what a disaster. I only went to the bathroom and recorded for 1 min. Used my power sleep method but always external disturbance interfered just on the border of sleep. After being awake for 2.5 hours I took 1mg melatonin, always a dicey thing to do in the middle of the night, but I was desperate. After about an hour I started floating in deep well of drowsiness with very strange sensations and may even have become lucid and may have slept but I don't remember, it felt like I was awake and on the border of sleep for hours more. Wife asked me to take the morning breakfast duty and I snapped at her and now I'm in the doghouse. (edit: out of the doghouse at least, whew). Slept eventually afterwards but shocked awake again due to phone/door knocking. Just as well since it was after 1pm. Wow what a night, egads. And the only recall I have is the first waking's!

I'll be honest with you my last couple of week's approach of not setting intent to wake in the night and waking in the morning well rested with tons of recall and fairly high awareness moments (potential lucidity) sure seems preferable. But I do need to beat this back to sleep monster, I'm sure it will give me more lucidity opportunities.

I have moved middle of the night waking & WBTB to weekends when I have the opportunity for 2 more hours of sleep. During the week I try to sleep through the night and record upon getting up. This seems fine for me. The only drawback is that after sleeping in on Saturday/Sunday the transition back to a 5 a.m.-ish rising is a bit rough on Monday/Tuesday.

Originally Posted by KonchogTashi

I have moved middle of the night waking & WBTB to weekends when I have the opportunity for 2 more hours of sleep. During the week I try to sleep through the night and record upon getting up. This seems fine for me. The only drawback is that after sleeping in on Saturday/Sunday the transition back to a 5 a.m.-ish rising is a bit rough on Monday/Tuesday.

This certainly seems attractive. There are examples of awesome lucid dreamers who only DILD without any night wakings (e.g., Hukif). Then there are those who are up-and-coming awesome lucid dreamers like BrandonBoss who wakes up a lot and this seems to give him more LD opportunities. Seeing as I'm not a multi-year-master or anything I think I need to just get lucid a lot more so I can get my brain aligned with lucid dreaming sooner rather than later. I have a flexible schedule so sleeping in on a bad night is an option (but not ideal).

So I'm not sure of what to do. All in all I lost a bunch of potential recall (late morning REMs) in return for a small bit of recall (3rd-4th hour), and that's not a good bargain. I was hoping though for increased awarness with the waking of course, and well, I got it, but too much.

Fogelbise may be right and I may be trying too hard. Yet another balance to strike (like WILD), you have to work hard over LDing in general, but on any given night feel really relaxed and confident.

Edit: of course it could be my wacky sleep schedule where to-bed times can vary night to night by up to 3 hours. I'm working on getting to bed by 11pm and out of bed by 9am under all circumstances (to allow for 8 hours sleep plus WBTB and slow-to-sleep time)

Originally Posted by FryingMan

Slept eventually afterwards but shocked awake again due to phone/door knocking.

I'll be honest with you my last couple of week's approach of not setting intent to wake in the night and waking in the morning well rested with tons of recall and fairly high awareness moments (potential lucidity) sure seems preferable. But I do need to beat this back to sleep monster, I'm sure it will give me more lucidity opportunities.

1.Ouch! Are you sure the phone/knocking wasn't HH? 2. That would be great, but I hear you! Sleep is crucial too! You can eventually get both.

Originally Posted by KonchogTashi

I have moved middle of the night waking & WBTB to weekends when I have the opportunity for 2 more hours of sleep. During the week I try to sleep through the night and record upon getting up. This seems fine for me. The only drawback is that after sleeping in on Saturday/Sunday the transition back to a 5 a.m.-ish rising is a bit rough on Monday/Tuesday.

This is what I usually do but I started adding some wbtb's during the week when feeling rested and if I get to bed on time. Last night I had a nice DILD without any intentional wbtb (woke up, bathroom, wrote some quick notes for ~20 seconds and had a little more wakefulness than usual).

Originally Posted by FryingMan

Edit: of course it could be my wacky sleep schedule where to-bed times can vary night to night by up to 3 hours. I'm working on getting to bed by 11pm and out of bed by 9am under all circumstances (to allow for 8 hours sleep plus WBTB and slow-to-sleep time)

3 hour variance could definitely play a part. Did you have any insomnia before starting recall and LDing?

Originally Posted by fogelbise

1.Ouch! Are you sure the phone/knocking wasn't HH? 2. That would be great, but I hear you! Sleep is crucial too! You can eventually get both.

I was firmly asleep, and woken from the phone buzzing, and then only barely heard the knocking on the door. Was definitely awake. I do not have auditory hallucinations, I can only recall one or perhaps two times a very quick shout that couldn't have been there. I'm pretty much visuals only with HH/HI.

This is what I usually do but I started adding some wbtb's during the week when feeling rested and if I get to bed on time. Last night I had a nice DILD without any intentional wbtb (woke up, bathroom, wrote some quick notes for ~20 seconds and had a little more wakefulness than usual).

3 hour variance could definitely play a part. Did you have any insomnia before starting recall and LDing?

Sometimes, but infrequently, usually only like the night before something big like a trip or a job interview. I had no problems waking up a lot in the very beginning, journaling, then getting right back to bed. When starting SSILD/MILD in the middle of the night then the back-to-sleep issues started. But I was on vacation in a quiet place in a single bed in a dark room. Ah, can't wait for spring and heading back to my lucid hideout for the spring/summer/fall..

Got to bed before midnight, and got myself up at 9am. Slept perhaps 7-ish hours. Good start. Oh and some interesting recall, but short by my standards, almost lost it but it came in, yay.

OK, getting serious: signature change to emphasize the ADA/RC (so I think about it while cruising DV), and started a challenge thread for myself to get into and out of bed ON TIME for a solid month and to observe the effects.

http://www.dreamviews.com/attaining-...challenge.html

Had some recall last night, interesting but short by my standards, but somewhat noteworthy is that I remembered several dreams across multiple wakings (was close, but they finally came back to me at the final waking).

I like the signature idea and your get to bed on time challenge! These should be good adjustments to your overall game plan.

Had to really reach for the recall this morning but it came in. 5-6 scenes, kind of interesting, common theme of the response to a sympathy letter I wrote to family (IWL family tragedy). I tried for a minute or so to read a hand-written response from a cousin, and just couldn't do it. I could barely make out any words, it was just squiggles going up and down like waves. I saw what looked like the occasional "I" or "I'll" but that's all. Eventually my mother spoke up and said "yeah I can't read her writing either". I saw tear stains on the letter too. I also received a "kiss" from another young cousin via an imprint of lips in some sort of cream in a small plastic package. Took me a dream moment to figure out what that was .

Got to bed on time though! 23:18, woohoo. Woke at 06:something, recalled, recorded, couldn't just drop back to sleep though, so about 7ish hours of sleep only. Darn. Didn't exercise yesterday, was generally annoyed at boring errands I had to do yesterday messing up my schedule.

Adding a morning ritual: going out for a newspaper, only about a 10 minute walk, but gets ADA/RC primed for the day.

Originally Posted by FryingMan

Adding a morning ritual: going out for a newspaper, only about a 10 minute walk, but gets ADA/RC primed for the day.

Great idea to start the day off right!