Thread: Steph´s DILD Workbook

Awesome Steph!! I am so happy for you!! It sounds like a lot of what you were looking for! That shows good self awareness that you were able bring back the lucidity two more times while mostly going with the flow of the dream! Do keep us updated on your new approach please.

I enrolled in an experiment:

http://www.dreamviews.com/attaining-...d-dreamer.html
http://www.dreamviews.com/attaining-...r-day-0-a.html

Sounds very fascinating - huge huge promises - I will wait and see - and hope a bit.

This does sound interesting, good luck!

Yeah - well - I lost interest by now and postpone eventual activities until I have seen more of it - I meanwhile doubt, cvsmehden's promises will come true.
Anyway - if I should get surprised - I'll turn back to it!

I plan to follow the self-hypnosis guide, Sibyline and Linkzelda have used for LDs and stuff:
Instant Self-Hypnosis - How To Hypnotize Yourself With Your Eyes Wide Open

But somehow I've not yet tried it - I'll print it and hope, I'll do it tomorrow.
Procrastinating and then watching 'True Detective' with my husband and a friend prevented me yesterday, and we still have three episodes left for tonight..
But eventually - definitively.

I really enjoyed True Detective and I am hoping they do go ahead with another season! Let me know how the self-hypnosis goes.

+1 for True Detective, the two leads are both awesome actors.

Yeah - I really hope, there will be more.
I mean - now they are private investigators - pleease - give them cases, whoever produced this marvel!!

Did my first self-hypnosis session yesterday - it says, that something should happen after like 3-5 times doing that - I really, really hope it works on me.
I think it will - the suggestions, on how the sun would be warming up my body in the intro - believe it or not - that worked a treat.
I ended up with an almost burning feeling in my face, for example - really like from the sun.
So I am not immune to it - my bloodvessels react just fine - that much is clear by now.
It's also very relaxing.
Only thing - I should translate it into German - it is supposed to be read aloud to oneself, and while my English is okay - I guess, German would be more powerful.

The power of the mind! Very interesting. When you are done with True Detective, you might find some enjoyment with Hanibal (the TV series). The 2nd season is very interesting with so many creative and artistic angles. Dark subject matter like True Detective.

Thanks for the tip!
Did my second session - but still in English - and it's a bit hoppla-pop with getting pronunciation right and at the same time have it trickle in naturally.
Finally I got my act together and put a DJ entry up - only trivial stuff - but I suspect, that it's journalling, which often made the difference for me.
When I've been journalling - like for the last comp or also before in more intense phases - I got lucid from time to time - without it - not really.
Bathroom-RCs are on the menu again, too and and ..

I am guessing that you were right that it will be more effective translated to German.

I think dream journaling helps in a number of ways, so I am happy to hear that you are back at it!

Yeah - it really is true - after journalling - I thought about the dream several times in the day - I wouldn't have done that just remembering it after waking up.
I have bad recall anyway.
Tomorrow I'll translate and go for session number 3 - with some extra for WILD specifically, and to stay up for WBTB.
For now:

Ha - notice to my dear teachers:

I translated only a third of it - but I did it the third time in English just now, and I felt seriously hypnotised this time.
Been hypnotised before.
It felt, as if I knew it by heart partly - much more fluent than I sometimes read.
And if you would have recorded me - that would have sounded hypnotised, believe me.
Veery interesting - lovely - so it seems the more I do it the more fascinating - if only on spot yet.
So Steph in hope, once more - and it's even a form - and a powerful one - of the "new acronym" - PM - prospective memory!

Originally Posted by StephL

And if you would have recorded me - that would have sounded hypnotised, believe me.

OK, now you *have* to record it and post the mp3 file! I like listening to hypnosis audios and prefer female voices to male for such!

Originally Posted by StephL

Ha - notice to my dear teachers:

I translated only a third of it - but I did it the third time in English just now, and I felt seriously hypnotised this time.
Been hypnotised before.
It felt, as if I knew it by heart partly - much more fluent than I sometimes read.
And if you would have recorded me - that would have sounded hypnotised, believe me.
Veery interesting - lovely - so it seems the more I do it the more fascinating - if only on spot yet.
So Steph in hope, once more - and it's even a form - and a powerful one - of the "new acronym" - PM - prospective memory!

This is exciting! I wish you tremendous results Steph and eagerly wait to hear your updates! The possibilities are many!

Weell - maybe last night was a result - maybe it just happened like that and because I found a great time for my WBTB - waking up naturally after 6h and still having time to sleep on. So I tried for WILD, but kept loosing myself in other thoughts. But after that - juhuu - a lucid dream, if only a little one and with scaring a girl to tears and the plants wouldn't let my hypnotize them!!
I only stared at them though - next time come suggestions and expectation - maybe I even get some fake memory into it.






Edit:

Thanks to Mismagius posting a link to Hyu's DJ I believe I finally understand the biggest riddle of my LDing journey:

Originally Posted by Hyu

This is important.
If you want to experience an entire world or setting (Hogwarts, Middle-Earth...), never try to create it right in front of you.
There will be inconsistencies, DCs will go out of character, forget what they're supposed to do...
In my experience, it just doesn't work right.
Instead try to go there.
Don't create Hogwarts, instead go to the real Hogwarts.

I do this by leaving my dream bubble (just a bubble containing my current dream), and going to an entirely new place.
Doing so I have an easier time believing that I am in a real place, and not in a dream controlled by my own sub-conscious,
which renders dreams much more realistic.

I have mentioned it again and again - my very first LD was so extraordinarily realistic and stable and I consciously tested all senses and the surroundings with never a shred of doubt about the tangibility of it all.
Completely like being teleported to another world.
It never was like this again.

Now I think I know what it was - I got there by following Castaneda's lessons, and I wanted to believe in the woo, so when I got lucid, I really seriously thought, I am in an actual different realm.
A supernatural world, but a real and consistent one, and not a dream.
And so that's what it felt like. Total immersion.

Oh - if only I could get that on purpose - no wishy-washy changy things and this horrible stability problem of mine.
That dream back then was so stable, that I had to really force myself into waking intensely - and at first it didn't work, even.

^^Congratulations Steph!! I also really like the possible epiphany in your edit! Very interesting!..it makes sense to me.

Just finished translating all of it - puuh - three text pages - but happy now about it.

^Very nice! Was it the lucid dreaming script from this page: http://www.hypnosisalliance.com/otto...ns%20Blair.pdf ?

Yupp - exactly that!

A bit of news from me - meanwhile two more hypnosis sessions in - I got back to English, I feel that works better.
At the side a dabble in image streaming - hard to say now, what is what, since that supposedly also is a good lucidity initiator.

Two nights ago, I got lucid already, but I was - stupidly - enjoying what I was doing so much, I thought no thank you.. gaah.gif
But last night again then - and I had remembered to do what The Cusp said concerning stabilizing scenery - and what you my dears have also told me, but I had read it off him yesterday:

I started moving and taking note of the 3D-ness of the environment - so I started running and got myself a beautiful 3D landscape stabilized - buuut - I should have given some attention to the cognitive implications of lucidity - as I did it - I lost lucidity after a while of running.
Better than those micro-things with rushing to do something stabilizing and in the end loose it all and wake up.
Looks like I'm on the roll again anyway!!

On the roll again indeed!! Congrats Steph!!

Thank you again for your sweet words in the poll next door, fogelbise!

The last three nights I have been getting up shortly, when I woke up naturally after around 5 hours and then lay back in bed on my back.
I didn't do anything specific except once counting down and repeating I am dreaming, and twice looking at the back of my eyelids.
This lead to me getting lost in thoughts, and one time falling asleep and twice I rolled over after a while to sleep.
And it resulted in two lucid moments, recognizing dreamsigns, which I had not given any prior attention to.
They almost immediately popped out of existence and I was awake.
I could maybe have re-entered, had I thought about holding still and DEILDing - so I'll try to keep that in mind.
It's not exactly bad in my eyes to have a result, as soon as I start doing something again - but I fear for the ongoing problems of just becoming lucid and that's it then. Is there something I could do in the day to work against that more specifically?

It is a true motivation killer..


Something I forgot - not long ago I had a dream, in which a flying train featured - and now last night's dream had people talk about such a train, and I remembered that scene as reality!!

Originally Posted by StephL

Thank you again for your sweet words in the poll next door, fogelbise!

I absolutely mean all the nice things I say and think about you!

The last three nights I have been getting up shortly, when I woke up naturally after around 5 hours and then lay back in bed on my back.
I didn't do anything specific except once counting down and repeating I am dreaming, and twice looking at the back of my eyelids.
This lead to me getting lost in thoughts, and one time falling asleep and twice I rolled over after a while to sleep.
And it resulted in two lucid moments, recognizing dreamsigns, which I had not given any prior attention to.
They almost immediately popped out of existence and I was awake.
I could maybe have re-entered, had I thought about holding still and DEILDing - so I'll try to keep that in mind.
It's not exactly bad in my eyes to have a result, as soon as I start doing something again - but I fear for the ongoing problems of just becoming lucid and that's it then. Is there something I could do in the day to work against that more specifically?

It is a true motivation killer..

Yes, a couple of ideas here. Perhaps we can go back and forth and figure out the best course of action. One thing I just recently overcame, it seems, is the idea that if a certain scene is fading that it also means that I am waking up. The belief that it may not be over seems to allow me enough time to save the lucid and I have been able to do spinning and enter a new scene. Previously I focused a good amount of attention and intention on DEILD attempts and that overcame some of these moments, but now it seems to be a change in mindset that is working for me. This "fear for the ongoing problems" is surely working against you and I think that you need to get rid of that fear or expectation and instead expect that the stability will be just fine and if the scene wants to change that there is no reason why you can't enter a new scene. That, I think, is the primary fix but you can also focus more attention on DEILD attempts every time you "wake" whether it is a False Awakening or a real one...just attempt a DEILD just in case...it usually only takes seconds to tell if it is working. Mantras before bed are good for this and also short "practices" in your normal sleeping position during the day while visualizing what it feels like when you normally are getting ready to lose the dream and redirecting what you now expect to happen to the positive end result. Does that make sense? Please let me know if you have any questions.

Sorry for the slow response. I was away for several days.

Something I forgot - not long ago I had a dream, in which a flying train featured - and now last night's dream had people talk about such a train, and I remembered that scene as reality!!

That is very interesting! Residue from one dream coming into another.