Thread: CIA Cheif: We'll Spy On You Through Your Dishwasher

A couple years back in High school, before I graduated, we were reading 1984, and discussing how they had installed a telescreen in the room. A "smartboard" that was connected to a computer. Obviously my teacher put a piece of tape over the camera.

Then you all ate the fat kid in your class.

I find it ironic but not surprising that I feel more comfortable with Google gathering that data than with Petraeus gathering it.

Originally Posted by Xei

Then you all ate the fat kid in your class.

There was no fat kid in class to eat... he was served in the cafeteria the year before.

I find it funny when teachers cannot get their lesson plan to work because their "smartboards" aren't functioning properly. Progress!

You mean because they don't know how to use them properly, get frustrated, and claim they're malfunctioning.

Originally Posted by Sornaensis

You mean because they don't know how to use them properly, get frustrated, and claim they're malfunctioning.

Usually.

Have you finished reading 1984 now?

I think this is going to be pretty fucking insane when there's computers in almost everything sending data to companies/governments.
But you basically won't be able to escape it if you want to live in the developed world, plus it offers lots of cool benefits with smart houses etc.
I don't even really feel safe allowing Ev's Singularity Lucid Dreaming app to access my location. And I know he's not going to use it for any nefarious purposes.
It just doesn't sit right allowing a program to know where I am, especially since I know next to nothing about code, and the person or company or someone who's cracked that data
could be looking at where I am at any moment. I don't think I'll ever allow anything to use my location, if I have knowledge that it can. Even if it makes my life easier or the use of whatever device or program more customised.

Being old-fashioned is great. Paper books, CDs and stereos, cash, snail mail, untraceable things! One of many reasons why digital money is scary; consumption habits can be tracked.

Although a sociologist would classify me as either an eccentric or "rejectionist" though. But that's cool. I also don't use a GPS because it makes me stupider, but side benefit: no one knows where I go (except cellphone company when I bring it with me.)

damn cellphone companies.

The title of this thread might be the funniest in the history of this site. However, if it is true, the truth of it is one of the scariest facts in the history of this site's thread titles. Wow.

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We're being watched just being here at DreamViews

This is why I wash my dishes by utilizing the sink, you can't spy on me government!

Fear my Sponge rubbing skills as I clean these silverware that leaves nothing but a fabulous shine to them. I don't need a machine for this!

Fear me! Good ol' soap and water.

And I still put a sticky pad on my laptop's webcam screen.

I might have to use tinfoil on my sponge to make sure they don't collect data on its secrets of cleaning things properly.

kuei12
My dishwasher is a 45 year old Hispanic woman. I guess I should kill her for treason.

Lmfao, I always go for the comments for these types of articles.

Originally Posted by tommo

Have you finished reading 1984 now?

I'm about 3/5 of the way through it. It started off kinda slow, but has really drawn me in, since about the halfway point. It's a strikingly realistic picture being painted, and one that would seem almost entirely plausible. With society as it is today, I would say the tactics being used in the book are a little to in-your-face to work without large-scale revolution, but you can be damn sure that most governments (even of ours of today), would gladly employ such high levels of control if permitted - so much so that even many of the themes used in the book still stand as fitting metaphors of things going on today.

It's pretty hard not to be tracked on this planet.

That is, it's difficult to avoid all the available tracking systems if you were being targeted by what is available.

A while back an article came out about the cable tv box being able to track people and monitor who was in the living room and tons of people started covering up their boxes. Funny, but companies work very hard to know what you are doing at any given moment so they can create metrics for your potential buying habits. Sign up to receive a company's e-mail or digital offers and it all goes into a databse which combines your interests with your gender and age statistics and predicts other products you might enjoy. All this information can say a lot about you when it comes to a profile that predicts whether you are a good citizen or a subversive.

It's frightening that some computer out there is tracking my every purchase, from Benadryl to gasoline, and using it to market products to me, as well as create a profile that can predict all sorts of things about my family and even my future habits.

I wash dishes by hand...but only because this house doesn't have a dishwasher.

Originally Posted by Oneironaut Zero

I'm about 3/5 of the way through it. It started off kinda slow, but has really drawn me in, since about the halfway point. It's a strikingly realistic picture being painted, and one that would seem almost entirely plausible. With society as it is today, I would say the tactics being used in the book are a little to in-your-face to work without large-scale revolution, but you can be damn sure that most governments (even of ours of today), would gladly employ such high levels of control if permitted - so much so that even many of the themes used in the book still stand as fitting metaphors of things going on today.

Yeah, in some places. However, the whole world isn't like the 1st world, for example I was watching the news recently and they had this expose on the Fijian dictator.
They were basically showing how everything is run over there. They have a newspaper editing office, run by the government,
where they edit out anything bad about the government or basically anything they don't agree with.
It's called, and I shit you not, the "Ministry of Information".

It's not just the metaphors, they are definitely there, like the telescreens are what this thread is about etc. But....
I'll wait until you're done, some of the things he says very much reflect America in the last couple of decades.

Originally Posted by louie54

We're being watched just being here at DreamViews

It only takes a quick scan to realise that is Google ads, not DV. And I don't really have a problem with that,
it just bases it on keywords from the page, and it's usually so far from anything I actually want that it's hilarious.

Originally Posted by tommo

It only takes a quick scan to realise that is Google ads, not DV. And I don't really have a problem with that,

The code says it's Google Analytics, which, to those of you who don't know, is a tool that displays statistics such as how many people are coming to your site, from where, how long they've been there, how many people are currently on, etc.

Not that I have a problem with it either actually. It's not like Alex is reading out emails lol.

Originally Posted by Oneironaut Zero

Plus, in related news:
NSA is Building the Country's Biggest Spy Center

The title of the clip sounds very tame compared to its contents when you consider Mr. Binney, former systems programmer for the NSA, has a gun held to his head when a dozen FBI agents bust into his home for exposing what the NSA is actually up to.

Originally Posted by Xei

Then you all ate the fat kid in your class.

After all, isn't there a little Uter in all of us?

I just read 1984 a few weeks ago. My friend said it was the most depressing book he ever read. I'm surprised it didn't even make him think about America and how similar it really is. That's probably why the end made me mad, it almost could be a true story. I hated the end, but I guess he used it to make us want to do something before it's too late. I'm worried that soon it will be too late.

^ You should read A Brave New World next, it's even closer to the reality of modern day (North) America.

Originally Posted by Sornaensis

You mean because they don't know how to use them properly, get frustrated, and claim they're malfunctioning.

Or they just feel too lazy to teach that day, so they claim they can't get it to work. This happens all the time in college/university.

Originally Posted by GavinGill

^ You should read A Brave New World next, it's even closer to the reality of modern day (North) America.

Interesting story about Aldous Huxley. He wrote Brave New World before he discovered LSD. After experiencing LSD, his entire worldview shifted from dystopian to utopian. He then went on to write Doors of Perception, which incidentally was the inspiration for the band "The Doors".

But basically he realized that LSD was the cure to a sick drug-zombified society. As long as people continue to use LSD (and other psychedelics), then society need not fall into the pit of psychopharmaceutical hell. Unfortunately, there's also a huge rising tide of anti-depressant and anti-psychotics in the West. Don't quote me, but isn't something like 1 in 5 adults in the US on mood altering drugs now? We do have the cure, but people need to have the courage to use it.