Thread: A recurring DC in my dreams which doesn't behave like any other DC's

I've noticed this quite some time ago, but I'm unsure what to do.
Often in my lucid dreams I keep meeting the same DC, I'll just refer to her as "she" or "her".
For some reason she doesn't follow the same "rules" or act the same way any other DC's do, and having completely re-read my dream journal, this has become even more obvious.

- Every dream I meet her in, she has a different appearance. I still know it's her though, I can clearly feel her aura, which is exactly the same every time.
Her aura is also much stronger then the aura of any other DC.
If you're wondering what I mean by aura, it's a very strong feeling of presence, like a 6th sense.
- I only meet her in lucids. Only once have I met her before I became lucid, but in that dream she actually made me become lucid by projecting her thoughts onto me, providing me with the knowledge that I am indeed dreaming.
- She's "perfect". It's not like she really stands out, or is insanely attractive, but upon close investigation, she is simply put perfect in every way. Not only is she very beautiful, but she also understands me in a way noone else does, we think alike.
- She's never with me at the start of a dream. She's always introduced to me in some way.
- She usually helps me complete some kind of task, go to another place, or she points something out that is really worth seeing or investigating.
- She does not obey my thoughts. I have no power over her. (I usually have an easy time manipulating DC's)

And here comes what I find most interesting:
- She is aware of my thoughts. I do not say "she can read them" because it really is more like awareness. Whenever I feel like doing something, or really have any feeling at all, she is perfectly aware of it. She always shows this to me in some way, but she never says that she does.
For example if I look a her while we're going somewhere, and think that she is really beautiful, she usually grabs my hand or puts her arm around me and smiles.
Even though she does this, she always remains "in character".
- Whenever I'm with her, I'm in an unconditional state of happiness. This is hard to explain, I feel in perfect harmony with my life and my surroundings, I have no worries at all.
- In every dream she's in, she causes something very special to happen, which turns the dream into a fantastic experience. Usually she does this by taking me to fantastic places.
- For some reason I feel no urge at all to talk to her about it (at least not in the dream, I immediately regret not doing anything after waking up)

And this is what happened 2 days ago:
I was having a wild, approaching a seemingly very interesting building. I was drawn to it by a higher force and didn't know why at first, but I didn't feel like resisting either.
Once I got closer I could clearly feel her aura, and knew why I was drawn to the place.
Later in the dream we were sitting on a couch together, watching TV.
This dream was different then all the others, she wasn't actively interfering with the dream.
She was waiting for me to do something, I could clearly feel it. I was aware of that thought of her, just like she is always aware of mine.
Then, for the first time since I've met her, I did something.

I told her: "You are a figment of my imagination, a random projection of my subconscious."
Whenever I tell a DC "you aren't real" they are removed from existence, this was a much more powerful way of saying the same thing.
Now you may be wondering why I would do such a thing, because this doesn't exactly seem polite.
It wasn't impolite though. She is aware of my thoughts, she knows why I said it, and that I didn't mean it in a bad way, she knew I was testing her existence, and I could clearly feel that she was glad that I finally said something.

She replied: "No, I'm not." and kept staring straight into my eyes.
No DC has ever managed to do such a thing, not only has she refused to be unsummoned, but she openly disagreed with me on a higher level.
While she said "No", she projected her thoughts onto me, I was fully aware that she not only disagreed with me, she knew she wasn't a DC, she had her own free will.

I wasn't sure what to do next, I kept feeling her thoughts, she wanted me to do something.
Finally, I thought "prove it." but in a nice way. I didn't doubt her, I just wanted some help believing.

That was exactly what she was waiting for, she smiled and opened her eyes more widely.

BAM!
I was back in bed, fully awake, not tired at all. I could still feel the residue of her aura on my body.
I have never awakened from a dream like that. Especially lucids always tend to just fade away, and with non lucids, I often just don't remember how they ended.
But never in my life have I been shocked awake from a dream like that (it was not a bad feeling at all, quite the contrary actually)



Now, I'm not really sure what exactly I'm asking.
I felt like sharing this, and I'm hoping to hear some of your thoughts on this.
Has anyone ever experienced anything like this?
I have no idea what to do the next time I meet her, but I can't wait to do so.


Edit: Oh... wow, sorry about the wall of text, I didn't realize I typed this much.
I hope this doesn't destroy the motivation to read this.

I hope this doesn't destroy the motivation to read this.

... well, frankly...

Well, I have heard of people meeting DCs that differ greatly from the others in power/intelligence, so I would guess that:

The girl is your Dream Guide (seems to understand the dream stuff pretty well, but then again, I am not sure if DGs really exist). As for how she was able to not get "un-summoned", I would guess that you were expecting her not to.
*Because the truth is, nothing/nobody is more powerful than you are in the dreams. You are the god. You can do anything.*

* My take on the lucid dreaming, anyway. Then again I haven't got a "real" lucid yet.
Anyway, sounds like a pretty cool DC. I wish to get something similar when I get into the whole thing.

Originally Posted by Loaf

... well, frankly...

Yeah, I knew this was going to happen once I saw the wall of text, my bad.

Originally Posted by CyperAleksi

Well, I have heard of people meeting DCs that differ greatly from the others in power/intelligence, so I would guess that:

The girl is your Dream Guide (seems to understand the dream stuff pretty well, but then again, I am not sure if DGs really exist). As for how she was able to not get "un-summoned", I would guess that you were expecting her not to.
*Because the truth is, nothing/nobody is more powerful than you are in the dreams. You are the god. You can do anything.*

* My take on the lucid dreaming, anyway. Then again I haven't got a "real" lucid yet.
Anyway, sounds like a pretty cool DC. I wish to get something similar when I get into the whole thing.

I have read the term "Dream Guide" many times on these forums, but I've never bothered to check what exactly it means.
Going by the wiki, it's just "A dream character who helps you and knows more about your dream than the average dream character".
Well, that certainly fits, though that description fits a wide variety of things.

And it's certainly true that I wasn't fully expecting her to be "un-summoned", still it didn't really feel like a failure on my part.
Then again, dreams are quite tricky, maybe I just met her in a dream once and I'm expecting to see her over and over again.
I'll just go with the "special DC" though, because it's more fun that way, and that's what dreams are about right?

Is the concept of a Dream Guide more closely explained somewhere?
I find the idea quite interesting, especially because the wiki entry fits so well.

Cheers,
Hyu

Originally Posted by Hyu

I have read the term "Dream Guide" many times on these forums, but I've never bothered to check what exactly it means.
Going by the wiki, it's just "A dream character who helps you and knows more about your dream than the average dream character".
Well, that certainly fits, though that description fits a wide variety of things.

And it's certainly true that I wasn't fully expecting her to be "un-summoned", still it didn't really feel like a failure on my part.
Then again, dreams are quite tricky, maybe I just met her in a dream once and I'm expecting to see her over and over again.
I'll just go with the "special DC" though, because it's more fun that way, and that's what dreams are about right?

Is the concept of a Dream Guide more closely explained somewhere?
I find the idea quite interesting, especially because the wiki entry fits so well.

Cheers,
Hyu

Agreed.
I haven't really found much information about dream guides myself, so I'm afraid I can't tell any more
And yeah, maybe you do unconsciously expect her to be there.

About a year ago I was looking into dream guides quite a bit because I thought they were pretty interesting. While doing this I found a comment on a thread that was talking about special dream characters that are basically the other half of you, so when you meet them you feel completely happy and fulfilled. They also happen to be of the other sex and attractive to you. So to me it sounds like you've met your other half, so to speak.
I wish I could tell you more about it or at least tell you what thread it was on but it was quite a while ago sorry.

Originally Posted by Emecom

About a year ago I was looking into dream guides quite a bit because I thought they were pretty interesting. While doing this I found a comment on a thread that was talking about special dream characters that are basically the other half of you, so when you meet them you feel completely happy and fulfilled. They also happen to be of the other sex and attractive to you. So to me it sounds like you've met your other half, so to speak.
I wish I could tell you more about it or at least tell you what thread it was on but it was quite a while ago sorry.

Jungian theory.

That's the animus for male and anima for female (I think I'm getting the genders right). They're your male or female side of yourself. Jung proposed that they were a reminder to accept those different sides of yourself — much like how he proposed the shadow is a way for you to rationalise, with yourself, the dark side of yourself that you don't want anyone to see.

I wouldn't say this is just an animus or anima. She seems to play too much of an important role to merely be the female side of yourself. Here's a brief summary of some persona types, as proposed by Carl Jung, that might be of interest.

Originally Posted by http://www.dreammoods.com/dreaminformation/dreamtheory/jung3.htm

3. The Anima / Animus is the female and male aspects of yourself. Everyone possess both feminine and masculine qualities. In dreams, the anima appears as a highly feminized figure, while the animus appears as a hyper masculine form. Or you may dream that you are dressed in women's clothing, if you are male or that you grow a beard, if you are female. These dream imageries appear depending on how well you are able to integrate the feminine and masculine qualities within yourself. They serve as a reminder that you must learn to acknowledge or express your masculine (be more assertive) or feminine side (be more emotional).
5. The Wise Old Man /Woman is the helper in your dreams. Represented by a teacher, father, doctor, priest or some other unknown authority figure, they serve to offer guidance and words of wisdom. They appear in your dream to steer and guide you into the right direction.
6. The Great Mother is the nurturer. The Great Mother appears in your dreams as your own mother, grandmother, or other nurturing figure. She provides you with positive reassurance. Negatively, they may be depicted as a witch or old bag lady in which case they can be associated with seduction, dominance and death. This juxtaposition is rooted in the belief by some experts that the real mother who is the giver of life is also at the same time jealous of our growth away from her.

Of course some people think Carl Jung was an idiot, and I believe I read somewhere that he didn't even believe in lucid dreaming. Either way, some of the stuff I've read on him has helped me to tackle one particularly bullying DC that wouldn't leave me alone.

PS
Reading the part about her forcing you to wake up gave me chills.

Thanks for posting this Foul, it's quite an interesting read.

Originally Posted by Foul

Reading the part about her forcing you to wake up gave me chills.

Imagine trying to rationalize what just happened whilst still in this state where you're not thinking clearly yet.
It was quite the experience, I can still remember exactly what it felt like.

I have such an urge to meet her again. I have a million questions I want to ask her.
Unfortunately, I'll be really busy the next few days which usually completely kills my dream recall.

Originally Posted by Foul

Jungian theory.

That's the animus for male and anima for female (I think I'm getting the genders right). They're your male or female side of yourself. Jung proposed that they were a reminder to accept those different sides of yourself — much like how he proposed the shadow is a way for you to rationalise, with yourself, the dark side of yourself that you don't want anyone to see.
.

^This

It being your anima makes a lot more sense than it being a shared dream.

It definitely sounds like you have encountered your dream guide.

I belive it could be another person (as a Shared dream at some point) or dream guide. Though I would place my bet in the first option.

I'm not really sure what I should think of shared dreaming.
I'm rather open minded, so I do consider that it's possible, and I've read a few rather convincing arguments on these forums in favor of shared dreaming.
It remains one of these things noone can prove nor disprove.

Regardless of what I think of shared dreaming though, I dislike the idea that another person could enter my dreams, and have the power to shock me awake in the way I experienced.
If two people actively try to experience a shared dream together, it's a different story.

Originally Posted by Hyu

I'm not really sure what I should think of shared dreaming.
I'm rather open minded, so I do consider that it's possible, and I've read a few rather convincing arguments on these forums in favor of shared dreaming.
It remains one of these things noone can prove nor disprove.

Regardless of what I think of shared dreaming though, I dislike the idea that another person could enter my dreams, and have the power to shock me awake in the way I experienced.
If two people actively try to experience a shared dream together, it's a different story.

Shared dream can occur even without the person knowing it. It could have happened to you.

I'd rather don't discuss it here, you can check beyon dreaming and ask it there.

What makes sense or what does not make sense is relative. You can not prove either, so they have the same probabilities, I belive that only the OP can say what he belive that happened.

Who says they are your dreams to begin with?

Originally Posted by MoonshoesPotter

Who says they are your dreams to begin with?

yh trues they could be the other girls dreams hes entering and visa versa. E.G he gets that strong presence in that building and lead him to her, the possibilty is quite possible its just the mind reading bit which stops me in the tracks as now im leaded to think that his whole subconcious went into that girl basically hes speaking to his other half. So hes fully conscious and the other dream person is his Sub-Conscious. who Knows hehe could be a higher being namaste. would love to be able to dream share with somone

Very interesting post I think. I have never had an experience like this before but the way you put it makes it sound really cool. I should put on my goals list to find my dream guide, as I think it would be a great thing to have a companion throughout all of my dreams.

To help answer your question, I think that "girl" might be the other side of yourself. Since she cannot be unsummoned, it must be another part of your mind that is stronger than your conscious will power. That is the only logical explanation I can come up with...

If it were a shared dream then they'd be as confused as you are.
The idea that someone has jacked into your dreams only when you're lucid and knows a whole lote more than you and is using these dreams to screw with your head is utterly ridiculous.

PS
I'd like to clarify that I don't believe in shared dreams.

Another possibility, other than the dream guide thing is that your mind made her up to get you out of the lucid, since (at least what I have heard) subconscious doesn't "like" lucid dreaming state. :S

sounds awesome. now i wanna know what happens next ... please keep posting.

I suspect this to be something called a spirit guide. It's a little-known term on DV and around the web, but it is basically a higher form of a DG, although it is considered a separate entity. They can help you in your dreams just like a DG, but they can also help you with physical-plane problems that you may be having. The SG can also help you start shared dreaming, as they can be considered people of the dream plane. Since they can do all of this, I suspect they also have the ability to wake you up like she did. I would be surprised if this usually isn't the case. As a person of the dream plane, she can also teach you about it, which can lead into a bunch of stuff I'm still figuring out myself.

DG doesn't seem to fit the description, as she has free-will, while a DG doesn't. They can also be un-summoned I believe. A shared dreamer would make no sense, as they shouldn't have power over you like that in a dream. They would also appear in non-lucids if it was. An anima... that makes no sense, as they wouldn't have power over you, never mind free-will. They would also represent you in some way, but, in the way you say it, it doesn't seem to be that way. SG sounds much better, as it accounts for the power she has over you and her apparent knowledge of the dream plane.

I would suggest asking her about the dream plane and your dreams, maybe even about some personal problems. Now, I'm not saying you should use her as a Q&A service, as she could be a separate entity. Even if you don't follow that, she probably won't answer if it gets annoying. I say you try to use this as an opportunity to learn and experience. Most people don't have the opportunity laid out in front of them like this.

Good luck, and I hope I helped!

EDIT: Also, this idea is very controversial on DV. I just want you to know that, but I still believe it matches best.

Originally Posted by Snowboy

I suspect this to be something called a spirit guide.

: )

Originally Posted by Hyu

Have you had the occasion to ask them about it?
Yuya was always holding back until I finally managed to confront her about it.
It is true that she gave me hints on many occasions that she was different though.
But in the end I was the one who had to confront her, and it was only then that things started to get really interesting.

With Selene it was the opposite. She refused to leave me alone until I acknowledged that she is real.

Originally Posted by Caden

No I haven't been able to yet but my last meeting I pulled the short hair girl (SHG) aside and she was totally take aback. Then I asked her to sit which she was shocked at. Then I tried to have a conversation and she shot answers back so quick that it kinda killed both my momentum and any mojo I had going. :/ She is the only DC that is always surprising me, good or bad.

Its interesting that you say Yuya was holding back though she threw around a few hints at least. I have had a lucid with them that was very clear and very long years ago. We were all living in this city made out of astrial energy made up to look like a European city. We had just moved into a corner apartment since the last "tenets" vacated it. Years before that I had a dream that we (all 3 of us) had lived there for 2 years and a third anniversary was coming. I remember just chatting about pretty common stuff no one throwing any hints around.

I see what your saying and I am going to confront them on it especially the SHG. I have met her away from the bunch, again she surprises me and says "hi" as if I should have know her for a long time. It's frustrating, now I know what amnesia victims must feel like! "and I know you from where?" "you are my friends?" "how did you know I was going to say that?" "how long have we known each other anyways?" I haven't said any of this to them, yet.

I'm gonna be holding them to the Yuya standard; its a high standard but if their friends...



I don't believe that these people are part of my subconscious since I have changes a huge huge amount for the years these guys have been doing the same and being the same. Shouldn't my subconscious have changed too?
But maybe a shared dreamer, I don't see any reasons why not and it would explain why they are seemingly aloof, they are not any more sure about me as I am them. Hhmmm, good point. And here I was thinking DG probably because that would be cool. And although I would love a Yuya this does open the possibility that I can be a guide to them! Or at least a help.

Wow this is all a lot to think about, thanks peeps!

One of my spirit guides told me I am his spirit guide when I am asleep, and he is my spirit guide when he is asleep.

Originally Posted by WakingNomad

With Selene it was the opposite. She refused to leave me alone until I acknowledged that she is real.



One of my spirit guides told me I am his spirit guide when I am asleep, and he is my spirit guide when he is asleep.

One of?

Originally Posted by Waterknight

One of?

Yes, I have more than one. Dark, Light, Trade, Love, dreams, reality...

Originally Posted by WakingNomad

With Selene it was the opposite. She refused to leave me alone until I acknowledged that she is real.


One of my spirit guides told me I am his spirit guide when I am asleep, and he is my spirit guide when he is asleep.

Hmm this all really adds a greater range of possibilities than I had been thinking of.