Thread: Lucid dream vs out of body???

A lucid dream is simply a dream where you are aware that you are dreaming.

A false awakening is when you dream that you have woken up, but you are really still dreaming. They can be lucid or nonlucid (meaning you might be aware that you are still dreaming, or you might not).

An OBE is just an experience of being out of your body...some people consider them merely a type of lucid dream, some people consider them something more esoteric and spiritual. Can also be lucid or nonlucid.

Originally Posted by nina

A lucid dream is simply a dream where you are aware that you are dreaming.

A false awakening is when you dream that you have woken up, but you are really still dreaming. They can be lucid or nonlucid (meaning you might be aware that you are still dreaming, or you might not).

An OBE is just an experience of being out of your body...some people consider them merely a type of lucid dream, some people consider them something more esoteric and spiritual. Can also be lucid or nonlucid.

yea but is an out of body just dreaming that you come out of your body?

Originally Posted by Qwer

yea but is an out of body just dreaming that you come out of your body?

Out-of-body experience - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

(not trying to be a smart ass, wikipedia explains most things better than I can)

According to obe4all.com, lucid dreaming, astral projection, and the out of body experience are all the same thing. Obe4all describes this as "the phase".

For me personally I have no idea whether they are all the same thing or not. If you can come up with a definite answer to this question, well then I guess you are better than I .

I also think they are all types of LDs. OBEs are usual in WILDs probably because the brain recreates the last physicsl location when awake and because there insn't sleep between waking and dream. One goes straight from waking to an LD. I don't think there can be non lucid OBEs because the experience is so strong that awareness is not lost not even for a second.

Ok. It's just I looked at it on YouTube and the induction was exactly the same as a Deild.

So I was thinking that you dream about eat your thinking about and they do a Deild so they are in a dream were they get out of there body

Originally Posted by Qwer

Ok. It's just I looked at it on YouTube and the induction was exactly the same as a Deild.

Well the main difference between trying to have an OBE and trying to have a lucid dream takes place during the vibrational stage of sleep paralysis. Typically, one would wait through this stage until the hypnagogic imagery eventually forms a dream, and you'll find yourself inside a LD. But if you're trying to have an OBE, you can attempt to struggle, or "roll out" of your sleeping body during the vibrational stage of sleep paralysis. (you gotta time it right, because if you try too early into this stage, then you'll just end up waking yourself up, so it can be tricky to know exactly when to make the attempt) Often you will have to struggle against what feels like enormous g-forces to lift your head up, it will seem extraordinarily heavy...but once you get your head and neck up, the rest of the body follows pretty easily. Or you might find that there is no struggle at all, and you are spontaneously transported to a floating position out of your body or standing at your bedside. You'll experience it differently each time. Hopefully that helps somewhat.

I have some curious experiences with OBEs, sometimes it is rather heavy to lift or roll out of the supposed still ordinary body, sometimes it goes effortlessly. What puzzles me is the fact that we are induced to believe that something (consciousness, soul, mind, dream body, astral body or whatever name you want to give it) is going out of the ordinary body, but when observed carefuly, all the environment, the bedroom, the lying body and whatever experiences form after the exiting experience with all the vibrations, sounds, paralysis, they are all formed in a dream pattern with typical inconsistencies, like the bedroom is a little different, new images begin to form, characters appear and so on. The only difference from an OBE and a typical LD is the fact that lucidity or awareness is very strong in all the stages.

Ok, OBE's/Astral Projecting, can depend on the definition with whatever you believe.
Astral projecting is projecting on the astral plane. Lucid dreaming/dreaming is on the dream plane.
Just as we live on the physical plane.
Some people think AP's and OBE's are the same, but really, it all is personal beliefs.

Looks like everyone answered this, but another thing to add:

Lucid Dreaming is scientifically proven.

OBE's are not.

Originally Posted by Qwer

yea but is an out of body just dreaming that you come out of your body?

To L.R. we all OBE every night. But if we dont return to our bodies befor wakeup time then when we wake we only have unrelyable dreams. The art of true OBE is the discipline of coming back early enough to carefully re-enter the, (cold and smelly) body with full awareness.

According to those who say that they can have a OBE. You can see the real world in a obe and visit real places and see real people. That mean that you can visit a friend from across the world, and see what he is doing. This is not proven by science tho.
A lucid dream is when you are aware that you are dreaming. This dosen't happen in the real world, so theres no "spying" on a friend from across the world. This is proven by science.

Lucid Dream: A dream in which you know you are dreaming.
OBE: The sensation of being outside of your own body.
Astral Projection: The actual (alleged) act of consciously breaking away from the physical realm, and interacting with an actual, objective, "Astral Plane."

The distinction is this:

Both Lucid Dreaming and Astral Projecting are very specific things. If you are Lucid Dreaming, then you know you are only dreaming. If you are Astral Projecting, then you are (allegedly) not dreaming. You are consciously leaving your body and venturing off into the Astral realm. Therefore, an Astral Projection (assuming it's a real phenomenon, for the sake of argument) is not a Lucid Dream.

An OBE, on the other hand, could mean either one. Whether you know you are just dreaming that you have left your body, or you believe you have actually, consciously left your body, they would both still classify as OBE's because you are having the experience of being outside of your body. Whether that experience is real or simulated doesn't matter, when you're simply trying to define 'OBE'.

Hope this helps to clear up any confusion that might be left over.

In my opinion OBE/AP is still just a lucid dream. You can experience the same things while lucid, which people consider to be OBE/AP...

They are the same thing. The only difference is you are aware when you Astral Project/OBE.
Lucid Dreaming is sleeping.

The Astral Plane is Really where you go when you dream, its all the same thing.

Don't know much about Astral Projection, but I hear it can be dangerous. Is that true?

Nope you have seen to much insidius

According to EWLD the main thing is in OBE you dont have a dream body. But you can find one and inhabit it if you want. In OBE since you do it from WILD you may think you are still awake. You see you body on the bed, but its your dream body not your real body. This is just what ive read... No experience with OBE.

Originally Posted by Appe96

Nope you have seen to much insidius

lol true

Originally Posted by Rothgar

According to EWLD the main thing is in OBE you dont have a dream body. But you can find one and inhabit it if you want. In OBE since you do it from WILD you may think you are still awake. You see you body on the bed, but its your dream body not your real body. This is just what ive read... No experience with OBE.

Not strictly true.

The basic definition of an OBE is when your brain's mobile body image becomes dissociated from the physical body. That's it. Note that OBEs and NDEs can occur in Non-REM, even when you aren't remotely near sleep.
Cortical homunculus - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
^I believe this is what many people who believe in astral projection confuse for the 'energy body', bear in mind that there's nothing paranormal about this, it's simply the virtual model that your brain uses to keep track of where your body parts are, that's why you have an awareness of your legs even when you can't see they're there. Malfunction of this leads to phantom limb disorder.

I think that OBEs occur when this become detached from the body, your brain then creates dream imagery of your surroundings to 'fill in the gaps' so to speak.

It's the cortical homonculus that gives you a dream body in your dreams when your actual body is paralysed.