Thread: Is lucid dreaming worth the possible consequences?

Hello,

I am really a non believer in such things like ufos demons ghosts etc, just because i never experienced something like that and it's not scientifically proved. If its not there its not there. Maybe your soul is already messed up with all those fucking bull crap.. and that's why your scared now....? I am just saying.. I think THAT what makes your soul and mind fucked up and scared.

hey crashyy,
First of all you are entitled to your own opinion and I respect that, but really you don't have nothing to worry about. I'm not here to change your beliefs but i'm afraid the only thing on your list that is actually possible is UFO's everything else, in my opinion, is crap and has know scientific evidence what so ever. I don't even though why you associate it with lucid dreaming because it is a scientifically proven and studied a phenomenon. Also all you were experiencing while you were having a WILD is Sleep Paralysis and is again is scientifically proven and in short all you were experiencing was a hallucination because you were in a pre-sleep state. Commonly hallucinations are ghosts, demons, aliens, beings, entities, shadow persons etc... Finally about you not being able to have lucid dreaming because of you schedule, im afraid I can't comment on that because I'm only 15 but there are many other adults on this forum that can tell you what they do to fit it in to there time.
Again I can not stress enough that i'm trying to convert your opinion on these things but i'm afraid you can't argue with the facts.
Hope you have a good day/night

Btw please don't give up lucid dreaming it's amazing!!!

If you don't want to stop, I don't think you should. Personally I would never give up something I enjoyed, what's life worth I you don't enjoy it? Honestly I'm skeptical about the astral plane and all that, but it depends on what you believe whether or not it is a "sin". In my opinion actions can't be a sin if it happens unintentionally, because how fair is that? It sounds like you are super busy too, I know the feeling. It won't last forever though, and lucid dreaming could be great stress relief. If you feel like it is too much right now, come back to it later.

Also in your signature it says you only have two wilds, I know the last one left a bad taste in your mouth, but is it really fair to condemn a whole method of LDing because of one bad experience? I'd encourage you to try it again, the more you think about your fear and the more you avoid WILDing, the more it gets reinforced that you should not do wilds. That is all in your head.

Alright first off you should probably know something about astral projection, it is not proven yet.People say they do it or experience it but the truth is they could have just really fallen into a lucid dream and dream they were in a OBE. Also the so called "experts" on OBEs say that you have a cord attached to your body so no "demon" can take it. Also the "experts" say that you have no physical presence and no one can see you not ghostd or demons or anything so you are safe. I think you more likely fell into a lucid dream and thought you were having a OBE. So no don't worry and continue with your lucid adventures!

Ok here is a spiritual answer and solution to your question:

Look up Thomas Campbell and Robert Monroe, the two most pragmatic and scientific authors on the subject. Campbell is a former NASA employee and Monroe was a the man who researched brainwaves and come up with the idea of binaurals beats. I don't want to justify them with titles, I just want to make it clear that these people didn't choosed to believe in astral projection or OBE (the term was made by Monroe), they just experienced it and they didn't even believed in the phenomenon by then, they KNEW it existed.

Anyway watch this video of Monroe himself: Robert Monroe explains his first OOBE. - YouTube

In the end he says something very important, he have explored this world for many years and still remain healthy and sane.

Thomas Campbell talk about theoritcal physics that explain that the best explanation for our existence is that it's simulated from our consciousness, so in a way you are not in a physical body right now, it's just your awareness that is. Just like when you play a videogame your consciousness is not in the character of the game, only your awareness is. And the same goes for OBE/AP/ and lucid dreaming, you can't get physically hurt because you are not physically there! In physical reality you can get hurt though, although the cool thing with this theory is that not even death will make your consciousness die.

And with an OBE that provides you with factual information that proves that you were out (and that you can repeat these kind of experiences to prove it scientifically), you can see this truth for yourself!

Here is Thomas Campbell's lecture. (The theory might look interesting mindblowing or perhaps stupid and wrong), but all that doesn't matter!
Because there is one thing that gives more knowledge and truth than a solid theory and that is experience!

Thomas Campbell - The Monroe Institute Lecture - 1/12 - YouTube

You can for example say that lucid dreaming is plausible because of the aminergic system and cholinergic system does this and that, but it's not until you experience the truth for yourself that you actually KNOW! Lucid Dream Technique - Brain Chemistry - YouTube
But as with all science it needs to be able to get repeated to be "considered" valid.

However the pont with this point is that you can't get hurt from your dreams.

And well if it is possible, it seems to be very hard, think of it like a videogame, sure you can get hurt emotionally from playing Amnesia, but your consciousness is immortal.

I hope this stops you from quitting. =)

Originally Posted by Crashyy

I'm actually considering to quit lucid dreaming. I really don't want to. It's actually the only thing I LOVE to do. But I'm getting afraid. Even though I'm actually getting better and better at lucid dreaming. At the moment, I really don't have much time to focus on lucid dreaming. I've got a job, I go to school, I'm going for my driving licence, I'm usually very tired when I get home. I can't do any reality checks during the day. So MILD/DILD isn't an option for me anymore. And I'm too scared to WILD. Because of what happened two nights ago. If you don't know what happened, feel free to watch my thread: http://www.dreamviews.com/f19/dream-sp-obe-ld-138824/ So I know most people here on dreamviews are quite Skeptical when it comes to: Out of body experiences, astral projection, astral plane, afterlife, ghosts, demons, aliens, beings, entities, shadow persons,.. Most of you guys don't believe in stuff like that. No offence though But I really do believe in all of these things. Lucid dreaming is completely harmless unless you're having an out of body experience or astral projection instead. The only thing I wanted to do was to have a lucid dream with WILD. But no, instead I got an out of body experience before my lucid dream. Loads of people are actually saying that astral projection is a sin, well is it? I really don't wanna 'fuck up' my soul by doing these things. And people say that you shouldn't mess with stuff like that. The last thing I wanna do is to open a gateway between the astral realm and my house. There are loads and loads of stories out there about people who's home is haunted. I know some stories are fake and some are real. But I really don't want that to happen. I'm actually jealous of all the people here on DV who can WILD and then find themselves in a dream without an obe/ap. Gab told me you can protect yourself by imagining a bright light around you. Well I'm sure that'll work when you're out there. But it won't stop entities/beings w/e you wanna call them from following you back to your place. So at this moment, I'm spiritually scared and I really don't know what to do. I've posted the same thread on ATS yesterday which is a site about conspiracies, ufos, paranormal studies,.. And I got loads of pms from people who're telling me that I should stop. Feel free to check the replies I got, if you have some time: Can I trust these beings?, page 1 Do you guys think I should stop lucid dreaming/Wilding when I actually don't want to? I really can use some help

I see a few issues here.

1. For a DILD, all you need is 20 seconds few times a day for your RC. Everybody has that much time.

2. You will most likely never have another OBE by accident. And even if you do, all you have to do is think of your sleeping body and you get back to your body in an instant.

3. You need to do the work yourself and educate yourself by reading many great OBE websites. I'm sure I have gave you some links previously.
Just asking a few questions here and there will not answer your questions. Especially, if the answers come from people who have never experienced what you have. No offence to anyone.

4. Astral realm is just like any other place. There are bad and good entities, bad and good places. Just like in any city. Our parents are teaching us how to stay out of trouble from childhood. You have to learn about these new realms, same way, as you would if you were visiting a strange new country. About what to do, what not to do, how to act if something happens.

All this can be found on the OBE websites and some threads in Beyond dreaming. It's a long read, but it will give you information from which you can form your own opinion.

You making it harder on yourself than it needs to be by insisting on WILDing.

Please let me know if you want this moved to Beyond dreaming. Your title says LDing, but your question is more about OBEs? Not sure.

Hey Crashyy, I have seen you around but haven't ever talked much to ya.

I was going to mention the part you said "sin" I wasn't sure if you are a certain religion that thinks that this is a sin. I am a christian, which (I believe) uses the term sin more often than anyone else.

I was worried about LDing being a sin at the beginning, but I couldn't find anything against it at all. I looked up verses and verses and couldn't find anything.

SO. I am not even sure if AP is bad or not. I stay away because it seems weird and I do not plan to look it up or anything.

so lets go through the 2 different options:

1 you are trying to LD and it isn't a sin to AP. No worries.

2 you are trying to LD and it is a sin to LD. God is a just God, he won't punish you for something happening beyond your control. If you are outside your body, and you weren't trying to, then it is not you that got you out of it.

Also, LDing, AP, OBE's should not be tried by someone that is scared or worried. This is a very prominent emotion and will make things seem even worse and can cause things like lucid nightmares which I have heard are really, really, scary. So you need to make sure that you are not afraid if you continue on.

I hope that you become not afraid and choose to stay. I am not happy each time I see the people that get on here for a while, try really hard, and then just leave. It saddens me. All of their goals will go undone.

Sorry to hear about your experience but you really shouldn't give up on LDing just for one scare. If you are still worried after what others have posted on this thread I would recommend not WILDing and instead use a different technique such as DILD/MILD.

Originally Posted by gab

I see a few issues here.

1. For a DILD, all you need is 20 seconds few times a day for your RC. Everybody has that much time.

2. You will most likely never have another OBE by accident. And even if you do, all you have to do is think of your sleeping body and you get back to your body in an instant.

3. You need to do the work yourself and educate yourself by reading many great OBE websites. I'm sure I have gave you some links previously.
Just asking a few questions here and there will not answer your questions. Especially, if the answers come from people who have never experienced what you have. No offence to anyone.

4. Astral realm is just like any other place. There are bad and good entities, bad and good places. Just like in any city. Our parents are teaching us how to stay out of trouble from childhood. You have to learn about these new realms, same way, as you would if you were visiting a strange new country. About what to do, what not to do, how to act if something happens.

All this can be found on the OBE websites and some threads in Beyond dreaming. It's a long read, but it will give you information from which you can form your own opinion.

You making it harder on yourself than it needs to be by insisting on WILDing.

Please let me know if you want this moved to Beyond dreaming. Your title says LDing, but your question is more about OBEs? Not sure.

I agree completely with this.
I think the problem is that you are just backing out of it too fast because of one bad experience. Same thing happened with the bus rides and they turned out fine.
Of course you will get those types of responses of a top secret forum. If you went to another forum about communicating with alien entities I'm sure you could have got some compeltely different replies stating how close you were.
Thing is you'll never know how far you got or what you missed out on if you never try.
There is so much to offer from lucid dreaming and AP (if you believe in it) it would be a real shame if you were to give up on it.

Originally Posted by Crashyy

I'm actually considering to quit lucid dreaming. I really don't want to. It's actually the only thing I LOVE to do. But I'm getting afraid. Even though I'm actually getting better and better at lucid dreaming. At the moment, I really don't have much time to focus on lucid dreaming. I've got a job, I go to school, I'm going for my driving licence, I'm usually very tired when I get home. I can't do any reality checks during the day. So MILD/DILD isn't an option for me anymore. And I'm too scared to WILD. Because of what happened two nights ago. If you don't know what happened, feel free to watch my thread: http://www.dreamviews.com/f19/dream-sp-obe-ld-138824/ So I know most people here on dreamviews are quite Skeptical when it comes to: Out of body experiences, astral projection, astral plane, afterlife, ghosts, demons, aliens, beings, entities, shadow persons,.. Most of you guys don't believe in stuff like that. No offence though But I really do believe in all of these things. Lucid dreaming is completely harmless unless you're having an out of body experience or astral projection instead. The only thing I wanted to do was to have a lucid dream with WILD. But no, instead I got an out of body experience before my lucid dream. Loads of people are actually saying that astral projection is a sin, well is it? I really don't wanna 'fuck up' my soul by doing these things. And people say that you shouldn't mess with stuff like that. The last thing I wanna do is to open a gateway between the astral realm and my house. There are loads and loads of stories out there about people who's home is haunted. I know some stories are fake and some are real. But I really don't want that to happen. I'm actually jealous of all the people here on DV who can WILD and then find themselves in a dream without an obe/ap. Gab told me you can protect yourself by imagining a bright light around you. Well I'm sure that'll work when you're out there. But it won't stop entities/beings w/e you wanna call them from following you back to your place. So at this moment, I'm spiritually scared and I really don't know what to do. I've posted the same thread on ATS yesterday which is a site about conspiracies, ufos, paranormal studies,.. And I got loads of pms from people who're telling me that I should stop. Feel free to check the replies I got, if you have some time: Can I trust these beings?, page 1 Do you guys think I should stop lucid dreaming/Wilding when I actually don't want to? I really can use some help

Thanks

-Brent

grow up seriously. You sound like a first grader whose afraid of the monster underneath his bed. Just reread each sentence you just wrote and ask yourself wtf you were thinking when you wrote that. I remember i slightly believed in the spiritual side of OBE/astral projection and bought a book by Robert Monroe. After reading his book i realized how stupid it really was. He went on saying he astral projected with his pets and he would just chill watching his kids souls fly through the air during their astral projections.

Someone's been watching too many fantasy/horror films and not enough science documentary's!

I'll tell you right now, I've seen a UFO and I have ghosts who watch me occasionally, and I know beyond the shadow of a doubt, it has nothing to do with lucid dreaming. If you really love lucid dreaming like you said, you wouldn't give up on it. Also, you don't want to fuck up your soul? lolwut? I don't think that's going to happen. Trust me, the only way you can do that is by making the wrong moral choices in life. Lucid dreaming is a side activity like exercise, you won't mess with your soul by doing it.

Hi Crashy,
I'm sorry to hear about your bad experience regarding LD, and WILD in general.
Well all I can say is you have acheived more than me in that department, so good on you for at least trying and giving it a go.
However I'm like the other Guys on here that don't want to see you give up as such. The only thing is at the end of the day you are still young (unlike me?) and you can come back to it whenever you feel like it.
Take a break if you must, or relax a bit. Enjoy your life. Learn to drive. See your favourite bands, etc.

I have been there when I was at Art college. I bought 'the book,' the 'T shirt,' etc. if you know what I mean about LD and OBE when it was less known about. (There were no websites back then.)
Sure enough, I ended up with the 'old hag,' the bad FA's, the hallucinations in the dark, and the strange turning and twisting sensations which made me sh*t bricks.
I told some friends about hypnagogia and the voices you can hear, etc. and they looked at me like I was mad!
Then, like you, I was young and impressionable at the time.

I had a break from it, but I still always had a basic interest in dreaming, etc.
I returned when I felt that I was more ready, knew a little more, and where I could devote time, as and when I could choose, without outside worry or anxiety which could influence my experiences.

I would have thought (as some of the above posters have mentioned) that DILD would probably be the best option for now, but at the end of the day it is your choice.

Regards and good luck.

In agreement with LucidMoon, you sound very superstitiously afraid. Lucid dreaming is perfectly fine, though if you cannot recognize a dream as merely a dream, then you should perhaps avoid lucid dreaming.

Even if those things are not externally real, if you believe them, they will impact your lucid dreaming.
You could try putting a protective shield around you before attempting to lucid dream, through whatever method you feel comfortable with, be it simply imagining it or doing a ritual.

Is walking out your front door in the morning worth the possible consequences? You'll face far more danger in your everyday life than you will lucid dreaming.

Crashyy, I'll be honest with you. I'm in the boat with BrandonBoss, and there are really only two things this can be [from my perspective, which you can totally ignore]:

1. Your head.
2. Demons.

If it is just in your head, then do what that jerk, xpin2winx, said to do and grow up. we all could grow up a little...

If it's actually demons, then there are two courses of action. You can either consider the situation so atheistically that they leave you alone... or you can be a badass, God-powered, demon-thrashing "dream exorcist" like me.

I would honestly challenge the demons to do their worst, don't be surprised when they do absolutely nothing.

Originally Posted by Crashyy

I'm actually considering to quit lucid dreaming. I really don't want to. It's actually the only thing I LOVE to do. But I'm getting afraid. Even though I'm actually getting better and better at lucid dreaming. At the moment, I really don't have much time to focus on lucid dreaming. I've got a job, I go to school, I'm going for my driving licence, I'm usually very tired when I get home. I can't do any reality checks during the day. So MILD/DILD isn't an option for me anymore. And I'm too scared to WILD. Because of what happened two nights ago. If you don't know what happened, feel free to watch my thread: http://www.dreamviews.com/f19/dream-sp-obe-ld-138824/ So I know most people here on dreamviews are quite Skeptical when it comes to: Out of body experiences, astral projection, astral plane, afterlife, ghosts, demons, aliens, beings, entities, shadow persons,.. Most of you guys don't believe in stuff like that. No offence though But I really do believe in all of these things. Lucid dreaming is completely harmless unless you're having an out of body experience or astral projection instead. The only thing I wanted to do was to have a lucid dream with WILD. But no, instead I got an out of body experience before my lucid dream. Loads of people are actually saying that astral projection is a sin, well is it? I really don't wanna 'fuck up' my soul by doing these things. And people say that you shouldn't mess with stuff like that. The last thing I wanna do is to open a gateway between the astral realm and my house. There are loads and loads of stories out there about people who's home is haunted. I know some stories are fake and some are real. But I really don't want that to happen. I'm actually jealous of all the people here on DV who can WILD and then find themselves in a dream without an obe/ap. Gab told me you can protect yourself by imagining a bright light around you. Well I'm sure that'll work when you're out there. But it won't stop entities/beings w/e you wanna call them from following you back to your place. So at this moment, I'm spiritually scared and I really don't know what to do. I've posted the same thread on ATS yesterday which is a site about conspiracies, ufos, paranormal studies,.. And I got loads of pms from people who're telling me that I should stop. Feel free to check the replies I got, if you have some time: Can I trust these beings?, page 1 Do you guys think I should stop lucid dreaming/Wilding when I actually don't want to? I really can use some help

Thanks

-Brent

Firstly, let me tell you I myself am a budding conspiracy theorist, but there are some real nutjobs on the ATS forums. There are some major misconceptions with astral projection. It is different to lucid dreaming (AP is external, LD is internal) and OOBEs are the exact same thing as astral projection. It is pretty hard to be injured on the Astral plane, just call a spiritual master or protector for help.

P.S. There are NO negative consequences in lucid dreaming.

I personally think OBE/AP is just a type of LD, so i say go ahead and continue with lucid dreaming, especially since you like lucid dreaming .

I don't do all day awareness for my DILD. Even if you're busy, you should be able to sleep in late on weekends and that will give you more time for dreaming. My lucids usually come to me when I least expect it. You should try MILD, it's actually pretty helpful, before you go to bed, you can think about some lucid dreaming stuff and remind yourself to realise you are dreaming. I believe that increases your chance of lucid dreams.

You can give up lucid dream but don't take it too seriously when you're saying that. Come back to it when you're free, leave it aside when you're busy, don't use WILD if you don't like it there are other methods available.

So I've decided what I'm going to do. I'm gonna take a break from lucid dreaming for a week until 21 december 2012. Basically just to clear my head. I'll be still recalling my dreams though. I'm not quitting. Because that would be stupid after 8 months of putting effort into lucid dreaming. And I really love it :'D. I'm actually still afraid of what happened during the OBE. But I guess nothing can harm me wether it's during an out of body experience or lucid dream. I'm going to do some more research about out of body experiences though (just in case). There are so many people who can have successful WILDs so I don't see why I can't? I really wanna say thanks to everyone who replied on this thread. If I wouldn't have got all these replies. I probably would've quit already. So thanks everyone And hopefully my next lucid dreams/obes will be much more pleasant .

Sounds like a plan! Good luck to you

Originally Posted by Crashyy

So I've decided what I'm going to do. I'm gonna take a break from lucid dreaming for a week until 21 december 2012.

Idea: On December 21st, go find a girl that you have a secret crush on and tell her that if you see a meteor about to crash into earth that you will kiss her.
Or you can not do that, and not be a brash idiot like me. >_<