Think I've Mastered Lucid Dreaming!

[Mr0Blonde]

Hi Everyone. I'm writing this as I believe I have just Mastered how to Lucid Dream every night! This isn't a post to brag, more to just tell some like minded People who know what Lucid Dreaming is, as I've been trying for a while now and am obviously extremely pleased! I don't know anyone that has even really heard of Lucid Dreaming let alone practices it and it seems that most of Humanity, the Western World anyway has no idea of this amazing phenomenon. I don't think I have any new techniques to share but some, like WBTB I wasn't doing properly and that has made a huge difference now that I am. I also found that some nights I could Lucid 4 or 5 times (separate Lucids not linked) with ease believing I'd cracked it, then go 3 to 4 night without one. I'd remember what I'd eaten on the days where it was easy to Lucid and try to find if it was down to that or something I'd drunk, but found it wasn't down to anything like that. I've always been lucky enough to be a regular Lucid Dreamer since I started intentionally having them 2 Years ago, but the last couple of Months or so I've really tried to get to the next level. What I discovered just last week is what's been the difference from the times I can Lucid multiple times a night like it's the easiest thing in the World, to then not getting Lucid for the next few days. The difference is (for me anyway) just how awake my brain is. I realised on the Lucid nights after waking a couple of hours before getting up my mind was very awake and I had to force myself to go to sleep. On the non Lucid nights I was using the same techniques but without really realising it at the time was forcing myself to stay awake. The techniques I've been using are WBTB with MILD and sort of WILD at the same time as I sometimes WILD as I'm doing the MIlD. When I realised the difference in my state of mind it also made sense that's why I would have multiple Lucid's after having 1, as my state of awakeness was the same. I tried 3 nights ago to prove this to myself. After doing WBTB I knew as I was falling back to sleep that I was having to try to stay awake. I then thought to myself this isn't the right state and I might not become Lucid from this and......I didn't! The next night I made sure after WBTB when I'm laying down to go back to sleep that my mind was very active and it was hard to fall asleep. As I was trying now to fall asleep and not trying to stay awake I knew this was the state I was after and thought I bet I have a Lucid or Multiple Lucid's tonight*and........I DID! I wrote it down but as I had a busy day ahead of me I turned on my side to fall asleep quickly and I rarely have Lucid's on my side. I'm sure though I could of had multiple Lucid's that night had I chosen to stay on my back. Last night I tried the same again making sure my mind was fully awake and active and after a little trouble trying to fall back to sleep I went straight into Sleep Paralysis and then WILD! After waking to write my Lucid down I tried for another and bingo! Got one! Then after waking and writing that one down tried again and......well another Lucid! It's only 3 nights doing this I know, but I've never been able to predict with any accuracy when I will or won't have a Lucid....... until now! I know thats quite a long post but if you read it, Thanks for reading.

[Scionox]

Yo and congrats on lucid dreams! Though even if you think that you have 'mastered' it don't means you should stop finding ways to improve, that's an error some people make. Always search ways to improve, always go forward, set a goal to get as closer to the perfection as possible!

[JoannaB]

Impressive. Congratulations!

[Nicho]

So as a reference and guide to the rest of us, (ME) how exactly did you go about your WBTB routine, as the tuts I've read are to try and keep yourself in a sleepy state so as to be readily sleepy when you return to bed. How long do you stay up for, what do you do when you get up, i.e. do you put the tv on, play games, read/write or use your PC, anything you do might give us some insight and maybe your technique will work for others too. I'm ready to try anything new, still stuck, my dream recall is amazing now, to the point I'm remembering my dreams hours after I wake, I'm doing constant RC's every day, religiously, yet I'm not recognising dreams and some, nay most of my dreams are way out there, like I called my DJ 'The Ramblings of a Madman' as that's probably what it reads like to others. So what am I doing wrong, I'm frustrated and I don't know what to do next, so I'd be happy to be a test study for your Lucid Dreaming Mastery if you like, just gimme the blueprint. Aside from all that, congrats and I hope it's consistent, for you if no one else. Looking forward to your reply. Nicho...!

[Zoth]

It's nice to see that you've found your way into regular lucidity

[Sensei]

Very interesting! It is very similar to my method now of the micro WBTBs. I have a way to wake my mind up when I wake, but it sounds like you are doing better than me at it. I might concentrate more on waking up now since it is similar to what you are doing, so your key might be mine as well. I have noticed that it helps when more awake, but am often afraid of :insomnia:. Haha Congrats man. LDing is finding your path, and it seems like you have found yours. That is awesome. I do have a few questions though: Do you keep a DJ still? (Difficult the more dreams and LDs you have) Do you have a set sleep schedule? (8 hours or so at close to the same times every night) Do you wake up naturally?

[Sivason]

Then you are truely blessed. It is an amazing thing you are learning and it never ends. I agree that perhaps each time you will want to be more of a master. Now that you are in the game, move forward with intent. Perhaps spend a few months working on just a couple specific things. I recommend stabilzing, and being able to go to places you have choosen, or perhaps basic summoning. If you are already really awesome at that stuff, there is always some cool goal you can try to reach. Eventually teleporting is very, handy.

[muskee]

quick question, about how long are your lucids?

[Sageous]

^^ Excellent question, Muskee. In addition, MrOBlonde, could I also ask about the quality of all these LD's? Quantity is one thing-- and certainly a good thing, mind you, you do deserve credit -- but I'm not sure that simply getting lucid lots of times earns a "master" badge. Though I'm not sure what makes a person a master, I truly believe that mastery would involve using your self-awareness in dreams to elevate your consciousness and push the boundries of your experience as far out as possible. Mastery is not about simply being lucid lots of times, I think. It's about quality: making that lucidity count in a manner that transcends just, well, counting. I've been at this for decades, and I still feel decades away from mastery. Congratulations on your success, MrOBlonde, but I humbly suggest that you don't get cocky ... getting consistently lucid is only the first step of a very long journey.

[Xanous]

I was going to say something along the lines of Sageous' post but didn't have the delicate wording. I just want to add I remember not too long ago making a similar statement and ended up with a dry spell. Hopefully you really have found what works for you and it's not merely a hot streak.

[yondaime109]

Must be awesome man, You've motivated me. I'm going to keep using a lucid dream subliminal to master lucid dreaming! Day 1 starting now.

[Pakman43]

Great job! I also was very pleased when I first got the hang of WBTB. I get the same 5ish lucids in one go too.

[NyxCC]

What does it mean to master LD? Does it mean simply getting a great number of LDs or having as sageous suggested long stable ones? Lucid dreams are like a gateway to infinity, there is no limit to what we can do there, and unless you have lived for a thousand years, there will be many many things left to learn not only about Lds but also about yourself. Learning is a on going process and who knows when you have mastered LD if there are no definitions of LD mastery. Compared to some really experienced dreamers here, the rest of us are toddlers. Compared to yogis and buddhist monks probably all of us are just beginners. Despite their mastery, those real pros would be humble and wouldn't even consider bragging about it or participating in any kind of comparisons, they will just keep on doing what they're doing. Still, congratulations on your success in inducing so many LDs, this is a great step in the never-ending journey of ld.

[Mr0Blonde]

Ok didn't try last night as I had a good few beers and didn't go to bed till very late. Thanks Checker666. I agree mate, there's still much to learn! Thanks JoannaB. Hi Nicho. With WBTB I've also read it's best not to wake up to much and to stay out of bright light etc, but for me if I'm still pretty drowsy and feel I could fall back to sleep within just a few minutes it's not enough. I still have had Lucid Dreams that way but can't bank on them and have found that getting my brain active is the key. Ive been staying up for 30 minutes when doing WBTB. I'll usually go to the toilet then get back in bed sitting up and read on my iPad about Lucid Dreaming or The Nature Of Reality, something that interests me and is relevant to LDing. I'll then sit up so I'm not leaning on my head board for a few mins so I'm not to comfortable. I'll also do a few simple sums in my head and as I play Guitar, if I'm learning a new Finger Style arrangement I'll go over that in my head and that really seems to get my brain going. I'd say good Dream Recall is more than half the battle and also key in becoming a regular LDreamer so if yours is good now that's a great start! One thing that gave me quite a few LDreams when I first started was sort of a cheating way to get them but it gets you used to recognising the Lucid state. I would set my IPhone calendar alarm to go off every hour throughout the day and when it did I would RC until it became habit. Then in the couple of hours before I wanted to get up I'd have it set to go off every half hour so there was a chance it would go off during my Dreams, I'd hear it and become Lucid! It worked pretty well and I heard it in quite a few Dreams for a while, I'd hear it, be sure I was awake and think oh better RC so I do when I'm Dreaming and.....6 fingers! I'm pretty sure it would also wake me for very brief moments in the night without me even realising it and I would slip into a sort of WILD because of it. I can tell it was the Phone alarm because of the times some of my Lucid's where occurring and I'd often be Lucid laying in bed as you do from a WILD. This method only works for a while though as your brain gets used to it going off but it definitely helped me get a lot more Lucid's in the beginning than I would of had without it and like I said before it gets you used to the Lucid state. Zoth00. Thank you mate. Brandon Boss. Thanks mate. Yeah I do still keep a Dream Journal but don't write all the Dreams I have anymore. I'll sometimes write down just a couple of Non Lucid's in a night (I usually remember between 4 and 9 a night!) but if I have Lucid's I will only write them and not bother with the Non Lucid's. I write down every Lucid I have as I enjoy writing them down, when I've seen some amazing sights or heard something very interesting from a DC it makes the hairs on the back of my neck stand up whilst writing it down, like a surge of energy. I go to bed pretty much around the same time every night give or take an hour but don't really try to, just seem to get tiered around the same time most week nights.* I do naturally wake after a few hours sleep so it's easy to do the WBTB and I always wake after having a Lucid. You look like your doing something right already though mate, nice lot of Lucid's this Year already, Well done! Sivason. Thank you. That's exactly what I've been thinking myself. The last month or so I've been working on Stabilisation methods and Linking LD's together with great success! There are so many things I want to try I thought it's best to get as many regular and stable Lucid's as possible before I really start to explore again. Muskee. I've had many long Lucid's but on average I'd say most of my Lucid's were about 5-10 minutes long. However after practising Stabilisation and Linking over the last Month they're on average about 10-20 minutes long now though I'm sure they will keep on increasing. I discovered that I was losing a lot of Lucid's by the act of Stabilising itself! It was sort of the "don't think about an Elephant scenario" where I'm trying not to wake up and by Stabilising, unintentionally thinking of waking making me do so. I would be in a perfectly good LDream and after 5 minutes or so think i'll Stabilise as I've been in a while and as I do the Dream would fade and I'd wake up. This made me more interested in Linking Lucid's together and now I can do that, sometimes many times in a row when the Dream fades so I don't even think about Stabilising the Lucid anymore (except at the very beginning) which in itself is making them longer. Hi Sageous and NyxCC. The quality of around 95% of my Lucid's are about as real as it can get, I have all my senses and complete self awareness. I also have full waking consciousness making doing tasks, completing goals or finding out info i want to know very easy for me. I've read there are many different levels of Lucidity and that only a small percent have all there senses and waking consciousness in tacked, but again I must just be one of the lucky ones. Nothing I've done has made them that way, thats just how they've been from the beginning. It's funny because even though I know I have a Universe filled with endless possibilities to play with I often still do very mundane things throughout my Lucid's, like picking up a book to feel its weight or placing my hands in a sink full of water just because I'm amazed at what I'm seeing and feeling isn't physically there! Having long conversations with interesting DC's I even use mnemonics as I do in waking life to remember as many details as possible. On a Lucid I had just a few nights ago, as I went to kiss a woman on the neck, before my lips touched I could feel the warmth from her body on my face! that sort of realism just blows me away and is what fascinates me about LDing! The other 5% are sometimes dark and it's hard to focus or the weight of things feels wrong. Sometimes I get the odd one lacking in detail like it's made up of old blocky computer pixels and some I sort of get caught up in the way the Dream is going and don't veer to far from its original path. I had another interesting one a couple of weeks ago where as far as my eyes could see was a breathtaking view of old tall ships like HMS Victory on a large river spanned by huge suspension bridges, all under a beautiful sunset/rise. As I look closer however it was all (apart from the Sunset/Rise) made to real life scale of colourful Lego blocks! Lol you and NyxCC are right, when I say Mastered I meant only as in getting into Lucid's on a nightly basis (if it keeps up that is) but there is much I want to learn from being Lucid. It's now I feel I can truly explore it and try for things like Enlightenment, test the limits of my imagination and learn from my subconscious. And NyxCC as I say I'm not bragging, just wanted to share as none of my mates or anybody I know has any idea or interest in LDing. Xanous. (Hopefully you really have found what works for you and it's not merely a hot streak.) Lol, you and me both! To be honest if it is just a coincidence or hot streak it wouldn't bother me to much, for the last year I've never gone more than 4 nights without being Lucid, and I Lucid without fail 3-6 Nights a week. It's just been my main long term goal to be able to Lucid every night! The difference with what I'm doing now though is being able to predict what night I will and what night I won't have a Lucid, so far anyway so fingers crossed. Yondaime109. Thanks for the comment. I'm glad you're inspired and good luck. Just keep at it, it's so worth it! Nice one Pacman43, thanks for the comment. Thanks Everyone for the Comments and Questions, I hope I've helped, if even a little. If I missed any Questions or you have any more, feel free to ask.

[NyxCC]

Lol! That is one heck of a long reply. Guess there is only one thing left for me to say: dream on!

[Woodstock]

The difference is (for me anyway) just how awake my brain is. I realised on the Lucid nights after waking a couple of hours before getting up my mind was very awake and I had to force myself to go to sleep. On the non Lucid nights I was using the same techniques but without really realising it at the time was forcing myself to stay awake. The techniques I've been using are WBTB with MILD and sort of WILD at the same time as I sometimes WILD as I'm doing the MIlD. When I realised the difference in my state of mind it also made sense that's why I would have multiple Lucid's after having 1, as my state of awakeness was the same. I haven't thought about this before, but it makes sense. I have a weird way of becoming lucid, I listen to music and try not to think too much, but still try not to fall asleep unconsciously. When I'm too tired I end up sleeping quickly, but if I'm more awake I can stay conscious while falling asleep, so I'm lucid right when the dream starts. I hadn't really noticed it until now.

[Mr0Blonde]

Just thought I'd do an update as it's been a couple more nights and I've hit a small teething problem. I tried again 2 nights ago and did the WBTB a couple of hours before I had to get up but this time my mind was really racing after doing it and I had a very hard time falling back to sleep on my back. I know if I turn on my side I'll fall asleep within a few minutes but then have a good chance of not becoming Lucid. After what seemed like forever I finally managed to drift off, got into a Lucid straight away and saw the Dream form around me, so success! But there's no way I want to do that every night. I then did a little reading Yesterday on ways to calm the Brain if it gets to active like that again and found something about Astral Travel, which some people think is another thing entirely from LDing and others think is the same. I read about a simple breathing technique, feeling the air go into your nose and then filling your lungs, then feel as it all comes out of your mouth. Also whilst doing this clear your mind of all thoughts, the tecniques given to do this I had already thought of and been using naturally myself for a while anyway so found it easy to clear my mind. Every so often though I'd slip in an "I'm dreaming" to try for a MILD incase the WILD/Astral Protection didn't work. Lastly to get Astral it said to imagine yourself falling! Last night after WBTB I thought i'd try this out but I only tried WBTB for about 10 minutes as I felt my Brain was already active enough. I did the techniques described and after about 10 minutes felt very relaxed but didn't feel any Sleep Paralysis sensations or anything, then I remembered to imagine falling and as I did.....the buzzing started happening straight away! I imagined again and it got stronger so I just lay there waiting for it to go and then get out of my body as I've done many times before. Just as I fly out through my window though there's a loud bang outside and it pulls me straight out of the Lucid and I'm awake, Gutted!! I stay very still though and try again but it doesn't work so wait until I'm completely relaxed again and then imagine falling again and.....it all starts again same as before and I get out of my body and go out my window again, this time having a Lucid/Astral Projection that lasts for around 10-15 minuets! Just incase anyone is trying to get there Brain active as I said was the key (for me anyway.) I've now found that there is a fine line between active and very active and when it's too active it's annoying to say the lest! These techniques helped me to slow the brain though, enough to fall asleep within a reasonable time, so thought I'd share incase anyone gets the same problem after reading my first post on here.

[wouterjongeneel]

I only wish that I could lucid dream whenever I want, like you can, so good job man. I have a question though. Isn't one of the most important things about lucid dreaming to have faith in that you'll have success? I've read numerous times that you will fail something if you don't have faith, if you don't expect it to succeed. I tried 3 nights ago to prove this to myself. After doing WBTB I knew as I was falling back to sleep that I was having to try to stay awake. I then thought to myself this isn't the right state and I might not become Lucid from this and......I didn't! Here you're ready to fall asleep but you don't expect it to work anyway, so it's not strange that you failed to have a lucid dream. You didn't have faith. The next night I made sure after WBTB when I'm laying down to go back to sleep that my mind was very active and it was hard to fall asleep. As I was trying now to fall asleep and not trying to stay awake I knew this was the state I was after and thought I bet I have a Lucid or Multiple Lucid's tonight*and........I DID! Same thing here, but because you truly believed you were going to have a lucid dream, you actually DID have a lucid dream. It all worked because you had faith. Just wanted to point that out Keep up the good work!

[Mr0Blonde]

Wouterjongeneel. Thanks man. Good point, I thought someone might think this and it crossed my mind also, but to be honest I think although it very much helps to expect a Lucid, I don't think it's quite as Key as people think. On that night when I thought I wasn't in the right state I was looking for, I only thought I might not become Lucid, I didn't think I wouldn't become Lucid because I pretty much always expect to be Lucid as I'm Lucid very often anyway. However about a month ago when I started feeling like I was getting close to nightly Lucid Dreaming, I had a few nights where I first had 4-5 separate Lucid's in one night. After the first time having 5 in one night, it felt so easy that I was sure I'd cracked it and was more certain than ever I would have at least one Lucid the next night, never had my expectation been so high of having a Lucid and what happened.........Nothing, not one Lucid! I put that down to maybe being to tired so was still sure with a very high expectation of having one the next night and........Nothing! The next night however I had 4 Lucid's in one night and again it seemed so easy and again I thought I'd cracked it as I thought something I'd eaten had helped. The next night I ate the same thing and was fully expecting at least one Lucid and.......Nothing! So like I say being positive and expecting Lucid Dreams is a good way to go, but this proves that it's not the main Key to having them (for me anyway.) Oh and so far so good, been Lucid every night since the 16th except 2! 1 being the one I mentioned because of Drinking and the other was 2 days ago as I was to tired to try.

[wouterjongeneel]

Yeah, you're right. It's very important to believe that you'll succeed, but it's not a 100% guarantee. Your examples are proof So, tonight possibly the 7th night in a row? Good luck and have fun!

[Mr0Blonde]

Wouterjongeneel. I must of missed that last post mate sorry about that. I've just last night got my long time goal of being Lucid every night of the Week! I had 5 nights in a row last week, but went out and I don't try to lucid if I've been out drinking. I'd also had 4 nights Lucid in a row the week before, but again then went out. This Saturday just gone though I was on 5 nights in a row and thought, I won't go out, then Sat and last night got Lucid and have done it! After 2 Years trying. Last update on this post. It's been about 3 weeks now since I thought I'd cracked it (having Lucids at will that is, not the whole entire of Lucid Dreaming) and have had at least 1 Lucid Dream every night I've tried since, which has been all but about 3 nights! One thing I'll add that I posted on the Aid section but might as well add on here also, is that eating Tuna Fish seems to really boost Dream vividness and increase Lucid Dreams! On the nights I ate Tuna a couple of hours before I went to sleep I had 3 or 4 Lucid Dreams, when I didn't I had 1 or 2 Lucid's and less vivid Non Lucid Dreams. So give it a try and let me know if you get results!