Thread: WILD - Wake Initiated Lucid Dream

Originally Posted by DrLuigi

Is that always with that method that you open your eyes and that you enter your dream?
I always thought that you will just start to sleep and get in a dreamstate like you would do normaly as you sleep.

Well, both. When you open your dream eyes, you are already asleep and dreaming. But sometimes you don't realize that, because when you keep your consciousness all the way into the dream, it can be hard to notice when the reality ends and dream starts. In other words, the transition from waking life into dream can be so smooth, that you thinking you are still awake, when in fact you are already asleep and in a dream. That's when you can rely on other clues, like vibrations, sense of falling/flying, or you can suddenly see your room.

About the dream eyes questions: sometimes I slowly open my dream eyes right after the vibrations, but sometimes I just imagine that my eyelids become transparent, and I start the dream from there.

Either works for me, but I guess it's just a personal thing. The vibrations and buzzing sounds for me are the real indicator, and what follows can vary, but it usually results in a ld as long as I keep focused and proceed slowly and with caution (so I don't accidentally wake up for real lol).

Well i had it a few times that i thought my eyelids were partly open due i saw a few parts of my room, and thats when i start trying to close my eyes and away my WILD is

Thats when i tryed doing some cloth on my eyes just so i can be sure it isnt my room for realz

thanks for the help ^^ Its now school so i probably wont do this due i think i might get in my dream to deep
I had it as a child i could hear my mom talking to me, when she was in real telling me to wake up, she pushed my arm and i remembered the day after that i had those feelings in the dream and what she said
I think your brains remember dreams alot better and easyer to get lucid tbh

I can't remember where I got the idea from but what do you think about nudging on the vibrations once they start? After a few tries where I nudged too hard and woke myself up, I feel like I have gotten pretty good at nudging on the vibrations whenever I notice them. The last two times I found myself being able to see through my closed eyelids and entered (something similar to?) a false awakening where I am in my room but knew it was a dream due to the transition and the fact that I could see through my closed eyelids. The nudging for me is hard to describe but is kind of a similar action/feeling to the way a little kid might wish really hard for something(or thinking really hard), with their eyes closed using similar muscles used when squinting but using the whole front of the head around the eyes...but not too hard of course.

Maybe wait for confirmation from someone else before trying in case I am leading you away from the techniques you should be using. Anyone else use something similar?

Originally Posted by fogelbise

I can't remember where I got the idea from but what do you think about nudging on the vibrations once they start? After a few tries where I nudged too hard and woke myself up, I feel like I have gotten pretty good at nudging on the vibrations whenever I notice them. The last two times I found myself being able to see through my closed eyelids and entered (something similar to?) a false awakening where I am in my room but knew it was a dream due to the transition and the fact that I could see through my closed eyelids. The nudging for me is hard to describe but is kind of a similar action/feeling to the way a little kid might wish really hard for something(or thinking really hard), with their eyes closed using similar muscles used when squinting but using the whole front of the head around the eyes...but not too hard of course.

Maybe wait for confirmation from someone else before trying in case I am leading you away from the techniques you should be using. Anyone else use something similar?

I would suggest trying this coming out of a dream first (DEILD). As soon as you feel yourself waking up, try your technique; if you get vibrations, that is; otherwise try something similar. When I was a beginner this was easiest, yet I was not able to do this on a cold WILD until I had a feel for it and some experience. I alter different methods depending on the situation; for example if I hear sounds I concentrate on them and amplify them. Other times I just focus on the space between my eyebrows until I feel my dream body, and this works extremely well, especially if I had inadvertently opened my eyes or sat up beforehand. Timing is of course the issue here, and it is easier to get the timing if you are half asleep already. I have never tried to control vibrations, as mine are usually very violent and brief to start with; but I have read of others using this method to exit and to maintain.

Keep it simple as Sivason says, but if you have some experience toying with DEILD or a lot of experience with concentration meditation (highly recommended), you will have some measure of control on a regular WILD, but you will know this to be the case when the opportunity presents itself (having felt it before).

You can try and play with the HH, as well as vibrations. I'm not sure it's neccessery to do for purpose of entering lucid dream, though. For that, perhaps best thing to do is observe them passively. But if you are an experienced LDer and you feel like playing and exploring, then why not?

I have also heard that you can learn to intensify vibrations, make them spread, and even direct them to different parts of your body. I have tried it a few times, each time without success. But then one day, I was able to make them much stronger and move them as energy ball. I felt these vibrations and energy rolling in my legs and I was able to make them stronger in left knee, then in right knee. While I was doing this, I either saw, or imagined blue energy field around me with lighning like energy discharges. It was exhilarating.

Maybe you could check out sivason's dream yoga class. He has a lesson in there with directing energy through your body. Dream Yoga

I realized the difference between when I wasn't able to do this and when I was. Every time I tried unsuccesfully, I was still too awake.

I used to frequently enter LD, when during WILDing I suddenly realized I can see my room. I wouldn't really call it false awakening, and it didn't feel like it either. To me, false awakening means that it starts as a regular dream in which I realize I'm dreaming. But this was, as you say, without loss of consciousness. Those were pretty hard to catch, because there is no indication that you are in a dream already, since I didn't realize that my eyes are closed, yet I see my room. For this I used mantra "when i see my room, I get up". This helped me to remember.

I want to comment on JoannaB's question. If you are in the first sleep stage you can and will move your body if you are not careful. Use your insticts here. If you feel partially awake, do not try opening your eyes. I would say if you can feel your body in the standard sense, you best stay fairly still. You should be feeling about 30% awareness of body in nREM1 and that is just too much to risk it. When you feel like you are floating in space and only have a vauge preseption of body, then you may try these types of transition.
What I like to do instea is what Gab mentions about moving a dream version of your hand. You will need to feel the differnece while awake. You can imagine clearly enough to feel as if you have moved yourhand, while never having sent the needed signals to initiate actual physical movement. If you find, in WILD, that you can feel a limb move, you are starting to form a dream body. If you sense that a real body part is trying to move, then back off and allow your depth of sleep to increase.
Simply having begun the formation of a dream body, may not result in a full LD. It is at this point where Ophelia means to open your eyes (dream eyes) and Gab talks about rolling out of bed. One of my favorites is climbing a ladder in my mind. Not only until I can feel as if I am actually climbing up a ladder (visualize each step) but until something random inserts itself. I may be climbing along and then feel as if the ladder is changing angle or that a platform is in my way. That means I now have a dream body and my mind is creating dream based sensations. At this point I may try to look around and start my dream.
Unfortuanatly it is an art, and each of you will likely have to play around, and fail a few times to understand what we are talking about. it is not hard, but it is hard to explain.


EDIT: Please note, as I have said before, there are two different basic WILD approaches. In one method you are only trying to bring some awareness into sleep, in the other you are doing thing to initiate dreams after you have fallen asleep.
I think all this stuff about opening your eyes, moving your hands, climbing and so on belong to the second type. Please start with simply following Gab's basic outline, in which a dream should form around you. You should have little question when a dream has formed. If you need more detailed help, then go to sageous' class, and after reading all the material, truely spend some time working on that form.
gab and Sageous are providing a streamlined easy to use form. Sageous does not add bells and whistles. The style will work. If you worry about trying more advanced forms, before successfully using a standard form, it will just hold you back. More experienced dreamers may be using visualization based tricks to enhance their success, but at first please just stick with Gab's straight forward outline, or take Sageous' class. ie: Do not bother with the diving board, until you learn to swim. Best of luck, Sivason

I dont get it...Wake induced?
Something i just dont understand from this tutorial or any others i've read:

-I go to sleep at midnight
-I set an alarm for 4:30
*Do i get up for half an hour? wake up a lot and then return to bed at 5:00?
*Do i just turn off the alarm?
-Then for the actual WILD part am I falling asleep like usual or is it different? I know i should be thinking about dreaming in my head, almost forming a dream myself but if i do that i never actually fall asleep into the dream, i just stay awake thinking about that until i fall asleep and wake up hours later with no signs of lucidity

Thanks

Originally Posted by bbob619

I dont get it...Wake induced?
Something i just dont understand from this tutorial or any others i've read:

-I go to sleep at midnight
-I set an alarm for 4:30
*Do i get up for half an hour? wake up a lot and then return to bed at 5:00?
*Do i just turn off the alarm?
-Then for the actual WILD part am I falling asleep like usual or is it different? I know i should be thinking about dreaming in my head, almost forming a dream myself but if i do that i never actually fall asleep into the dream, i just stay awake thinking about that until i fall asleep and wake up hours later with no signs of lucidity

Thanks

Unfortunately it is an art. In being an art it is not easy to learn. It is easy enough to do, after you have a feel for it and have an understanding for new and foreign ideas. How much you wake yourself up, is going to depend on experience. Some people need to wake up a bit, or they plummet right back into normal sleep, while others can never fall back to any form of sleep if they interrupt their sleep too much. Again, it is an art, not a science.
You must understand that you are attempting to reach a new altered state of awareness. It is weird and new to beginners. By altered state, I mean maintaining some conscious awareness of the mind, while allowing your body to fall asleep. You are trying to fall asleep. Never forget that, you must let your body sleep (perhaps not at advanced levels, but at first) AND you must not loose consciousness.
I wish I could tell you in a couple sentences how to do this, but it is a complex idea. Sageous has taken the time to run an entire class devoted to helping you get your first few WILDs, so check it out. The super brief basic idea is that you need to give your mind something limited to stay aware of, such as repeating a phrase. I use the phrase "Thank You." I repeat "Thank You" (and other things) in my head over and over. If you fail to keep doing this you know you are failing to maintain awareness, and just resume doing it if you notice. This reduces mental noise and distractions that would keep you laying awake. You should never think detailed waking thoughts about work and school or you will not sleep. Mean while you must learn to relax the body and infact stop paying it any awareness. See, complicated...
With that in mind Gab's tutorial is an outline of HOW it is done, and Sageous' class is there to help you with the thought process and mind set.
Good luck, hope that clears it up a tiny bit.

Originally Posted by sivason

Unfortunately it is an art. In being an art it is not easy to learn. It is easy enough to do, after you have a feel for it and have an understanding for new and foreign ideas. How much you wake yourself up, is going to depend on experience. Some people need to wake up a bit, or they plummet right back into normal sleep, while others can never fall back to any form of sleep if they interrupt their sleep too much. Again, it is an art, not a science.
You must understand that you are attempting to reach a new altered state of awareness. It is weird and new to beginners. By altered state, I mean maintaining some conscious awareness of the mind, while allowing your body to fall asleep. You are trying to fall asleep. Never forget that, you must let your body sleep (perhaps not at advanced levels, but at first) AND you must not loose consciousness.
I wish I could tell you in a couple sentences how to do this, but it is a complex idea. Sageous has taken the time to run an entire class devoted to helping you get your first few WILDs, so check it out. The super brief basic idea is that you need to give your mind something limited to stay aware of, such as repeating a phrase. I use the phrase "Thank You." I repeat "Thank You" (and other things) in my head over and over. If you fail to keep doing this you know you are failing to maintain awareness, and just resume doing it if you notice. This reduces mental noise and distractions that would keep you laying awake. You should never think detailed waking thoughts about work and school or you will not sleep. Mean while you must learn to relax the body and infact stop paying it any awareness. See, complicated...
With that in mind Gab's tutorial is an outline of HOW it is done, and Sageous' class is there to help you with the thought process and mind set.
Good luck, hope that clears it up a tiny bit.

This is one of the best explanations of why WILD so tricky that I've come across in a month of doing LD research, thanks!

After a few attempts, I can attest to the "balancing on the edge of a blade" it takes to successfully WILD. I always so far fall back onto the side of wakefulness once I (think) I start getting close. Practicing keeping your balance until you make it into the dream is what it's all about. You must learn about yourself and how you fall asleep when you do this.

^^ It's actually "wake initiated," which simply means that you move from wake to dream without ever losing consciousness, as opposed to DILD's "dream initiated," where the awareness begins during the dream, after you've lost consciousness.

As for the rest, I think my DVA WILD class ought to answer most of your questions, as it discusses things like timing and WBTB; you might want to give it a look.

Thanks for the help guys, I started reading those tutorials and followed some of Sageous' classees. Very helpful! Hopefully i'll hit my first lucid dream some time soon!

I need help doing a wild. I would get up six hours later, stay up with tv on, go to sleep, experience sleep paralysis, hear noise(no hypnogic imagery) then i wake up pissed and frustrated. The next attempt, right when the noise was gone and I experienced sleep paralysis, i opened my eyes. This is the first time i opened my eyes because I was scared i would see ghost when i wake up. Instead i opened them slowly and I saw my room in a blurry-like matter with a slight hole in my bed. Was I in a dream, if so why was I in my room? If i succeeded, how do i know when to open my eyes just in case i wake up in paralysis?

Originally Posted by heat54

I need help doing a wild. I would get up six hours later, stay up with tv on, go to sleep, experience sleep paralysis, hear noise(no hypnogic imagery) then i wake up pissed and frustrated. The next attempt, right when the noise was gone and I experienced sleep paralysis, i opened my eyes. This is the first time i opened my eyes because I was scared i would see ghost when i wake up. Instead i opened them slowly and I saw my room in a blurry-like matter with a slight hole in my bed. Was I in a dream, if so why was I in my room? If i succeeded, how do i know when to open my eyes just in case i wake up in paralysis?

Hi,

I don't suggest opening your eyes to check stuff.
It might cost you your wild attempt if you open them while being still in your own bed and not in dream world
If you want to check whether your dreaming or not you can try some 'Dream Control' stuff or Imagination/Visualization
I"d suggest to just wait till you appear in dream scene.

That's what i do
I'm just using anchor to keep up consciousness while waiting for Dream World to start

And anyways, everynight before you enter just a normal dream you don't make entrance yourself (Since you are unconscious still.)
Body does it for you, and after it put you into the dream you regain consciousness, so why not let body do the job

Yea I'm a newbie still haven't had my first LD (will have one soon though). This tutorial has helped me greatly, one I've known this site for 2 days and it has helped me so much, and two Before I knew this site I kept and kept on looking for wild tutorials cause all the others didn't explain enough or they are confusing, but this perfectly explains it the see I always tried the wild as soon as I'm going to sleep now I will try later but even though I tried it at as soon as go to sleep I have made some insights.
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So we don't need SP to enter WILD or Is it not important?
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Wait so every time I was attempting WILD I have experienced the feeling of it would be hard to move and it is like that for a long time so after a while I decided to stop the attempt I easily move and by the word sivason on another forum he said " I sometimes feel as if moving would be hard but that is a natural feeling because my body is asleep." Is this true?

Originally Posted by ARandomViewer

So we don't need SP to enter WILD or Is it not important?
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Wait so every time I was attempting WILD I have experienced the feeling of it would be hard to move and it is like that for a long time so after a while I decided to stop the attempt I easily move and by the word sivason on another forum he said " I sometimes feel as if moving would be hard but that is a natural feeling because my body is asleep." Is this true?

S.P. is really unrelated. Give this thread a read, http://www.dreamviews.com/wake-initi...explained.html

As far as your question about sleeping, I suppose only you will be able to decide if you are consciously experiencing sleep. I am sure there are many layers to the process of relaxing the body all the way up to true sleep. If I do this process and end up asleep, but aware I feel almost like I am on narcotics. I retain less than about 20% of my bodily awareness. I can indeed sense my hands, feet and so on, I can move them if need be, but with a need to exert my will. Just experiment and learn to relax more and more.

Ok that sounds about it think. I've read the SP Explained pretty good read. And on the WILD tutorial or another page (I'm to lazy to go back and read) you or someone else said WILD is basically like sleep than maintaining awareness, Then I have something I want to try just try to go to sleep for a while, Then initiate WILD cause I would already be close to being asleep and that would lessen the time (would lessen the time for me at least cause I go to sleep faster while just purely trying to sleep) should I try this or do you think it would mess up the WILD.

yesterday i woke up in the middle of the night, and trying a WBTB, or something like, open the dream views website on my android and start to read and think about, and achieve some tutorials...i've felt a coolest visualization, and a easy experience to see throught my imagination. at some point i turn to the otherside of bed, and start sleeping normally, and i remember having some vibrations, like if im being stoned, or just falling i dont know, but i remembered today that in the beggining of the dream ( i think) i was in other room, on the couch, and i was practicing the WILD technique on the same position that i was in my bed. But i just keep it if it was waking life...have to try a nap tomorrow, it feels better to me to attempt WILD.

Originally Posted by Vicarious

yesterday i woke up in the middle of the night, and trying a WBTB, or something like, open the dream views website on my android and start to read and think about, and achieve some tutorials...i've felt a coolest visualization, and a easy experience to see throught my imagination. at some point i turn to the otherside of bed, and start sleeping normally, and i remember having some vibrations, like if im being stoned, or just falling i dont know, but i remembered today that in the beggining of the dream ( i think) i was in other room, on the couch, and i was practicing the WILD technique on the same position that i was in my bed. But i just keep it if it was waking life...have to try a nap tomorrow, it feels better to me to attempt WILD.

That's great that you had a dream about practicing for a WILD! That means that your mind is listening to what you do and what you want to happen. Keep reading and practicing. Good luck

Originally Posted by gab

That's great that you had a dream about practicing for a WILD! That means that your mind is listening to what you do and what you want to happen. Keep reading and practicing. Good luck

Thanks! im gonna try now a nap, and try WILD. its great for hypnagogia!

Originally Posted by Vicarious

Thanks! im gonna try now a nap, and try WILD. its great for hypnagogia!

Let us know how it goes. But even if you don't get HH, as you don't always do, you can still get a LD. Just pay attention to see if you get that "dreamy" feeling. And do motionless RCs if you think you could be dreaming. The transition could be so smooth, that you will never notice.

Try to see if you can see your hands. Don't use muscles to move them, just your intent. If you move your dream hands, you know you are dreaming and you can get up from the sofa.

Originally Posted by gab

Let us know how it goes. But even if you don't get HH, as you don't always do, you can still get a LD. Just pay attention to see if you get that "dreamy" feeling. And do motionless RCs if you think you could be dreaming. The transition could be so smooth, that you will never notice.

Try to see if you can see your hands. Don't use muscles to move them, just your intent. If you move your dream hands, you know you are dreaming and you can get up from the sofa.

This time maybe i hadnt that excitement, because i was just one hour on my nap, and then i just quit. The Last time i did it, i felt more nice Hypnagogic episodes...this time i just felt, the sensation of falling in the floor of my kitchen, but i scare the crap out of me, and i just felt in the real world again. this last two days i'vent been in the lucid dream thoughs so much...i spend two days without doing RC's and thinking about that, and in fact, my last 2 nights i had weak dreams...with a poor recall that its not the usual on me (even before i get into the LD stuff and thoughts). and what you mean by "HH" ?

Excellent tutorial. Answered nearly all of my questions.

Last night I woke myself up around 5 hours after I'd gone to sleep, and tryed to WILD. Was trying to do it on my back which isnt my normal sleeping position so it wasnt very comfortable. Plus the swallowing got in my way a little bit. I got into the hypnagogic state, but I didn't feel like sleeep paralysis had actually kicked in yet. I only lost feeling in my hands and in my legs. I read somewhere tbat you're supposed to lose feeling everywhere except for your head. Also, the hypnagogic state is when you start seeing and hearing strange things, right?

Gonna attempt again tonight. Might be succesful as a result of this tutorial.

-To The newbies of Lucid dreaming-
WILD is not as difficult as it sounds. Just look at it in a basic way; Wake up after 4-6 hours, stay up anywhere between 45 minutes and 1 hour, and go back to sleep whilst imagining a landscape/place.

This is a very great, and useful tutorial, it is just quite detailed. I'm not saying that's a bad thing, i'm just saying it makes things seem a lot more difficult than they actually are.

Everyone is different, but this is probably the most given up on technique out there. That is why i posted this.

Originally Posted by Tradl3s

-To The newbies of Lucid dreaming-
WILD is not as difficult as it sounds. Just look at it in a basic way; Wake up after 4-6 hours, stay up anywhere between 45 minutes and 1 hour, and go back to sleep whilst imagining a landscape/place.

This is a very great, and useful tutorial, it is just quite detailed. I'm not saying that's a bad thing, i'm just saying it makes things seem a lot more difficult than they actually are.

Everyone is different, but this is probably the most given up on technique out there. That is why i posted this.

Thanks for your input. I however, would call Gab's excellent tutorial bare bones and streamlined. Has it been awhile sinse you updated your LD count? If you have found WILD so easy, I assume you must have done a lot of them.